Talk:Étude Op. 10, No. 3 (Chopin)

Legato?

The sheet music on the info box shows legato, but my edition shows legatissimo. Also, where would à son ami Franz Liszt (the dedication? how does this translate exactly) go on the info box. Asmeurer (talk ♬ contribs) 17:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

It means "to his friend Franz Liszt" (Chopin is using the third person in reference to himself). JackofOz 06:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I base it off the Alfred edition, which uses the 1st German edition. They also use the modern pedal style, as noted in some other image.

Because the infobox isn't really one, I'd just add an extra row for it. I didn't think it was worth mentioning since all of Opus 25 is dedicated to that woman, and it would be needlessly repetitive to add that every time. ALTON .ıl 04:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Mine is also an Alfred edition, edited by Willard A. Palmer (the same as yours?). All edits other than the original are in grey in my edition, and the Legatissimo is not. I didn't realize that the entire opus is dedicated to the same person. Asmeurer (talk ♬ contribs) 04:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it should be the same book. This is a scan of my edition, which is from the same person and has a cover like this only with the River Seine picture. The footnotes indicate the tempo was originally Vivace, and that appoggiaturas should be played on the beat.

Additionally, under the heading Twelve Etudes (for Op. 25), the words to Madame the Countess d'Agoult are printed, so I assume the whole set is dedicated.

Also, I would like help regarding the infobox situation. I think it must be standardized somehow, and made into a bona fide template. ALTON .ıl 06:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think yours is just Etudes, no? My book is selected favorites and looks similar to yours except it has a painting of Chopin on the front. Mine also has a footnote about vivace, and that it was changed to Lento by Chopin. The editions are definitely different, though, seeing the scan. I wonder which tempo is correct. My book is ©1993. Asmeurer (talk ♬ contribs) 22:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ha, yes. Mine was published a year earlier, so we'll go with legatissimo. Now what about tempo? ALTON .ıl 22:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think I meant which of legatissimo or legato was correct. At any rate, mine says "Lento, ma non troppo" and "M.M.♪=100" for tempo. These are not grayed out. BTW, the ISBN number of my book is ISBN 0-7390-2323-3, for verifiability. Good luck with the infoboxes, I have a limited knowledge of Wikicode. The Chopin pieces seem to be the main ones to have them; even such popular pieces as Beethoven's ninth symphony don't have any sort of infobox. Unlike the controversial infoboxes for composers, I think ones for compositions are a good idea, though they should indeed by unified into a template. Asmeurer (talk ♬ contribs) 23:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is the distinction between the former and latter? To me, seeing either means play, connecting the notes - how can you play more smoothly? In any case, at measure 62, when it returns to the first theme, it does say legatissimo in my book. My tempo's the same. I'll work on the template later, or solicit someone more skilled in that arena to do it. ALTON .ıl 23:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, legatissimo means to play particularly smooth, even smoother than legato. Asmeurer (talk ♬ contribs) 02:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sure its to the eternal horror of all my future audiences that I've asked that question, but now I'm enlightened. Thanks ALTON .ıl 06:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fullmetal Alchemist

Please stop blanking FMA from the 'in culture' section. If you wish to shorten it, do so. I don't see any reason to remove it completely as it's no less relevent than anything else entered there. --Cloak' 13:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Dates

When was it composed? Unless I'm having a blind spot, I see no reference, and this would be useful basic info. 86.16.173.153 (talk) 22:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Dubious paragraph

I removed the last paragraph from the "Significance" section. Sentence by sentence analysis:

• Chopin originally gave his Op. 10 No. 3 Etude the tempo Vivace, later adding ma non-troppo.

True, but discussed elsewhere in the article.

• It is also relevant to observe that this etude is in ²
  ₄ time and not ⁴
  ₄, although it is generally performed as a very slow ⁴
  ₈ piece.

Again, this is true, but not really pertinent. The "generally performed" probably refers to various popularisations and amateur(ish) renderings.

• The visual impact of the score alone strongly suggests that a languid tempo is incorrect.

This just makes no sense.

• There is also no doppio movimento following the opening section, which results in an erroneous drastic slowing down for the reentry of the opening section.

This is inscrutable. I recall some previous discussion elsewhere in which it became clear that the editor had no idea what doppio movimento means; perhaps a widespread confusion.

• These are unwritten by Chopin, according to his autograph manuscript and other original source materials.

True, but again discussed elsewhere.

If anyone thinks that part of this is needed in the article, please say, and discuss the best place to put it. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)