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how to express date when the source only gives a (northern hemisphere) season

MOS:SEASON says to avoid using terms like "spring of 2021", but what does one do when the source gives no other information, and the source is probably Russian so it is not clear (at least not to me) what they mean by "Spring"? The Candidates Tournament 2020 in chess has been postponed until "the spring of 2021".[1] What is the most appropriate way to express that? I could say "northern spring 2021", but that sounds like a bottled water; or "northern hemisphere spring 2021", which seems a bit clumsy. I could say "March to May 2021", but I am unsure whether all countries define "spring" that way. Or leave it and let the context be obvious, though as an Australian that frustrates me. Adpete (talk) 02:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe "First half of 2021"? --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. On further thought: I think it is appropriate to be precise ("northern hemisphere spring") in the body of the article; and the dilemma is more how to put it in the lead. Adpete (talk) 02:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Adpete, while unconventional, you could directly quote from the article, and where the source is located should hopefully allow readers to infer which hemisphere (and subsequently season) the event is taking place in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Adpete and Tenryuu: Yes, just put quotes around "spring of 2021" and let it go at that. The guidance for not using "spring" is part of our goal of avoiding "hemispheric bias" (see WP:BIAS), but we cannot WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS if it gets in the way of writing a readable encyclopedia. -Arch dude (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Adpete: I don't think the northern hemisphere part is necessary, since that is implied by the location of the tournament (much like dates and times are assumed to be local to the subject unless otherwise specified). Journal cites routinely use issue dates like "Spring 2021" (no "of"). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:38, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually the location for the resumption has not been announced. So it is possible, though very unlikely, that it might be held in the tropics or southern hemisphere. (And there is precedent: part of a 1993 championship between a Dutchman and a Russian was played in Jakarta). Adpete (talk) 05:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Since the location isn't known yet, I'd be more inclined to stick with using direct quotes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:45, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I see. Makes sense to me. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:34, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Julia Holcomb was a 16 year old child. She was not a groupie. She was a victim of statutory rape by a then 27 year old Steven Tyler.

 Courtesy link: Steven Tyler

Julia Holcomb was a 16 year old child. She was not a groupie. She was a victim of statutory rape by a then 27 year old Steven Tyler. You need to correct the page on Steven Tyler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.221.170 (talk) 05:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

do you have a reliable source for that? Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a source that calls it statutory rape specifically but the current source for "groupie" doesn't seem to exist in this context and I have a hard time believing writing "16 year old groupie" when talking about the relationship between a nearly 30 year old man and a teenager is NPOV. Praxidicae (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I've boldly removed it. It adds nothing to the article and still adequately explains what needs explaining. Praxidicae (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect Photo - Dr. Henry McBay

I worked for Dr. McBay at Morehouse College in Atlanta during the early 1980s. The picture used for him is Not him. There are Several to view Online. He was Very diminutive in stature. Never saw him With a Beard Or Mustache. Thanks.

Cynthia Flint Crawford Class of 1979 Spelman College — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.38.158.61 (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Which article are you talking about? There are no photos in the Henry Cecil McBay article. Adpete (talk) 08:06, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps you mean the "google panel". Those are out of WP:s control (but they have a "feedback" link), though they often take info from here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

The Google knowledge panel does have an image, but hirsute in it, he is not. Eagleash (talk) 12:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Here there is an image with that name and facial hair but may or may not, look like him as far as I can see. Eagleash (talk) 12:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Google has a tendency to use our picture when it exists. When our article has no picture, google apparently does an Internet search and quite often gets the wrong picture: we have no control over Google in this regard. However, if you can find a properly-licensed picture of Dr. McBay and upload it here, then we can put it in our article, and Google is likely to eventually begin using it. -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Help removing a username

I need help removing a username for a history of edits--Whodidthis9 (talk) 09:22, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Whodidthis9 I think that Wikipedia:Oversight is what you are looking for. —teb728 t c 09:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

LTA?

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Hey all, a recent edit I made got flagged as “Potential LTA”. I believe that’s an abbreviation for Long Term Abuse (if not please correct me). Wonder what triggered the flag and what I can do about it. You may find the edit here Thank you. 123.231.110.126 (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

You can find more detail in the edit filter log. Ruslik_Zero 12:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ruslik0: That first log entry doesn't show any detail to editors who lack your advanced permissions. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

This is what's known as a false positive. We try to keep these to a minimum, but it sometimes happens. Most people who look at such things would know to ignore it. It's going to be a rare event which you might not be able to repeat even if you tried, but I'll see what can be done about it anyway to reduce future occurrences. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@zzuuzz, @123.231.110.126, I presume the reasons for the filter picking up the edit include that it was to a controversial article and by a new account. It seems reasonable to flag that kind of edit for checking, if not to label it as “Potential LTA”. TSventon (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Basically it was due to an overly broad filter, which I've since changed. It's simply not helpful to liberally add LTA tags, as this thread probably demonstrates. Personally, I don't see any reason to add any tag, and operationally, it's fairly impractical. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

brit box

I can not find a telephone number  about our account to do with billing  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.235.130.164 (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC) 

I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. This is a help desk for issues with editing Wikipedia, nothing else. --ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

But perhaps you could find help and support info at one of the official sites listed at the bottom of Wikipedia's BritBox article. —teb728 t c 22:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

correction

at the site - https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_Los_Angeles_Historic-Cultural_Monuments_in_Downtown_Los_Angeles in item #449 there is a misspelling - it should be Domingo Mora

sincerely, Peter hiller Jo Mora Trust Collection Curator — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2B30:C000:658B:3BE6:936B:DF0 (talk) 21:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing that: I have corrected the name, and also copied (from another article) a citation to a source for it. Normally I would say "you could have corrected it yourself", but you might be seen to have a conflict of interest in editing things about Domingo Mora, so should be circumspect. If you need to do so in future, you could put an edit request on the talk page of the particular article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

A misspelling correction shouldn't trigger any conflict of interest concerns. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Are There Templates for Different Kinds of Articles?

It's been a few years since I last edited anything on Wikipedia, but I'd like to add an article about a nonprofit organization that does not yet have an article. Is there a more or less standard template for creating an article about an organization?

Thanks. Brucehartford (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Brucehartford: Not that I'm aware of. You can look at other articles as examples. WP:YFA will walk you through the steps of what is needed to create an article and there is a wizard to help you create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 04:29, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I just cut and paste from my previous articles.TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)