Portal talk:Pornography/Archive 1

Why?

Ok, so why is it that the pornography article has "tasteful" pictures of greek pottery and the porn portal has pictures of half-naked girls? Dunc|☺ 8 July 2005 18:58 (UTC)

Probably because the "featured article" that the photo is attached to is about half-naked girls? --Carnildo 8 July 2005 21:56 (UTC)

This portal needs to be renamed and refocused to "Hot babes". lots of issues | leave me a message 19:40, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Issue: How is is that we have an article on the AVN awards, but not on AVN itself? --Vaergoth 08:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Is this thing dead, or what? Do we have any editors taking this on as a project? --Vaergoth 05:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I have recently updated the Portal over the past few days. Hope this makes it look a bit more up to date. Arundhati lejeune 14:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Things you can do gripe

In this box is the following suggestion:

Expand the various articles on the works of the Marquis de Sade.

The only problem with this is that to do a decent job one must read his works. (I admit that I have, & you'd have to pay me to read them again: as Albert Camus once noted, he is boring.) -- llywrch 00:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe

Do you think the Playboy cover featuring Marilyn is the most relevant one to be posted in this portal? -- Svest 18:43, 14 October 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up™

The Marquis de Sade

(I'll finish this tommorow 22-Oct 10pm) I have a considerable list of additions which could enhance the pages on de Sade and his works. I will be able to reference information to a satisfactory degree, although I will have to direct readers to untranslated letters which have been made available through very limited publication. I would ask all interested persons to comment on the relevance or accuracy of my abbreviated account. More exact dates will be provided, I have curtailed them for brevity.

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I consider there to be only two major errors in the article "The Marquis de Sade"

• The Marseilles Affair of 1772 resulted in a conviction for poisoning which was later overturned, the symptoms of the prostitutes involved were consistent with an overdose of cantharides (Spanish Fly). In 1778 the erroneous verdict was annuled by the Parlement of Aix, who recognised criminal proceedings were defective, with "fundamental illegalities". The article wrongly states he poisoned partygoers with belladonna. This version of events arose from a gossip column.
• De Sade's body was exhumed (along with others) not for "dubious scientific reasons" as the article states. This reference is derived from the actions of Dr. L.J. Ramon, who attended Sade on his deathbed and took the opportunity provided by his exhumation to examine the skull phrenologically.

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Elaborations for "The Marquis de Sade"

Early Life

• The muddling of Sade's intended and actual christian names and circumstances of his christening.
• Details of his father's career and subsequent discrediting.
• His early life in the Condé palace (1740-1744).
• His mother's social position and ambitions for Sade.
• His early relationship with his (often absent) parents and its consequences for the development of his mentalility and sexuality.
• His fistfight with the young Prince de Condé and his resultant removal to be brought up by his grandmother in Languedoc (1774).
• His being removed due his grandmother's inability to cope with the difficult child he was to his uncle's (The Abbé de Sade) chateau at Saumane (1744-1750).
• Life at Saumane and the relationships he developed (with Mme. de St-Germain and his tutor, Amblet).
• The impact of the fortified chateau and Sade's circumstances there on the setting of his later works (especially Les Cent Vingt Journeés de Sodome).
• His education at the Jesuit Collège Louis-Le-Grand and circumstances, including the possible effect of the academy on his later paranoia and (1750-1754).
• Sade's parents' separation.

Military Career

(A subtitle I am proposing)

• Enrollment in the Chevaux-légers at Versailles (1754).
• Promotion to The King's Foot Guard (1755).
• Involvement in the Seven Years War (1755-1763).
• Sade's record of the military movements of his regiment.
• His invovement with prostitutes and camp life and his relationship with his superiors.
• Promotion to the Burgundinian Cavalry (an elite regiment - 1759).
• His relationship with his father and family

Marriage

(To replace "Scandal and Imprisonment").

• Sade's father's attempts to marry off his son (from 1759).
• Sade's relationship with Laure de Lauris (1763).
• The marriage contract between Sade's father and the Montreuil family and its financial implications (1763).
• Description of Sade's wife - Renée-Pélagie Cordier de Montreuil.
• The social status of the Montreuil family (noblesse du robe).
• Conflict between Sade and his father over financial details of the marriage agreement.

The Testard Affair

(I am proposing this and the following subtitles)

• Sade leaves the Montreuil's Normandy chateau of Echauffour ostensibly to solicit a military post at Court (1763)
• Sade engages a procuress Du Rameau and is provided with Jeanne Testard, a fan-maker for 24 livres
• Details of the events of the evening
• Testard's deposition and the subsequent surveillance carried out by Inspector Marais
• Sade's arrest and two-week imprisonment at Vincennes, followed by house arrest at Echauffour
• Details of the actions of Sade's family in connection with his release
• Renée's giving birth to a stillborn infant (1764)
• Rescinding of house arrest order (1764)
• Sade's activities with prostitutes and actress-courtesans ie. Mlle. Colet, Mlle. C----- (unknown), Mlle. Beauvoisin.
• His trip to Provence with Beauvoisin (1765)
• The financial agreement signed between Beauvoisin and Sade
• Sade's trip to Echauffour to repair relationships with the Montreuils
• Beauvoisin's sickness and the cooling of their romance
• The commission for the construction of a private theatre at La Coste (1765)
• Sade's involvement with Mlle. Roy and prostitutes in 1766
• The death of Sade's father and the reconciliation between Sade and Mme. de Montreuil(1767)
• Sade's titles(then complete following his father's death) ie. Lieutenant General of Bresse, Bugey, Valromy and Gex, The Comte de Mazan, The Marquis de Sade.
• Sade's estates ie. Mazan, La Coste etc.
• The birth of Sade's first son Louis-Maris (1767)

The Arceuil Affair

• Sade's impression on the villagers of Arceuil where he had rented a petite maison.
• Details of prostitutes hired for Easter debauch, including Sade's hiring of Rose Keller. (1768)
• Details regarding Sade's treatment of Keller and her subsequent escape.
• Keller's deposition and the opening of a criminal investigation.
• The conflicting doctor's report and Keller's testimony.
• Mme. de Montreuil's payment of a settlement 0f 2400 livres to Keller and the withdrawal of her charges.
• The public scandal created by the affair.
• Sade's mother's intervention to protect the family name and her circumstances.
• The King's arrest order and Sade's subsequent incarceration in Saumur.
• The King's lettre d'abolition which ended court proceedings and sent Sade into exile at La Coste (his wife remained in Paris).
• Sade's activities during exile and his plays.
• His return to Paris (1769) for haemorrhoid treatment.
• The birth of Sade's second son, Donatien-Claude-Armand. (1769)
• Sade's trip to Holland and his notes regarding the trip

(1769).

• Sade's return to Paris and his presumed good behaviour (there is a lack of information regarding the period 1769-1771).
• Sade's successful solicitation for the post of mestre de camp of the cavalry
• The birth of Sade's last child, a daughter Madeleine-Laure
• Sade's financial crisis of 1771.

The Affair with Anne-Prospère de Launay

The Marseilles Affair

The Voyage D'Italie

Incarceration in Vincennes

Incarceration in The Bastille

The French Revolution

Incarceration at Charenton

Death

Literary Works

(This and the following subtitles are extant currently; I think this section would be best arranged as a list, similar to that under the subheading "films", allowing the cataloguing of the various editions of Justine and Juliette.

Appraisal

(only a few comments would be added - the current text would be maintained. I would ask others to aid me in demonstrating the significance, diversity and radicalism of Sade's canon)

• A note regarding the unusual number of female writers who have attempted to elucidate both Sade's life and the significance of his works ie. Laborde, de Beauvoir, Carter, Crosland, Le Brun , du Plessix-Gray.
• A note regarding Les Cent Vingt Journées de Sodome as a work attempting to catalogue "the perversions" preceding Richard Von Krafft-Ebbing by a century (mentioned in the page for Les Cent Vingt Journées)

Plays

(no alterations - although it would be plesant to see a page for "Madame de Sade" - a play which I, having not seen it, could not describe. I have read that Mishima was intrigued by Renée as a negative feminist role model)

Films

(no alterations)

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I have read (carefully) Juliette, Les Cent Vingt Journées de Sodome, Ernestine, Eugénie et Franval and several minor works. Justine has, unfortunately, fallen out of my hands. I would like to add to the page on Les Cent Vingt Journées a more complete description of characters, a list of errors in the numbering and construction of the text and a more complete publishing history.

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what is up with chiled porno i mean it is rong. end of story Carl Recsei, 12:44, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed....also, please sign posts on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~) so that other editors may know who signed. Thanks! Alex43223 ^{Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C} 09:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)