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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent software changes
- The "Special:Cite" page is now called "Special:CiteThisPage". That way, you know it's to cite the page, not to add a reference. [1]
- You can no longer use the
insource:keyword for text searches. It caused issues with the new search tool. It will come back later. [2] [3]
Problems
- There was a bug in VisualEditor with Internet Explorer. It hid tools like the link editor when you opened them. The bug was fixed on Monday. [4]
- Issues with the new search tool caused geo data code to show up on pages on Monday and Friday. The mobile "nearby" tool was also broken. The problem is now fixed. [5] [6] [7]
- HHVM caused server issues on Thursday. They are now fixed.
Software changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf5) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 29. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 4, and on all Wikipedias from November 5 (calendar).
- Some wikis have icons at the top of a page to show if it is protected or featured. Icons show up using CSS. You can now use the
<indicator>tag in these templates instead to add the icons. [8] [9] - VisualEditor now tells you if you're editing a re-used reference. This helps you avoid changing it if you just want to add a new one. [10]
- The icons in VisualEditor's template editor tool for adding more fields are back, along with other fixes. [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]
- After November 6, all wikis will have the tool to edit TemplateData. [16] [17] [18]
Future changes
- The new search tool will come to the last wikis in the coming weeks. This includes Wikipedia in French, Chinese, German and English. [19]
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17:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
VisualEditor newsletter—November 2014
VisualEditor is also available on the mobile version of Wikipedia. Login and click the pencil icon to open the page you want to edit. Click on the gear-shaped settings in the upper-right corner, to pick which editor to use. Choose "Edit" to use VisualEditor, or "Edit source" to use the wikitext editor.
It will remember whether you used wikitext or VisualEditor, and use the same editor the next time you edit an article.
The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor. Not all features are available in Mobile Web.
Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org. Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.
Recent improvements
The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias next week, and eventually at the English Wikipedia.
The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.
VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.
The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar's menus are now shown in the menus. VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience / Design group. The appearance of dialogs has already changed in one Mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.)
Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search program could not find the page. A link inside a template, to a local page that does not exist, will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to a error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [20] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.
TemplateData
The tool for quickly editing TemplateData will be deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November. This tool is already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.
You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common response for that parameter. The autovalue can be easily overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.
In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "suggested" or "optional" in TemplateData instead.
Looking ahead
Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in tables will appear next Wednesday. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be possible later. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus will be hidden behind a "More" item, such as "underlining" in the styling menu. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.
The user guide will be updated soon to add information about editing tables. The translations for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. Talk to us if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.
You can influence VisualEditor's design. Tell the VisualEditor team what you want changed during the office hours via IRC. The next sessions are on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC and on Wednesday 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC. You can also share your ideas at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
Also, user experience researcher Abbey Ripstra is looking for editors to show her how they edit Wikipedia. Please sign up for the research program if you would like to hear about opportunities.
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The Signpost: 05 November 2014
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent software changes
- You may see a new tool on the mobile site of the English Wikipedia. It asks simple questions to make the article better. In the future, your answers will go to Wikidata. [21] [22]
- The MediaWiki API now shows information in a nice format. You can translate it in translatewiki.net. [23]
- Reminder: You can help fix file information on your wiki. It will help robots understand the information. After that, it will be easier for you to search files and re-use them.
- You can join two IRC chats this week to learn more about the file cleanup project. One will be on Wednesday at 18:00 (UTC) and the other on Thursday at 04:00 (UTC). You can ask questions during the chat if you need help to fix files on your wiki.
- You can see a list of files to fix on the Labs tool. You can report bugs and ask questions on the talk page.
Problems
- Wikimedia Labs was broken for a few hours on Thursday. It was due to a hardware problem. [24]
Software changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf7) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 5. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 11, and on all Wikipedias from November 12 (calendar).
- You can now use more editing tools for tables in VisualEditor. You can add rows and columns, merge cells, and edit table captions. [25] [26]
- The style and insert menus in the toolbar of VisualEditor now show fewer tools. This helps you see the most common tasks. You can see all items by clicking "More". [27]
- The way windows inside VisualEditor work has changed. VisualEditor should be faster and have fewer bugs. [28]
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15:00, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The Signpost: 12 November 2014
- In the media: Amazon Echo; EU freedom of panorama; Bluebeard's Castle
- Traffic report: Holidays, anyone?
- Featured content: Wikipedia goes to church in Lithuania
- WikiProject report: Talking hospitals
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Software changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf8) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 12. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 18, and on all Wikipedias from November 19 (calendar).
- The new search tool ("CirrusSearch") will be on the English Wikipedia from November 19. [29]
Move from Bugzilla to Phabricator
- The tool to track bugs will change on November 21.
- You won't be able to add or edit bugs between November 21 and November 24.
- You can make the change easier for you by creating your account.
- Bugzilla will be frozen after the change. You will see, edit and report bugs in Phabricator.
- You can join two IRC chats to learn more about the change. The chats will be on Tuesday, November 18 at 16:00 (UTC) and 23:00 UTC. [30]
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18:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews
Hello Lor. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.
The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.
If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)
If you do find a copyright violation, please do not decline the draft on that basis. Copyright violations need to be dealt with immediately as they may harm those whose content is being used and expose Wikipedia to potential legal liability. If the draft is substantially a copyvio, and there's no non-infringing version to revert to, please mark the page for speedy deletion right away using {{db-g12|url=URL of source}}. If there is an assertion of permission, please replace the draft article's content with {{subst:copyvio|url=URL of source}}.
Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.
I hope this message finds you well and thanks again you for your efforts in this area. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
Sent via--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm MrX. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Ghost Thief, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. - MrX 02:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @MrX:Im guessing this is so a second opinion can be made? LorChat 03:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought since there were no sources, it would be good to get other new page reviewers to look at it.- MrX 03:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Re: coffee
The WP:Huggle tool is great for finding and reverting vandalism. If you have rollback permissions I highly recommend it - and if you don't, I recommend you consider requesting it. --Richard Yin (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Richard Yin: I think I will! Otherwise, good work! LorChat 23:48, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
editor listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ''editor''. Since you had some involvement with the 'editor' redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 06:05, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: What's this about? I've never seen the page 'editior' and when i look at the link you gave me i see nothing related to what your saying on the page. Mind explaining in more detail? LorChat 01:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Lor, I notified you because you created the redirect. By the way, I can understand how the link to the discussion may be a bit confusing; on the above-linked RFD page, ''editor'' is listed in the first nomination of the day ... the one where I nominated 357 redirects at once. (Yeah, I realized that after I created the nomination that the anchor redirects do not work since all the nominations are encapsulated in "collapsed" templates.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: hmm..never noticed that I put quotation marks in the title of it. Feel free to delete it. LorChat 01:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 03:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Rollback granted
Hi Lor. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:
- Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
- Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
- Rollback should never be used to edit war.
- If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
- Use common sense.
If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! — MusikAnimal talk 20:58, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The move from Bugzilla to Phabricator is done. You can now report bugs in Phabricator. [31]
Problems
- There was a problem when editing tables in VisualEditor. VisualEditor was trying to fix bad values for the
colspanorrowspanoption. VisualEditor now leaves the bad values to avoid making things worse. This was fixed on November 17. [32]
Software changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf9) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 19. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 25, and on all Wikipedias from November 26 (calendar).
- You will be able to try VisualEditor on many new wikis for the first time. After November 26, VisualEditor will become available on Wikidata, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews wikis. You can find it in your Beta options. [33]
- VisualEditor now tells you if your edit needs to be approved. [34]
- You can now use VisualEditor's tools directly when you resume editing after closing the save window. [35]
- VisualEditor's table editing tools now work better in right-to-left languages. [36] [37]
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19:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
"Thanks for explaining how to better edit the MDMA pages"
Thanks for explaining how to better edit the MDMA pages. I will add explnations for my edits, as you suggest. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.54.200 (talk)
- No problem LorChat 06:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
User:Optimistulsteruni2
I don't see how a draft about the Belfast transit system is a G11... don't bite the newbies! §FreeRangeFrogcroak 02:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
But my teeth are sharp and everything Will do, sorry about that. LorChat 02:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
The Signpost: 26 November 2014
- Featured content: Orbital Science: Now you're thinking with explosions
- WikiProject report: Back with the military historians
- Traffic report: Big in Japan
Draft:Crawfish_Interactive
I'm in the middle (right now) of editing this so that I can re-submit the page (it was declined last week). I only just fixed the references (in the last hour) when you reverted it back to the original, saying that I "recently removed some content from Draft:Crawfish Interactive with this edit, without explaining why". Seeing as this is a draft and that the changes I'm making were advised so that it will be accepted, why do I need to explain the changes? I only have limited time today until next weekend to do this, so I don't really have time to re-do all of this again. Frosty1000 (talk) 00:49, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Help request
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can't seem to make your wiki standards. please delete page Sarah Christie Hamilton. have tried several edits and they all come up with more flags.
Healthyharmony (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)health harmony.
What is my fault?
I tried to put my edits but you gave me warnings. Why is it so?
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The Signpost: 03 December 2014
- In the media: Embroidery and cheese
- Featured content: ABCD: Any Body Can Dance!
- Traffic report: Turkey and a movie
- WikiProject report: Today on the island
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent software changes
- All users are now getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. [38]
- You can join a video chat about Phabricator on December 11 at 18:00 (UTC). Phabricator is the new tool to report issues. [39]
Problems
- There was a problem with Phabricator on November 29. It was due to a network issue. [40]
Software changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf11) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since December 3. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from December 9. It will be on all Wikipedias from December 10 (calendar). [41]
- You can now exit VisualEditor by pressing the "Esc" key. [42]
- It is now easier to use VisualEditor with IMEs. Typing in Malayalam now works better. [43] [44]
- The new version of OOjs UI fixed many issues with the size and layout of buttons in dialogs. [45] [46] [47]
- (Lua) You can no longer use
mw.text.unstripto get the HTML from special page transclusion. You can see a list of scripts to fix. [48] [49]
Future changes
- Starting next week JavaScript tools won't work if they use jQuery Migrate. [50]
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17:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you
Accidentally I did. And thanks for the edit. I am new to wiki and am in the process of learning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kastly18 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Trying to Get Bio Page Formatted
Of course, I really appreciate someone taking the time to provide all of this information. Unfortunately, I had found the vast majority of it already, and I'm attempting to follow it "to the letter." Perhaps I'm going about it wrong, but I'm not sure this addresses my stumblingblock because I've done these things and still remain, how should I say it, "stoopid"? I've been "playing in the sandbox," and thinking I could put things together in a text doc, the paste them into a template, and end up with something that, accepted or not (yes the person is "notable" (pictures of meetings between this person and Mr. Clinton, more recently Mr. Netanyahu, and no, she has no page yet which is why I said, "You should have a Wiki page!" thinking I could do it...) looked like every other similar bio page. I can paste in the bio, create links, flag key words, but things like a side panel that should be there, at least for the template I'm using, never lines up correctly, I just don't seem to have found what I should have found. As I first posted, I thought there has to be a "bio template" where the items themselves guide me to what needs to be pasted there, wherever relevant, and "that's it." Even reverse engineering a page, looking at the source from a bio that is close to what I want and using it to replace items would work. I'm probably just wasting your time and being dumb, but sending me back to a large number of pages I read and perhaps just didn't understand still didn't answer the simplest question. I'm sorry, again, to have taken your time and I really do appreciate the fact that people like you are here trying to help everyone. It has led to a wonderful resource I use constantly (and yes, I did my part several times over trying to help fund the project). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.39.146 (talk) 17:40, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Current content also does not have source related to it
They have mentioned that movie getting mixed reviews and criticised for unwanted dialogues. But the source is not clear for that too. So please remove that comments also — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.196.131 (talk) 08:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Current content also does not have source related to it
They have mentioned that movie getting mixed reviews and criticised for unwanted dialogues. But the source is not clear for that too. So please remove that comments also — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.196.131 (talk • contribs)
- Can you give me a Diff? LorChat 08:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Update removed on Northern New Mexico College Page
Hello Lor,
I simply updated this page to reflect changes in personnel and other facts about the college. Why is this less than neutral? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.231.250 (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Problems with GregKaye
| Okay, I'm closing this section. Make a new section if you want to chat on this subject. Cheers LorChat 05:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC) |
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I was recently accused of edit warring. Because of this, I would like to report GregKaye's activities. I looked at the talk page, and he appears to be editing the article contrary to what the majority of the editors agreed to. Unfortunately, I'm new here, and I don't know how to report disruptive editing and edit warring. Would you be able to help me out? GregKaye appears to have been doing this for quite some time, and he has sparked multiple heated arguments with other users. I was simply trying to add to the categories what the majority of the other users appeared to agree to. I really think this user should be reported, but I don't know how. Could you please inform me of the proper procedure for these situations? Thank you. Anasaitis (talk) 22:30, 12 December 2014 (UTC) I see that you explained the 1 revert rule on my talk page. Thank you for that. I wasn't sure what I had done wrong. Anasaitis (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thank You!
Thank you Lor for the help! I'm looking forward to editing. --Mediajunkie002 (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Mediajunkie002:No Problem
LorChat 23:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Lor:Can you suggest any articles that I could edit?--Mediajunkie002 (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Mediajunkie002: Not really. I just suggest that you edit what you want to edit! LorChat 00:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Lor: How can I change an image for a page? --Mediajunkie002 (talk) 00:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Mediajunkie002: You can add an image to a page by clicking the small icon of a photo on your toolbar. Enter the name of the image and you should be set. I also suggest you look at The talk page guidelines as they may help you understand how talk pages are meant to be formatted. LorChat 00:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Maplestory 2 Logo
I've provided an updated rationale that follows the Wikipedia guideline. Could you check it out? Redflorist (talk) 02:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Redflorist: Cheers, also. Remember to leave new messages to the bottom of talk pages. Per guidelines at WP:TALK. Cheers LorChat 02:19, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello
Hey Lor, I'm sorry about that. I just thought it would be funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:AF24:9299:7039:BAFD:3848:B32C (talk) 03:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Article Nominated for Deletion
Hi. I have posted a comment on the talk page of the article. Could you also explain which part of the policy it didn't follow? Thanks. Hailey Girges (talk) 04:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
"I'm sorry about that, I'll stop."
I'm sorry about that, I'll stop. Thanks for letting me know it was wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BamaNation365 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The Signpost: 10 December 2014
- Op-ed: It's GLAM up North!
- Traffic report: Dead Black Men and Science Fiction
- Featured content: Honour him, love and obey? Good idea with military leaders.
Friederich Paulus article
Lor, Hi! I wished to contribute to the article the information that Paulus in his own words and also those of his aide-de-camp state that there was no decision to surrender, they were taken by surprise and captured that morning. I have cited two sources: The book 'Stalingrad' by Anthony Beevor (page 390), and an article in the (Soviet) Russian magazine 'Sputnik', published (in English) in 1968, that quotes from Colonel Wilhelm Adam's diary; Adam was Paulus's aide-de-camp, and was with him that morning when they were captured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.112.141 (talk) 05:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Fair enough, re-add the content if you wish. LorChat 05:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure I've done that properly; could you do this for me please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.112.141 (talk) 05:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sadily, i'm not the best at references either. Try reading WP:REF. Also read The talk page guidelines for the next time you post on a talk page. LorChat 05:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
"There are multiple consequences of different attachment patterns that are formed in childhood development"
Well, it certainly is far more inclusive and neutral an introduction instead of the negative connotation of "multiple consequences of different attachment patterns." Consequences has a rather negative connotation.66.74.176.59 (talk) 07:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? LorChat 08:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I just pull things out of clear air and put them somewhere in the world. Why do you question that?66.74.176.59 (talk) 08:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)