Wikipedia:Categories for discussion

"WP:CFD" redirects here. For criteria for deletion, see WP:Criteria for deletion.

"WP:CFR" redirects here. For criteria for redaction, see WP:Criteria for redaction.

XFD backlog

V	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Total
CfD	0	0	0	2	2
TfD	0	0	0	7	7
MfD	0	0	4	2	6
FfD	0	0	9	9	18
RfD	0	0	26	16	42
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions

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• All current discussions
  • 14 December (Saturday)
  • 13 December (Friday)
  • 12 December (Thursday)
  • 11 December (Wednesday)
  • 10 December (Tuesday)
  • 9 December (Monday)
  • 8 December (Sunday)
  • 7 December (Saturday)
  • Previous 8 to 21 days
• Speedy renaming requests
• Archive and indices

Discussions awaiting closure

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 2 (2 open)

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

How to use CfD

Nomination procedure

Twinkle

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.

MassCFD

You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.

Manual nominations

I	Preliminary steps. Before nominating a category: Read and understand the guidance for category names and overcategorization. For categories containing biographical articles, read the guidance for categorization of people. For categories containing the user pages of Wikipedians, read the guidance for user categories. In the following special cases: If a category is a red link, then it is already deleted (or was never created in the first place) and does not need to be nominated. If a category is unpopulated, use {{db-catempty}} to request it be speedily deleted in 7 days. If a category is populated solely by a template (other than a stub template, see #Stub types below) and you are proposing to delete both the category and template, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.
II	Edit the category. Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here. Otherwise, if nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd|CfD section name}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category|CfD section name}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2|CfD section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}} For converting the category into a list, {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page. Consider adding {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 December 14|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator. For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this. If nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category 1|target2=Destination category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows: ==== Cfd section name ==== * 1st category * 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming] * Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature. If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories. In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]]. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types

I	Preliminary steps. In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming: Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions. Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive. If you wish to: Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types. Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section. Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.
II	Edit the template. Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed. For deletion, use {{subst:Sfd-t|Section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}} Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters): For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t2|TemplateName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t2|TemplateOldName|TemplateNewName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 December 14|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure

After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories

"WP:CAT-R" redirects here. For the guideline on categorizing redirects, see Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects.

For an essay on this topic, see WP:Category redirects that should be kept.

In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} or {{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
• Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous page

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at WP:CFDS, you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them.

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 07:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 1,784 open requests ().

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

• Category:Closed wing aircraft to Category:Closed-wing aircraft – C2C: Consistency with other subcategories of Category:Wing configurations The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:51, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Wikipedians who listen to nintendocore to Category:Wikipedians who listen to Nintendocore – C2A. 1857a (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:1980s hip hop album stubs to Category:1980s hip-hop album stubs – C2C, C2D – Fayenatic London 22:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Muses to Category:Muses (persons) – C2D per Muse (person). Brandmeister^talk 21:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Infantry weapons to Category:Small arms and light weapons – C2D: Infantry weapon currently points to Small arms and light weapons. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:1980s in hip-hop music to Category:1980s in hip-hop – C2C/C2D, hip hop music was moved by RM to hip-hop, so "music" should have been removed when this was speedily renamed to the hyphenated form. – Fayenatic London 16:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:1990s in hip-hop music to Category:1990s in hip-hop
  • Category:2000s in hip-hop music to Category:2000s in hip-hop
  • Category:2010s in hip-hop music to Category:2010s in hip-hop
  • Category:20th century in hip-hop music to Category:20th century in hip-hop
  • Category:21st century in hip-hop music to Category:21st century in hip-hop
• Category:Intercontinental Cup (football) to Category:Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) – C2D: Per Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) following page move discussion. BLAIXX 14:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Biological weapons to Category:Biological agents – C2D: Per main article, biological agent. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Big Sugar songs to Category:Big Sugar (band) songs – C2D: Per Big Sugar (band). Mike Selinker (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cesare Cremonini songs to Category:Cesare Cremonini (musician) songs – C2D: To match article name Cesare Cremonini (musician). Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 02:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:File-Class plant articles to Category:File-Class plant pages – C2C: Per Category:File-Class pages following Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#Category:File-Class articles BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 01:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

  Here, we must leave redirects to avoid a bunch of red links (like it already happened with FM class). I can do it myself but pls do not process without redirecting. Ymblanter (talk) 06:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Motoring Advocacy groups to Category:Motoring advocacy groups – C2A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helper201 (talk • contribs)
• Category:Sarah songs to Category:Sarah Toscano songs – C2B: Ambiguous and C2D: following results of multiple move requests to keep at Sarah Toscano. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Sarah (Italian singer) EPs to Category:Sarah Toscano EPs – C2D: per result of RM at Talk:Sarah Toscano.
  • Category:Sarah (Italian singer) albums to Category:Sarah Toscano albums – C2D: per result of RM at Talk:Sarah Toscano.
• Category:Wikipedians who listen to R&B to Category:Wikipedians who listen to rhythm and blues – C2D * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Winter Olympics events by year to Category:Events at the Winter Olympics by year – C2C: Match parent (Category:Events at the Winter Olympics) and children categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Summer Olympics events by year to Category:Events at the Summer Olympics by year – C2C: Match parent (Category:Events at the Summer Olympics) and children categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Deputies of Moscow City Duma to Category:Members of the Moscow City Duma – C2B: Consistency with similarly named categories (e.g. Category:Members of the State Duma (Russian Federation), Category:Members of the State Duma (Russian Empire))Russian Rocky (talk) 19:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Gender-affirming surgery (female-to-male) to Category:Masculinizing surgery – C2D: Recent RM decision. LIrala (talk) 17:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Gender-affirming surgery (male-to-female) to Category:Feminizing surgery – C2D. See talk:Feminizing surgery. LIrala (talk) 17:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Limoges FC to Category:Limoges Football – C2D: Name change in 2020. Bocanegra (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Limoges FC managers to Category:Limoges Football managers
  • Category:Limoges FC players to Category:Limoges Football players
• Category:Sugar Hill Records (Hip-Hop label) singles to Category:Sugar Hill Records (hip-hop label) singles – C2A: Miscapitalized. Also C2D per Sugar Hill Records (hip-hop label), moved in Talk:Hip-hop#Requested move 2 December_2024. This one was miscapitalized rather than missing a hyphen like the other hip-hop moves. SilverLocust 💬 15:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chiefs (rugby union) templates to Category:Chiefs (Super Rugby) templates – C2D Rugbyfan22 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chiefs (rugby union) seasons to Category:Chiefs (Super Rugby) seasons – C2D Rugbyfan22 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chiefs (rugby union) players to Category:Chiefs (Super Rugby) players – C2D Rugbyfan22 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chiefs (rugby union) matches to Category:Chiefs (Super Rugby) matches – C2D Rugbyfan22 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Chiefs (rugby union) to Category:Chiefs (Super Rugby) – C2D Rugbyfan22 (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Legal defenses to Category:Defense (legal) – C2D: The main article has always been at Defense (legal). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Matlock (TV series) seasons to Category:Matlock (1986 TV series) seasons – C2B: per Matlock (1986 TV series). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Flying disc to Category:Frisbee – C2D: Per frisbee, the main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose - subcategories Category:Flying disc games and Category:Flying disc tournaments aren't logically renamable to "Frisbee foo", and "Flying disc" is the generic term of Frisbee. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

    Those are not the main article of the category, so that isn't relevant at all. Frisbee is an unequivocally genericized term for all flying discs, as there has been consensus in the main article to demonstrate with the title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

    • It's relevant because renaming this would create a mis-match between the main category and its children. I believe this should be given a full CfD accordingly. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Short track speed skating at the Winter Olympics sidebar templates to Category:Short-track speed skating at the Winter Olympics sidebar templates – C2C with e.g. Category:Short-track speed skating at the Winter Olympics navigational boxes – Fayenatic London 22:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:United States senators of Asian descent to Category:United States senators of Asian and Pacific Islander descent. – Matching the members of the more inclusive main article it draws from List of Asian Americans and Pacific Islands Americans in the United States Congress. C2D. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives of Asian descent to Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – Same as above. C2D. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Members of the United States Congress of Asian descent to Category:Members of the United States Congress of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – C2D: Same as the three below The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:American politicians of Asian descent to Category:American politicians of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Members of the Cabinet of the United States of Asian descent to Category:Members of the Cabinet of the United States of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:City council members of Asian descent to Category:City council members of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:American state governors of Asian descent to Category:American state governors of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:American mayors of Asian descent to Category:American mayors of Asian and Pacific Islander descent – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:American politicians of Asian descent by state to Category:American politicians of Asian and Pacific Islander descent by state – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:American women of Asian descent in politics to Category:American women of Asian and Pacific Islander descent in politics – Adding other similar categories. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Oppose this batch, American people of Oceanian descent are kept separate in Category:American people of Oceanian descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:PopCap Games games to Category:PopCap games – C2A; move back to old name. Old name has "Games" only once, though the company's common or short name is simply PopCap. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, this conflicts with WP:C2D, PopCap Games. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle: Noting that the article had been moved to List of PopCap games prior to this request, but I've reverted the move and it's now back at List of PopCap Games games. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  • That doesn't change anything about PopCap Games. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

    • I'm pretty sure that "PopCap games" would be the common useage. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

    No you're right, it doesn't. I was just making a note of it. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose also, the company's name is "PopCap Games", not "PopCap". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Assassination of Brian Thompson to Category:Killing of Brian Thompson – C2D: The article uses the term "Killing" and not "Assassination" Sebbog13 (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  This category has been empted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  I tagged the category for speedy deletion, let us keep it here in the queue and then delete unless it gets repopulated. Ymblanter (talk) 06:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Opposed requests

• Category:Telecommunications in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Telecommunications in Ireland – "Republic of Ireland" is the description of Ireland, while "Ireland" is the name of the country. (Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland declares that the name of the state is Ireland; Section 2 of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948 declares that Republic of Ireland is "the description of the State") Both have different pages though both pages convey the same country. ^Tattooed_Leprechaun｜^🗣️💬 23:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose - part of an established tree under Category:Republic of Ireland, which states Category:Ireland covers both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland and deals with topics relating to the two jurisdictions on the island of Ireland.. This category is strictly for the country of Ireland, not the island of Ireland, and thus "Republic of Ireland" is the correct name. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• C2C - Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Category:LGBTQ by continent and country. --MikutoH ^talk! 03:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Africa by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Africa
  • Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Asia by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Asia
  • Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Europe by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Europe
  • Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in North America by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in North America
  • Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Oceania by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Oceania
  • Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in South America by country to Category:Same-sex marriage in South America and Category:Same-sex marriage by country
    • @MikutoH: oppose speedy, WP:C2C applies to renaming, not to merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Hostage taking to Category:Hostage-taking – C2A: it's "hostage-taking", isn't it? There are numerous subcats, but I'll wait marking them for renaming, pending reactions to this one. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose. "Hostage Taking" is also fine. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  Well, they also capitalize "Taking", and we don't follow that. Maybe there's a better source, one that's actually about spelling and such. HandsomeFella (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  C2A is only for clear errors; debatable cases like this would need a full discussion. – Fayenatic London 12:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

• Category:Moroccan Berber politicians to Category:Berber Moroccan politicians – C2C: parent is Berber Moroccans ^SMason_Garrison 23:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Hold pending discussion of parent at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_6#Berbers_by_nationality. – Fayenatic London 12:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

    Sounds good to me :) ^SMason_Garrison 12:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:John Brown sites to Category:John Brown (abolitionist) sites – C2D: per John Brown (abolitionist). 1857a (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  This category has been nominated for merging at CfD. 1857a (talk) 04:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Sailing clubs in New York (state) to Category:Yacht clubs in New York (state) – C2C: parent is Yacht clubs in the United States ^SMason_Garrison 01:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Sailing clubs in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Yacht clubs in Georgia (U.S. state)ó
  • Category:Sailing clubs in Alabama to Category:Yacht clubs in Alabama
  • Category:Sailing clubs in Florida to Category:Yacht clubs in Florida
  • Category:Sailing clubs in Connecticut to Category:Yacht clubs in Connecticut
  • Category:Sailing clubs in Colorado to Category:Yacht clubs in Colorado

  Oppose speedy Except 2 of the 24 subcategories of Category:Yacht clubs in the United States use "Sailing clubs" instead "Yacht clubs", thus per C2C it would make more sense to rename that instead. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 13:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose the sport is called sailing not yachting. The sport even changed it name in 1996 with the IOC. I set most of these categories up. Lets do the change the other way round. Yachty4000 (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  • An opposite proposal is now at full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:United States–European Union relations to Category:European Union–United States relations – C2D: and C2C (cousins). Web-julio (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Fiji–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Fiji relations
  • Category:The Gambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–the Gambia relations
  • Category:Georgia (country)–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Georgia (country) relations
  • Category:Greenland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Greenland relations
  • Category:Guatemala–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guatemala relations
  • Category:Guyana–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guyana relations
  • Category:Holy See–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Holy See relations
  • Category:Iceland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iceland relations
  • Category:India–European Union relations to Category:European Union–India relations
  • Category:Indonesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Indonesia relations
  • Category:Iran–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iran relations
  • Category:Iraq–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iraq relations
  • Category:Israel–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Israel relations
  • Category:Ivory Coast–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ivory Coast relations
  • Category:Jamaica–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jamaica relations
  • Category:Japan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Japan relations
  • Category:Jordan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jordan relations
  • Category:Kazakhstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kazakhstan relations
  • Category:Kosovo–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kosovo relations
  • Category:Kyrgyzstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kyrgyzstan relations
  • Category:Lebanon–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Lebanon relations
  • Category:Libya–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Libya relations
  • Category:Liechtenstein–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Liechtenstein relations
  • Category:Madagascar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Madagascar relations
  • Category:Malaysia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Malaysia relations
  • Category:Maldives–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Maldives relations
  • Category:Mali–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mali relations
  • Category:Mauritania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritania relations
  • Category:Mauritius–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritius relations
  • Category:Mexico–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mexico relations
  • Category:Micronesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Micronesia relations
  • Category:Moldova–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Moldova relations
  • Category:Monaco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Monaco relations
  • Category:Mongolia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mongolia relations
  • Category:Montenegro–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Montenegro relations
  • Category:Morocco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Morocco relations
  • Category:Namibia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Namibia relations
  • Category:Nepal–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nepal relations
  • Category:New Zealand–European Union relations to Category:European Union–New Zealand relations
  • Category:Nicaragua–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nicaragua relations
  • Category:Niue–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Niue relations
  • Category:North Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Korea relations
  • Category:North Macedonia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Macedonia relations
  • Category:Norway–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Norway relations
  • Category:Pakistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Pakistan relations
  • Category:Palau–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Palau relations
  • Category:State of Palestine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–State of Palestine relations
  • Category:Philippines–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Philippines relations
  • Category:Qatar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Qatar relations
  • Category:Russia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Russia relations
  • Category:Samoa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Samoa relations
  • Category:San Marino–European Union relations to Category:European Union–San Marino relations
  • Category:São Tomé and Príncipe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–São Tomé and Príncipe relations
  • Category:Saudi Arabia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Saudi Arabia relations
  • Category:Serbia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Serbia relations
  • Category:Seychelles–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Seychelles relations
  • Category:Sierra Leone–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sierra Leone relations
  • Category:Singapore–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Singapore relations
  • Category:Somalia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Somalia relations
  • Category:South Africa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Africa relations
  • Category:South Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Korea relations
  • Category:Sri Lanka–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sri Lanka relations
  • Category:Switzerland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Switzerland relations
  • Category:Syria–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Syria relations
  • Category:Taiwan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Taiwan relations
  • Category:Tanzania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tanzania relations
  • Category:Tonga–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tonga relations
  • Category:Turkey–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkey relations
  • Category:Turkmenistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkmenistan relations
  • Category:Uganda–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uganda relations
  • Category:Ukraine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ukraine relations
  • Category:Uzbekistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uzbekistan relations
  • Category:Venezuela–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Venezuela relations
  • Category:Vietnam–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Vietnam relations
  • Category:Yemen–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Yemen relations
  • Category:Zambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zambia relations
  • Category:Zimbabwe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zimbabwe relations

    Commnet All European Union cats nominated are under the false impression that the EU is a country and that standard naming conventions apply. They don't. The EU is a multilateral organization. All categories nominated are under the proper naming convention. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    Query @WikiCleanerMan: is this an objection to 'all of the above', then? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    No, they are not. In the case of some, many are C2D (such as the USA case). So shouldn't have a consistency with order? Because a category and some articles start with EU: European Union–Sudan relations, European Union–Turkey relations, and Category:European Union–Rwanda relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    Yes. I object. There needs to be wider consensus and there is no consensus as in case in point from 2014 from the US article talk page. Country-EU relations title format as been the way for a long time and it isn't going to change without a wider discussion for the articles. Nominator is going backwards by starting wit categorizes. Alphabetical order is for countries. EU is not a country. African Union-European Union is fine because those are two organizations not countries that have relations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    @WikiCleanerMan So should I start CFD now or someone else? Web-julio (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    @Web-julio you can if you want, but I don't think that it's going to be successful. I don't think that the rename is a good idea because having the country first is more helpful for navigation. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I think you need to slow down and learn more about categorization norms before making mass changes. ^SMason_Garrison 02:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    So are we gonna keep Rwanda? There's nothing to learn here as no consensus or policy was shown regarding this inconsistency. Web-julio (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    Ok, well, if you think you know everything about categories fine. But I already pointed out that demanding a policy/consensus be shown is not a good way to learn about categorization. ^SMason_Garrison 02:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    There is consistency. As in they already existed already long before you started editing Wikipedia. The Rwanda category has to be changed to it's proper name setting. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    @WikiCleanerMan The lack of consistency is why it would need to go to full. There is no need to bring account age into the conversation. ^SMason_Garrison 12:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

    None of these are countries either: Category:African Union–European Union relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

    • @Web-julio: you can move the discussion to CFD if you want to, in that case please re-tag the category pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

      @Marcocapelle I think that since a RM is going on, we could wait. I guess that's why these weren't removed from here, right? Web-julio (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Moved to full discussion

• Category:Persian physicists to Category:Ancient Persian physicists – C2C: parents are Ancient Persian people and Iranian physicists. Category:Persian people has a disclaimer that "historic Persian people use Ancient Persian people (before AD 500) or Medieval Iranian people (AD 500 to AD 1500)" ^SMason_Garrison 20:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Smasongarrison: the articles are about medieval people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'd be equally fine with Medieval Iranian physicists. ^SMason_Garrison 21:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  • @Smasongarrison: sorry for bothering you again but I think there is no longer a speedy criterion applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

    Can you bring it to full? ^SMason_Garrison 14:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Man-eaters of India to Category:Man-eating animals of India – C2B: per Man-eating animal/Category:Man-eating animals. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think it should probably be Category:Man-eating animals in India. A small distinction, but "of" implies they are commonplace in India somehow. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  ..."of" is the standard for this sort of category. It has nothing to do with impling they're "commonplace". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  I am unsure what you mean by "the standard". The parent category is Category:Animal attacks in Uzb. "In" would appear to match up. mxnstrixxx (ᴛ) 10:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Eastern Ukraine campaign to Category:Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2D: per Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Family27390 (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Battles of the Eastern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine

    Oppose speedy Main article was only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Northern Ukraine campaign to Category:Northern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2D: per Northern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Family27390 (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Battles of the Northern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Northern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
• Category:Southern Ukraine campaign to Category:Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2D: per Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Family27390 (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Battles of the Southern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine

    Oppose speedy Main article was only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  • @Family27390: are you planning to move these to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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