Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Dragon Ball

Question

Resently I was told that sources from Daizenshuu EX and Kanzentai were consitered reliable. And another stating that they weren't. So what the verdict? Sarujo (talk) 19:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Far as I'm concerned, they're reliable references. Albeit I seem to recall Collectonian saying otherwise. Didn't you ask her something like this before? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that websites like these are no better than weblogs. I don't ever remember daizez.com ever having any really good new information.--FUNKAMATIC ~talk 16:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

We Gotta Power

I just resently ran across page for the We Gotta Power single showing that it charted on Oricon. Would that be enough to bring it back? Sarujo (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Is this a song from the anime or something?--FUNKAMATIC ~talk 16:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the second opening theme. Sarujo (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Disagreement

Is disagreeing with this work groups descisions and fighting them all the way grounds for being banned? PopiethePopester (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

You mean deliberately ignoring consensus and attempting to do what you want anyway? Yes. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Work Group Articles

Why are there a whole bunch of Dragon Ball articles that aren't listed as a part of this work group? --FUNKAMATIC ~talk 16:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Like what? Lots of DB articles have been merged, and in general, it's not necessary to tag the redirects as belonging to the DB workgroup - the banner doesn't even support such tagging. If there are DB articles that haven't been tagged as belonging to the work group, you can tag them yourself by setting |dragon-ball-work-group=yes 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 22:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed changes: Dragon Ball

Hi it is I DBZROCKS, henceforth returning from my extended wikibreak. But my sudden return is not the reason I have written this section. I would like to propose (quite) a few changes to the Dragon Ball articles. These changes may not be well recieved. However, these changes are not ment to upset. These changes are ment to allow the Dragon Ball articles to become good, and eventually featured articles. A lot of things may have to be removed, or edited, but those things can be transfered to the Dragon ball wiki, so if that is your problem, that you can simply put it there. Again these changes are only meant to help, and not hurt and I truly hope that they will be recieved as such.

1. Naming. We need to go back to using the original names. Dub fans, I know you love your names, but the thing is, they are not the original names. Many of them completely get rid of the pun that they were supposed to have. For example Kuririn means chestnut, but that is completely destroyed in its transtlation to Krillin. These names will still be acknowlaged in the article, but we have to realize that the original names are the ones that need to be the ones up on the title.
2. Characters. I am sorry everyone but we are going to have to do more cutting. The problem with Dragon Ball is that, while it has a wide assortment of characters, very few of them are actually of great importance to the plot. The list has too many minor characters, whose sections contain little more than plot details and other inverse information. The only character that really, really could have a featured article written about is Son Goku. The other characters just do not have enough out of universe information. We can easily the main characters of Dragon Ball into one list, with "Important" supporting characters and villains making it. When I mean important I mean characters that are central and very important to the plot. Bit characters like Dabra and Bulma's father aren't going to cut it.
3. Video games. Put simply every video game that is part of a series, should be merged. There really is not enough information in each one to be its own seperate article. Having three articles about three games with very similar gameplay concepts and characters is not a good idea, and will not lead to featured article status.

Because this needs to be taken one step at a time, these are all the propositions I'll make to today. I would like to take the time to discuss them, and see if they need revision or if they are needed at all. Please refer to each proposition by its section number and name, so no one is confused. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 20:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back. You've been been gone over a year. Would be good to read some archives regarding these suggestions, as many things have changed since you left.

1. Per Wikipedia guidelines, we use the official English names from the manga (primary work), then the English release of the anime for only characters. The original names are noted in the opening of each character section/article, but the official names must be used throughout all articles. Basically, to turn it around, while you may love the original names, they are not the ones the majority of English Wikipedia readers will be familiar with. This has been discussed ad nauseum during your absence. Some searching in the archives here and in the Anime and manga project talk archives will likely find those discussions (feeling too lazy to search for linking at the moment :P)
2. For the character list, while I agree with the idea, the discussion regarding cutting and merging belong on the character list talk page, not here, so it is kept with its article and in its talk archives for future referencing; also, please note that saying here that you think this needs done, then turning around and starting massive edits to the character list before responses happen is not a good idea.
3. I also agree on the video game articles, but again, that is a discussion that should take place at Talk:List of Dragon Ball video games.

-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

1. The names used in the articles are noted to be the Anime names, which, besides randomly varying from dub to dub, are not in consistance with the manga names. The names for the manga are at the same time more consistant with the original names (and consistant) thus they should be used instead. Also, general consensus before I left (and before I was even here) give the original names dominance.
2. The character list article does not attact much traffic, and again, it would be better to propose all the changes in one place, rather than multiple places. My edits to the article are not only reversible, but show what the article would look like under such changes. The fact that the changes were reverted (while an inuse template was on it no less) before they were finished kept this from happening.
3. Same argument as before, with the fact that that particular article does not gennerate much traffic. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If there names that are wrong, that discussion also belongs in the character list talk page, not here. Since you left, the project and this task force came to a consensus that articles should follow the actual Wikipedia guidelines, which require that the official English names be used, rather than following preferences for the originals, with the English translation of the primary work having general precedence over adaptations (hence manga first, anime second). Both lists get enough traffic, and the character list in particular has multiple active editors watching it. Again, those are the appropriate locations for those discussions. Posting notes here to those discussions (and in the main project) is the way to get more traffic if needed. Use your userspace if you want to do an example version, not just make massive changes without consensus. They were reverted because they were inappropriate and far too bold to do without discussion, inuse tag or not. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If that is the case, then I will get to work turning the anime names into the english manga names, if that is what has been decided. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Also undone. As I have now said more times than I feel like counting, START A DISCUSSION. That means you post the topic, and allow other people to response and talk about the issue for at least a week, preferably two. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If we are (and you stated such) going by the manga names, than there is no reason to reach consensus on something that has already reached consensus previously. I fail to see why these edits are problematic. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 23:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

having general precedence; there are times when a secondary work (such as the anime) may take precedence, if consensus agrees. Discussion is how we edit in a cooperative environment, particularly when making major changes to articles that may be break dozens of links. Searching the archives now, for Dragon Ball, the argument was made that the English dub names should be used as the dub is arguably more well known than the manga and the subtitled series. This is the consensus currently in place for those articles (my error earlier). So discussion is required to change this to use any other naming (anime subtitled, manga, or original).[1] -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

New discussion at the List of Dragon Ball characters

There is an important discussion concerning the merging and deletion of articles in this list. Please join in the discussion in order to help reach a consensus on this issues. The discussion can be found here. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Dragon Ball split

Dragon Ball Z is being requested to become its own article. See talk for the discussion. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 23:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, the guy even wanted GT to have an article again. I've commented there ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z Budokai merge

I have proposed a merge of the Dragon Ball Z Budokai articles here. Please participate in the discussion so that consensus on whether or not the merge should go through can be reached. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 00:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Merge for Krillin

I have proposed that Krillin be merged with List of Dragon Ball characters here. Please discuss so that consensus on whether or not the merge should go through or not can be reached. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 00:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge for Yamcha

I have suggested a merge of the article Yamcha with the List of Dragon Ball characters here. Please contribute to the discussion so that consensus on whether or not the article should be kept or merged can be reached. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 18:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge Super Saiyan and Saiyan discussion

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Super_Saiyan#Merge_with_Saiyan_Article They are discussing something which this WikiProject would be concerned with, so I'm posting this here. Dream Focus 17:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

DB character names

A discussion regarding DB character names and which should be used in articles has been started at Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters#Character Names. As this appears to be a "hot" issue that is causing some confusion and a lot of inconsistency, additional input would be greatly appreciated. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Active and inactive user list

I click on some of those names on the inactive list, and see not only have they been active on Wikipedia this month, but also in anime and manga related topics. [2] made a post just today. I don't see any communications done on their talk pages asking them to confirm they were a member of the project. You can't just kick someone off like that. Also some on the active list haven't made any edits on Wikipedia for months. Active list member [3] hasn't made any edits on Wikipedia since March. So, how is it determined who is on what list? Dream Focus 17:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Who has kicked anyone off? The list is generally left up to the users themselves to edit and to declare themselves as active/inactive. It is not, however, based on their being active on Wikipedia or anywhere else beyond - do they consider themselves to be active in the Dragon Ball project. If there are users who have not edited anywhere in months, or who are now banned, I'd see no problem with moving those users to inactive (or removed all together for banned editors), but otherwise I'd say leave the list as is.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're that worried about it, you could simply ask someone to make an AWB run to everyone on the members list, asking them to drop by and update their status or simply remove themselves. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced fanbunk from 218.153.93.221

This one is currently targeting the articles Frieza, Piccolo and Vegeta. I already explained to him Wikipedia's core policies on uncited data, but he won't listen. Could really use some assistance here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Saiyan article up for deletion

• [4] This Wikiproject doesn't have anywhere to list articles involving it that are up for deletion, so I'll just put it here on the talk page. Dream Focus 06:21, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans article

Could we please create an article just detailing the history of the "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans" series. Explaining from top to bottom in order, an over view of the plot, the characters, the Famicom game, the 2 part OVA special, the 2 Bandai Playdia games and the recent newly animated special which comes with Raging Blast 2. --Victory93 (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's notable enough.--FUNKAMATIC ~talk 03:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

New AFD

I have put the game Dragon Ball Z Side Story: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans up for deletion. Sarujo (talk)

MFD notice for Portal:Dragon Ball

I have listed Portal:Dragon Ball for Miscellany for deletion. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Dragon Ball. Do not remove the {{mfd}} tag until the consensus may be reached. Thank you. JJ98 (Talk) 17:13, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z Kai article creation VOTE

"dragon ball Z Kai" redirects to the list of episodes. The title "Dragon Ball Kai" or "Dragon Ball Z Kai" may not be easy title to prove notoriety, but if they have an episode list with all that info, then they should have a page. Being as that the notoriety is difficult to prove I'm starting a vote: --FUNKAMATIC ~talk 03:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• YES - see above

• Against - Not all shows are entitled to their own articles. Also, Wikipedia isn't about proving notoriety in a subject. The episode list is doing fine on it's own. The reason this doesn't have it's own article is same reason why the other three series don't have their own, as they are all eventually the same series, and Kai is nothing more than a rehash of Dragon Ball Z. There have been discussions in the past regarding the existence of separate articles for each series. Each discussion meeting the same consensus not to create them. Oh by the way, when doing a procedural like this is to vote with support or against. Sarujo (talk) 07:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT do not need their own article and each of them is far more notable than Dragon Ball Z Kai. Even more, Dragon Ball Z Kai is merely an edited version of Dragon Ball Z. If a series should have its own article it would be Dragon Ball Z not Kai. But having the anime separated from the manga does not help to make the article clearer, which would be the main reason to create an article for Z, because, with the exception of GT, the TV anime series merely follow the story from the original manga. Jfgslo (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per the fact that Wikipedia isn't RAW vote but strength of the arguments. There isn't weight-full arguments for a stand-alone article Dragon Ball Kai. --KrebMarkt (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per the concerns by Jfgslo and Sarujo. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:14, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm confused. Why aren't GT and Z and Dragon Ball animes deserving of their own articles? Much of the reception that would likely exist for any of them would be independent of the manga, so I don't see why it should be combined with it, especially GT. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
    • It takes more than reception to warrant an article. Hippie, you of all people should already know that. Even with the trilogy having articles again, Kai would be a mere footnote in the Z series. As the Z series is merely an extension of Dragon Ball Z. Sarujo (talk) 08:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
      • I didn't ask about Kai, I asked about DB, Z, and GT animes. I merely asked here because the subject was brought up. However, a subject does not have to be completely independent from another work; it's all about content. If, for example, Kai had a ton of information on its creation, and plenty of reception that dealt with its unique concepts such as how well it aged, the pace of the anime, or opinions of specific cut content. There's no denying that making such an article is difficult, but there have been more "outrageous" articles made than this before. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

List of Dragon Ball characters: Moves from secondary to main

Redbird 41 is proposing to move some characters from current secondary character status to main character status since he considers that they have a relevant participation through all the series:

• Tien Shinhan
• Yamcha
• Yajirobe

There was a previous consensus that determined to handle these characters as secondary characters (you can read it here.) So, in order to do the move, we need a new consensus to determine if these characters are main or secondary. Please share your comments on this topic to reach a new consensus. Jfgslo (talk) 03:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Moving Yamcha, Tien and Yajirobe

I believe that Yamcha and Tien should be moved to the main characters section and that Yajirobe should be moved to the Secondary Section.Some of the may reasons that I believe the move is necessary are in this link below. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:List_of_Dragon_Ball_characters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.177.193 (talk) 06:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Bulma

I've proposed a merge be done of the character here. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Goku

It doesn't seem like this is a particularly active task force anymore. But I digress; I have put up a discussion in Goku's talk page regarding the general improvement and streamlining of the article and I would like to see input from contributors to this task force. I do want to see the article improve but there is a lot of work still needed and one cannot take on such a task alone.--GroovySandwich 04:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Notable Terminalogy (Items, Locations, Races, ect.)

I have realized that there is nothing on wikipedia about some notable stuff from the Dragon Ball series that aren't characters. Like some objects for example Dragon Radar, Kinto'un (Flying Nimbus), Nyoibou (Power Pole), Scouters and Capsules. Also for stuff like Super Saiyans (which are pretty notable since they have appeared in popular culture and have made a cultural impact. Also stuff like Races such as Namekians, Saiyans and Majins along with some notable locations like Mount Paozu, Kame House, West City, Papaya Island (World Martial Arts Tournament), Penguin Village, Planet Namek, Korin Tower & Kami's Lookout/Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Im wondering how we can incorporate this stuff into Wikipedia like a section in the Dragon Ball article briefly talking about stuff like this or articles like List of Objects in Dragon Ball or something. Any Opinions - SuperTiencha (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe that to be a very good idea; such information is trivial and in-universe and the purpose of the article is to maintain real-world perspective on Dragon Ball. Also, the technology and locations from Dragon Ball aren't particularly notable on their own. Such an article describing those things would likely end up similar to this--GroovySandwich 01:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Well most of the stuff is only notable to Dragon Ball fans, Super Saiyans for example have a big cultural impact since it has been seen parodied in many other fiction such as video games and cartoons in both Japan and North America. - SuperTiencha (talk) 15:31, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

If it's only notable to Dragon Ball fans then it's not particularly deserving of its own article. Articles need to be informative to a general audience, so to speak. A glossary of Dragon Ball terms would quickly turn into a crufty, OR-filled mess, most likely, and would end up like the Evangelion article I mentioned previously. There used to be articles on those things: Races, Attacks, etc. But they all got merged and redirected and the same would happen again. Any relevant information regarding the impact of Dragon Ball's concepts, like the Super Saiyan as you mentioned, can be added to the main Dragon Ball article--GroovySandwich 02:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Bardock Episode

When is the English dubbed version coming out? AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Major editing on Saiyan and Super Saiyan

While poking around Wikipedia, I noticed that Saiyan and Super Saiyan have had some major editing recently. Super Saiyan's incorrect infobox template feels like it was copy-pasta'd from somewhere, and the article was previously a redirect. I don't know the merit of either article or previous discussions, but neither talk page has this group's banner. Can someone please check out the articles? —Ost (talk) 22:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

RFC on Dragon Ball demerge

There is a discussion going on at Talk:Dragon Ball regarding whether we should demerge DBZ or DBGT from Dragon Ball. The discussion is at Talk:Dragon Ball#RfC: Is it relevant to demerge Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z as separate articles?. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Bulma

Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Bulma has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Project:Dragon Ball

We all know that Dragon Ball Z is an important Anime so, why cant you create a seperate Wikiproject project for it like Wikiproject:Pokemon and Digimon. Why there is Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Dragon Ball.--IM3847 (talk) 13:33, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Dragonball GT - Dragonball Super

I have watched Dragonball GT, where at the end Goku flies off with Shenron, but at the start of Dragonball Super, it's like it never happened. I want to know if it's ever explained to what happens between Dragonball GT and Dragonball Super. Please inform me if I have missed something. Anzio Langeveldt (talk) 08:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Anzio Langeveldt:: Chronologically Dragon Ball Super takes place soon after the conclusion of the Majin Buu arc in Dragon Ball Z, but well before the ending of Z where Pan and Uub are still young children, as opposed to being pre-teen/teenaged in GT. Think of GT as the Dragon Ball equivalent of the Clone Wars animated TV show for Star Wars which is ambiguously canon (since the events in the show may or may not have happened and the Star Wars films almost never discuss or reference the events of that show save for some easter eggs and cameo appearances), or any of the Expanded Universe stuff which have been retconned as Legends and definitely non-canon. I am more inclined towards the latter since Super has introduced story elements which contradicts the stuff featured on GT like the Black Star Dragon Balls and the Pilaf Gang. Most tellingly, GT's story arcs never had a manga equivalent, just like the various Dragon Ball films. Haleth (talk) 09:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)