Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
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Background to POV-pushing AE cases
editWhile there is an ARCA request that these may be in the scope of, I'm opening enforcement requests here for three reasons:
- It remains unclear whether the ARCA request will turn into a case, and even if it does due to the length of time it has taken I will no longer be available to participate. (If a case does proceed with me as a party, I will provide details to ArbCom to demonstrate that it is not ANI flu)
- One of the editors is not being considered as a party for that case
- I believe the evidence here is sufficiently straightforward that AE may be able to deal with it; if they can, that should simplify any potential ArbCom case
Admin input
editSomething that has been on my mind for quite a while is that other than the shit show I've just started there's no way for admins working arbitration enforcement to get input from other admins without either discussing off-wiki or starting this kind of clusterfuck. While there are some admins that I chat with off-wiki that leads to a selection bias, and still provides a narrow point of view. I've boiled my noodle off and on for months about this, and I can't come up with a solution that doesn't pose it's own issues.
Looking for input in a public forum leads to exactly what we're seeing now, but at least there's transparency. It doesn't make it easy for admins to have frank discussions about behavior and interpretations. It also turns into yet another forum for people to argue.
A limited access mailing list is one way, but having a big admin-only off-wiki mailing list isn't going to make anyone more comfortable with admins and would be vulnerable to leaks. An IRC or discord channel has the same issue. Might as well just throw on a robe and start a cabal.
I don't know if there's any solution, or if the way it is now it's the best we can do with our system. I just figured I'd share some of my thoughts and see what others think. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- The simple solution would be to have discussions initiated by admins in their role as an uninvolved admin be designated as "admin-only", with the only regular editors being allowed to contribute being those whose behavior is being discussed. BilledMammal (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ways to get admin input without an AE filing:
- asking "is this a policy vio?" at Talk:AE
- asking "is this a policy vio?" at WP:AN
- asking "is this a policy vio?" at WP:ARCA
- asking "is this a policy vio?" at the relevant policy talk page
- saying "I think this is a a policy vio" at the editor's user talk page, or on the page where the policy vio happened (in this case, article talk page)
- waiting to see if someone else raises it
- Levivich (talk) 01:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Reporting Cross-Wiki problems
editIf an editor is under ArbCom sanctions and gets into trouble on a different WikiMedia project for similar behavior, is it appropriate to draw attention to that behavior by posting a section at WP:AE? The purpose would not be to ask for additional sanctions on this project, but to be sure it is in the record for future consideration in case the editor asks to have restrictions reduced or lifted. --David Tornheim (talk) 11:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Ethiopian Epic
editThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I was going to ask to be able to add more evidence, especially since a lot has happened since I opened the request. However, there I saw that there was a SPI into EE and it both casts a new light on to the evidence given, but also could make giving new evidence redundant.[1] I think all the Admins involved in this case should be aware of it. @Nil Einne @Simonm223 @Seraphimblade @Red-tailed hawk @Ealdgyth @Barkeep49 Tinynanorobots (talk) 17:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- With respect they should be aware of your behavior and your battleground misuse of this talk page despite the big warning at the top. EEpic (talk) 19:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)