Category talk:Nuclide templates

Atomic number to element or symbol

Why not templates in this direction? --JWB (talk) 00:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Why would you need that? It's easiest to remember and recognise an element by it's name than by it's number of protons. But should you want to create such a template, it would not be very hard to do. SkyLined (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

We build the table of nuclides with templates. See Category:Isotope tables templates. --JWB (talk) 22:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

How about this: Template:ElementForProtons and Template:SymbolForProtons ? SkyLined (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, here's an example of a nuclide table constructed using that template, take a look at the code. --JWB (talk) 09:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice!
-- SkyLined (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Naming overhaul

I'd like to adjust the naming scheme to make it more compliant with other wiki pages and naming schemes. Here's what I'd like to suggest:

Current name	New name suggestion
Category:Nuclide templates	Template:Nuclide/doc (partial move)
User:SkyLined/List of nuclei	Template:Nuclide/list
Template:Element	Template:Nuclide/element
Template:SimpleNuclide	Template:Nuclide/simple
Template:Nuclide	Template:Nuclide
Template:ComplexNuclide	Template:Nuclide/complex
Template:SymbolForElement	Template:Nuclide/EtoS
Template:ProtonsForElement	Template:Nuclide/EtoP
Template:NeutronsForElement	Template:Nuclide/EToN
Template:LinkForElement	Template:Nuclide/EtoL
Template:SymbolForProtons	Template:Nuclide/PtoS
Template:ElementForProtons	Template:Nuclide/PtoE

-- SkyLined (talk) 09:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Smaller font size for sub- and superscripts

Sometimes I find it awkward to read particles when sub- and superscripts are the same size as the symbol, especially in running text or if several particles are mentioned closely together.

• Example of particle using {{PhysicsParticle}}: ^99m
  TcO
  ₄

It should look like this: ^99mTcO₄

• {{PhysicsParticle}} plus some other tags: [^99m
  TcO
  ₄]⁻

It should look like this: [^99mTcO₄]⁻

Can we reduce the font size of sub- and superscripts in {{SimpleNuclide}}, {{Nuclide}}, {{ComplexNuclide}}, and {{PhysicsParticle}}, or have an option for smaller font size? --Eddi (Talk) 01:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Eddi,

It is wikipedia policy to have a unified style across pages. This template tries to follow that styleguide with regard to size of super/sub script. If you want have the size changed, you'll need to try to get the styleguide changed first.

Also, what I see is {{PhysicsParticle}} using the correct sizes: the super script "99m" and sub script "4" are slightly smaller than the symbol. The example of what you're suggesting looks too small to me and is hard to read. Could you upload a screengrab somewhere, so we can all see exactly what you're seeing? Also, if you could let us know what version of which browser you're using and what you have your font size set to in that browser (small, medium, large, etc...) that would be helpful in reproducing any issues.

    — SkyLined {^talk_contribs 22:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

File:Supersubscript fontsize 1.png

See attached screenshot. I added some plain text for reference and I see that there's a difference, although very slight. The <sup> and <sub> tags reduce the font size a bit, and {{PhysicsParticle}} reduces it a bit more. I use Firefox 3.0 on Linux kernel 2.6.24.17. You may be right that my settings disturb things, because my screen has rather small pixels and I have set the browser's default font size to 20. But it's no big deal, I can read the particles all right. --Eddi (Talk) 13:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

SkyLined's view of the font

I assume this means you're withdrawing your request? I can see how having the 'sub/sup' parts slightly smaller would make it easier to distinguish them from the 'normal' parts, but it would also make them harder to read.     — SkyLined {^talk_contribs 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I've added what I see in IE7 on Windows with the default font size - which is what most people will see.     — SkyLined {^talk_contribs 15:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for replying late, but I guess the world stands...

I didn't withdraw my request, if that would be an obstacle to improving things. I just meant I was able to read things, with some difficulty. In principle your screenshot is the same as mine. And the two of us using different browsers shouldn't be a factor. The problem isn't the size of pixels but the difference in size between normal text and special text. If the template doesn't distinguish more between normal text and special text, I think it should be changed. Eddi (Talk) 02:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Hydrogen 1

I'm following (or at least I think I am) what's being done in the examples and I can't seem to get it right.

I want ¹H, so I'm writing {{Nuclide|hydrogen|1}}, however that yieds ¹
₁H
(₁H). What am I doing wrong here?Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 04:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

You'll want to use {{SimpleNuclide|hydrogen}}: ¹
H
. There are different templates for different layouts, but you use different arguments for different isotopes. If you want to improve the documentation to make this clear to others, please do.

    — SkyLined {^talk_contribs 15:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguous nuclides

I would like to write a nuclear equation with an ambiguous nuclide X. Does anyone know how this can be done? It doesn't look like it's one of the nuclides available. ScienceApologist (talk) 15:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done. I added the element "Element" with an associated symbol "X" to Template:SymbolForElement. ScienceApologist (talk) 15:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

TODO

I removed {{Template category |description=Templates for displaying nuclide and element symbols }} from the page because it gets included verbatim into the templates in this category and templates should not get added to the "

Wikipedia template categories" category. I more permanent solution is to create a "/doc" sub page with the documentation, put the "template category" stuff back in the category, and include the "/doc" page in the templates, rather than the cateogry page itself.     — SkyLined (talk) 10:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Copying

I have been asked how to copy these templates to other language versions of Wikipedia. I'm not entirely sure, as I've never done this myself, but I can make a guess, which I'll write down below. Please reply if you have anything to add or comment.

1. You'll need to learn the basics of coding templates if you have not already. Then you go to the template you want to copy and edit it. You will also see a list of "transcluded templates", which are templates used by that template. You will need to create a copy of those transcluded templates on your site too. Each transcluded template may itself have transcluded templates, etc... you will have to make a list of all of them and copy each one to the Danish Wikipedia for the templates to work. Some may already have been copied, in which case there should be a reference in the template to the other language version.
2. Once you have a list of all the templates involved, you can copy each template by creating a new template in the other Wikipedia and copy+paste the contents from the English template. I'm assuming you'll want to change the names of the templates to Danish, so you'll need to edit the template code to change the names of transcluded templates in the Danish version.
3. Additionally, there are a few test pages that you may want to copy, such as User:SkyLined/List_of_nuclei. These should all be referenced in the templates, so you will notice them while you're copying the code or checking the results. You'll probably want to copy these as well.
4. Finally, you'll want to create cross-references between the other language and English versions and monitor the English version for changes and fixes that you may want to port. Also, if you see somebody improving the other language version of the template, please consider copying the improvement to the English version as well.

    — SkyLined (talk) 21:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)