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Uzwiki

Hi there! We noticed that you have a userpage on the Uzbek Wikipedia. If you need help translating something into Uzbek on your userpage or in an article, let us know! Nataev (talk) 08:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I am completely ignorant of Uzbek and the most I could ever add to your project is interwiki links and pictures, but I'm grateful for your offer! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Take a look at this if you have time. Nataev (talk) 08:13, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Censorship Although I am ignorant of Central Asia, I do know that post-Soviet strongmen rule the -stans. I suppose you should be lucky that you never had a maniac like Niyazov running your country. I honestly appreciate the hard work of everyone who wants to spread free culture and knowledge in places that are less free than my home. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. Central Asian states are still run by strongmen. Even though uzwiki is blocked in Uzbekistan, we're doing our best to contribute to and improve it. One of our user has been working on making uzwiki pages load on a secure connection by default. That would be very helpful. Nataev (talk) 08:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Secure connections I wish I could be of some technical help as well, but I'm too ignorant and impotent there as well. If the Soviet Union can fall non-violently, then so can the -stan strongmen (just look at Burma!) Until then, I suppose you have Tor. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Just being nice

Hey. just wanted to say, the WikiCookie and WikiKitten was just my once-daily Random Act Of Kindness. Not an atempt to get you to help me. Thanks anyways! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmartyPantsKid (talk • contribs) 18:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

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Harmonia Mundi live albums

The speedy notice explicitly states, "If this category does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself." You did not read the "but". --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Huh I wonder why that would be... What's the point of that? If I populate the category, why wouldn't I take out the notice? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The creator may remove the notice because he doesn't want it deleted or he may repopulate it after the notice is placed with articles that may not be appropriate for the cateogry. There may be good reason the category was emptied, so the creator will need to contest the deletion. If not that, all you have to do is repopulate, not remove the tag, and let an administrator verify its contents and not delete it. That will save yourself a step. It's not going to get deleted with a legit article in it anyway, and it follows procedure. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you please,please,please Adopt me?

I'm new here to Wikipedia. I have so many questions about editing, contributing to Wikipedia and creating my first article. I need to learn how to navigate processes and policies and guidelines. I also need help with article creation and image uploads and any other activities on Wikipedia. And I couldn't think of a better way to do all of that than to learn from the best. So will you? :-( (talk) 9:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Date pages

Please stop changing the dashes on the date pages. More to come. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 19:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Dashes Why? Did you see WP:DASH? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Did you see Template:Editnotices/Page/August_31? WP:DAYS? I'll be right back. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 19:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Remember this conversation? This is especially troubling since we went over this before. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 19:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Rollback I see that you've rolled back my edits. I'm confused as to why dates are supposed to be different from the rest of Wikipedia's articles. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:38, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I think this statement from WP:DAYS sums it up. "In keeping with the layout in the template, entries should be formatted using – because it is easier to be consistently duplicated in new entries. Often editors will use the - instead of the – without knowing the difference. Since – is proper for these pages, it is better to leave them as –." Most editors don't know the difference between - and – and use them interchangeably. In order to keep the date pages consistent, and since there are an awful lot of – on the pages, it's best to use the –. This was originally implemented back in April 2009 and it's been very good at keeping the pages consistent. In fact, WP:DASH even says "type them in as –" so the date pages are not outside of the guideline. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 00:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Formatting I don't understand how that is easier and WP:DASH actually says "type them in as –" or to use the pull-down menu, which would insert the character itself. Controlling the formatting on these pages is actually fairly easy, especially since you (and others) watch them and since you could even create a bot that solely enforces dash consistency on those pages. It would require little to no effort and ensure that the Manual of Style isn't broken on account of this series of articles. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

"Or" indicates that either is acceptable so there's no damage to the MOS. Most users, especially new users, probably don't know that the insert pulldown exists or what it does or, in this case, that it's necessary. I've been here quite a while and I've never touched it. If you don't know the difference between - and — you're not going to know that you need to do anything other than hit - on the keyboard. In the time since the change was made, the number of formatting inconsistencies have been very few and very obvious to fix. In passing, an editor may not notice that one line has a - and the next has a —. But anyone can see the difference between - and –. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 18:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Formatting Well, it would be easily fixed manually or automatically, as I pointed out. The brokenness is not that an HTML string is introduced instead of a character (although that is a problem), but that non-breaking spaces aren't being introduced before ndashes. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

The argument that a nbsp is necessary to prevent the end-of-line displacement of elements that would be awkward at the beginning of a new line isn't a concern as these ndashes are all in the same place in the line and are never near the end. I suggest that &nbsp— is a more convoluted solution to a problem that doesn't need fixing. Can we agree that WP:BROKE is appropriate here? -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 19:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's Get Started

Thank you so much! I would love to get started through our emails. My email is oldschoollover8@gmail.com. And again, thank you very much! 71.51.242.32 (talk) 3:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

TV.com TFD

Would you consider adding the Tv.com show, Tv.com anthology, Tv.com episode, and Tv.com episodes templates to your deletion discussion? Completely relevant, and I would support deleting those too. -- Wikipedical (talk) 19:07, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Sure Since the conversation shifted to something I didn't anticipate, I wasn't sure if bundling these was the right idea, but I'll add them now and leave a note saying that a delay in closing the discussion might be warranted (although I'm sure they will all be deleted.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Following the result of your TFD, I nominated the other TV.com templates for deletion, see the discussion. -- Wikipedical (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Artist albums categories

Good job. You are an epic boss at this site. You are able to not hug da panda. DPandaOPande (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)DPandaOPande Please be careful when replacing direct category declarations with {{albums category}} on an artist albums category, as it may result in undesirable or incorrect new categorization. Just as one example, you added the template to Category:Veal albums, resulting in that category getting filed in Category:Veal — but Category:Veal pertains to the food, not the band, and thus Category:Veal albums does not belong in it. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 17:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Renaming This would be solved by speedy renaming the categories to match the main articles, and I've proposed hundreds to be renamed. They eventually got contested, so Mike Selinker listed several as an apparent test case at CfD--they all passed with little to no objection, so I'll keep on nominating the rest. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:49, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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List of amateur adventure games

Hello Koavf, I removed the prod from the above article as it has been previously proposed for deletion. Thank you. Rotten regard 17:51, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hand-coding

Hey all :).

I'm dropping you a note because you've been involved in dealing with feedback from the Article Feedback Tool. To get a better handle on the overall quality of comments now that the tool has become a more established part of the reader experience, we're undertaking a round of hand coding - basically, taking a sample of feedback and marking each piece as inappropriate, helpful, so on - and would like anyone interested in improving the tool to participate :).

You can code as many or as few pieces of feedback as you want: this page should explain how to use the system, and there is a demo here. Once you're comfortable with the task, just drop me an email at okeyeswikimedia.org and I'll set you up with an account :).

If you'd like to chat with us about the research, or want live tutoring on the software, there will be an office hours session on Monday 17 December at 23:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office ^connect. Hope to see some of you there! Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Richard Nixon talk page notice

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Mixtape albums by year

Do you think we need this scheme yet for Category:Mixtape albums by year? It still doesn't seem that many overall to require this level of diffusion, although I guess eventually it will get there. There was a CFD last year in which these were deleted (see Category:Mixtape albums by date). Just wanted to pass it by you for your thoughts. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 03:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Mixtapes Part of me thinks it can be speedily deleted as recreation of deleted material, but at the very least, we can use AWB to add up how many mixtapes there are and see if it requires diffusion. In the case of (e.g.) Category:Debut albums, that got large enough to warrant diffusion and diffusing by year is actually meaningful, whereas (e.g.) Category:Debut albums by genre and Category:Heavy metal debut albums would not be as meaningful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the greeting

Thanks. Actually, I'm still down to work together--I actually felt like I was the one who got distracted! (For much of 2012 I was focusing on off-wiki obligations). Right now I'm in low-contribution mode while I take of some IRL things, but I'm totally willing to resume work on Green and maybe other projects when I can. Keep in touch. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Merger nomination

Template:Coptic Popes is nominated to merge with Template:Patriarchs of Alexandria. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 09:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

	Happy Holidays!
	Hi, Koavf! Have a happy and safe season, and a blessed new year! Holiday cheers, --Discographer (talk) 19:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

song|class=redirect

Hi Koavf,

I notice that you have created some talk pages for song redirects lately. These contain just the template song, without any parameters. Unfortunately, this results in the page being put into the category Unassessed song articles and adds to the number of unassessed pages for WikiProject Songs, here http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Songs#Progress. For an example see http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Talk:I%27m_a_Bad,_Bad_Man&oldid=529695183.

So someone has to assess them on the quality scale and add a class=redirect parameter to the song template. This results in the redirect page being removed from the Unassessed song articles category and put into the NA-Class song articles category. See http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Talk:I%27m_a_Bad,_Bad_Man&direction=next&oldid=529695183 for an example.

Would it be possible to include the class=redirect parameter (in appropriate cases) when you create the talk pages?

Happy Christmas — Peter Loader (talk) 17:36, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Classes I added a few, but I figured I'd get done tagging before assessing. I'm in the "Li"s now. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:45, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that makes sense — Peter Loader (talk) 21:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

R.E.M. discography

Saw your revert to my edits over at the R.E.M. discography. How can I incorporate my edits to the article more smoothly for assessment? I've saved a draft of my last revision to the page as a user subpage for the meantime. Perhaps editing each section individually, with the changes explained in the edit summaries? Holiday56 (talk) 12:49, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Exactly Editing each section individually would be perfect. You've done a lot of good work here, but I think that the change in question lost too much. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Ted Niceley

Just noticed you re-directed Ted Niceley to Ted Nicely. Just did some quick research and this appears to be incorrect. Allmusic[1], Discogs.com[2] and even his own LinkedIn profile[3] suggest that the original spelling is correct. Can you comment on the rationale behind the re-direct? Maybe I'm missing something. Thanks. --Yankees76 ^Talk 14:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Spelling I created some content here years ago with "Niceley" (the correct spelling) and recently stumbled across Ted Nicely (the incorrect spelling) and assumed that I had been wrong originally. Whoops a daisy. It's time to ask for a move. Thanks! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I caught it because I noticed someone else making the correction[4] on another article, and dug a little deeper. We might have to go and fix a few more of these corrections. I just noticed the Nicely spelling on the Fugazi page. Cheers. --Yankees76 ^Talk 19:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Gratifaction

Hello. I just processed a speedy deletion of Talk:Gratifaction, which you created three days after it and the main article (Gratifaction) were deleted via WP:PROD. The sole content was {{song}}, via AWB. Outdated list of pages to edit? Best, Mackensen (talk) 15:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Exactly If you want to slough through my edits, you'll see that I generated that list a week ago, maybe? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:50, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Nah, no need. Just wanted to make sure that's all it was. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 21:31, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Robotic Richard Simmons.png

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Fixing www subdomain

Thanks for catching that error on my userpage, Justin! Undead q (talk) 01:55, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries! If you ever want to collaborate on some vegan recipes, then let me know (is it okay if I sometimes have dairy?) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Hello Sir, You are really a great Wikipedian....hats off... Mkg just4u (talk) 16:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I am so much impressed by your number of contributions to wikipedia...the highest ever...really hats off....thanks for considering me--Mkg just4u (talk) 14:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	You are very good at editing Wikipedia, and I hope many other people out there who will make you as a role model. Aldo samulo (talk) 05:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks How kind of you to say. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Category:Albums conducted by Ross Bagdasarian, Sr.

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WP Category: People of Levantine-Greek Orthodox descent

Dear Justin/Koavf,

Since you seem to be a rational soul and know about Greek philosophy, Early Christianity, the MENA area, and the "Byzantine" (no pun intended!) subtleties of 'old European' cultural categorization and Church(es) history, I’m writing to draw your attention to the fact that some reckless Wiki-Boeotians want to delete the “People of Levantine-Greek Orthodox Christian descent” and the “American of Levantine-Greek Orthodox Christian descent” categories!

See this page

Your erudite editorial help in the current « deletion debate » would be appreciated

Cordially,

--B.Andersohn (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 January 6#Four more Simpsons images

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We need help

Hello,
We are having a difficulty in reaching consensus regarding the genre of Kyuss, which we are discussing here. The discussion also includes the credibility of Allmusic. As you are a skilled and a reliable contributor, we'd be grateful if you could participate in our discussion and help us to reach a consensus. Thank you. Myxomatosis75 (talk) 17:34, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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Bad fix

This kind of edit should count -10 on your edit total to make you slow down and look at the problem before fixing it. Dicklyon (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

What? I have no idea what you're talking about: the mark-up for the file was misformatted and I fixed it, the article had no lead so I tagged it. What's the matter? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The matter is that you didn't look at the immediately preceding edit and revert the vandalism. A half-assed fix that hides vandalism from view is much worse than no fix at all. Dicklyon (talk) 00:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism Sometimes I revert vandalism, sometimes I don't. If I went through the edit history every time I saw an article that had a problem, then I would never sleep. Instead, I tagged it so that users who are either interested in the topic or who are interested in adding leads to articles can fix it. Evidently, you are one of those two groups, so it got fixed. I don't understand what your point is. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The only reason it got fixed is that I saw it on my watchlist seconds before you "fixed" it. If you're going to fix things, it's best to at least see if those things are due to the immediately preceding edit, so you can fix them properly. Dicklyon (talk) 02:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I appreciate your attempt to be helpful, but you're being really rude and I've already explained to you that I don't have the time or energy to go through every edit history when I see a problem with an article. I did in fact fix it and if you don't think that I fixed it enough, then I'm okay with that. I'm glad that you have it watchlisted so that you can fix it even better, but I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here. No one on Earth is going to do what you want just because you come to his talk page and act rude to him. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The point of my original comment, "should count -10 on your edit total", was that your quest for huge numbers of edits where you don't have time to see if they make sense is doing more harm than good, and that you ought to somehow feel a penalty for the harmful ones. I get that that doesn't fit your style. Dicklyon (talk) 04:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay Being ruder won't make me more liable to listen to you. Kind of the opposite, actually. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Category:English-language albums

Hi, I was dismayed to notice you adding pages to Category:English-language albums. It seems to me that Category:English-language songs is absolutely an example to follow with this category. Can we just implement this, or do you think I should take it to CFD? – Fayenatic London 18:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

What? Why are you dismayed? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

No offence intended... it seems a pointless labour to me. Do you think it's useful, with a vast population repeating nearly all the contents of the Albums tree? Category:English-language singers was the precedent followed here for songs. – Fayenatic London 20:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Precedent English-language singers and English-language songs weren't further divided into categories that also diffused other categorization schemes. And I still think that those deletions were erroneous anyway. By this line of thinking, we would convert all English-language media categories. Plus, the assumption that things are in English because this is in English is frankly asinine. This scheme has existed for years and I've been adding articles to it for years. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Grammatical Question

Hi Koavf

I hope you are in highest degree of healthiness. I have been looking for an answer for old Grammatical Question! That could be your kind if you reply it.

we say: Abraham Lincoln was 16th President of the United States. now wecan ask: who was 16th President of the United States? the answer is Abraham Lincoln. I have been searching for the question that answer is <<16th>>. Alborzagros (talk) 09:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Question I'm not sure what you mean. What is confusing? The correct wording is "Abraham Lincoln was the sixteenth (or 16th) President of the United States". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

please make a question for the answer of <<16th>> as the answer of question below is <<Russia>>.

WHICH COUNTRY IS LARGEST IN THE WORLD?

Alborzagros (talk) 09:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

16th Which letter of the alphabet is sixteenth? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

maybe I am ill-requesting you. could you plz fill the gap?

.......................................? 16th President of the United States.

Alborzagros (talk) 09:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Lincoln "Who was Abraham Lincoln?" —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

sorry my friend if I take your time. I mean when somebody doesn't know about sequential number of presidency of Lincoln, how could make a questions? the question you've already made has several answers. i need question that answer is just <<16>>.

Alborzagros (talk) 09:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Numbers "Which president was Lincoln?" That question has many answers, but one answer is "Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

plz fill the gap dear friend. Teacher: HI every one today I am going to tell you about Presidents of USA. George Washington was the first president of USA and Barak Obama is last one. one of student:........................? teacher: 16th one.

Alborzagros (talk) 09:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Lincoln "Which one was Abraham Lincoln?" —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

what about: Which president was Abraham Lincoln in order? Alborzagros (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure That works, too. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

thanks for answer. bye Alborzagros (talk) 10:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but "Which president was Abraham Lincoln in order?" simply doesn't make sense to me. I don't think you could ask that question to a native English speaker and expect them to understand it. I think the most idiomatic way of asking this question is "What number president was Abraham Lincoln?" garik (talk) 00:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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What's going on? I definitely didn't give this, but why would someone fake my name? Nyttend (talk) 14:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

No one faked your name. As you could clearly see from the wikicode [5] [6], your name was not contained anywhere. The template used above was supposed to be substituted but was not. It apparently puts the last person to revise the page as the name. You can confirm that in the template Template:Blank WikiLove. Nil Einne (talk) 18:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Online Ambassador related stuff

Hi, Koavf!

I'm just letting you know that I signed up to work with you on this course alongside you. I hope we can work together!

If you'd rather I not work with you, let me know and I'll remove my name. Thanks! ~ Matthewrbowker ^{Make a comment!} 01:52, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries I'll gladly work alongside you--the more the merrier! Thanks for the note and the love. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Ｗｅｓｔｅｒｎ　Ｓａｈａｒａ

I've nominated Ｗｅｓｔｅｒｎ　Ｓａｈａｒａ, which you created, for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 January 16. Nyttend (talk) 14:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Repost of Category:Adult contemporary music albums

A tag has been placed on Category:Adult contemporary music albums requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia, because it appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion process. If you can indicate how it is different from the previously posted material, contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's discussion directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. If you believe the original discussion was unjustified, please contact the administrator who deleted the page or use deletion review instead of recreating the page. Thank you. This looks like a repeat of Category:Adult contemporary albums. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I think you're right--it's a radio format, not a genre. Good catch. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi there!

Hey! I just wanted to say thanks for helping with our class! :) Amyhallstrom (talk) 19:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem Please let me know whatever you or your students need. I reckon I'll make myself available by IM and maybe have "office hours". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Redundant content/fork

I'm having a disagreement with an editor at Talk:The Weeknd#Music... over whether an addition is trivial or not to a musician BLP article. Should the editor's addition of a song accolade and description be distributed to the associated album article, House of Balloons, or to the recording artist's article, The Weeknd, where it doesnt seem to have any biographical relevance (in my opinion)? Feel free to comment here or at Talk:The Weeknd#Music.... Dan56 (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon

Now that your request has been processed, and those categories deleted, it seems you left out two categories? category:Fighting type Pokémon‎ and category:Fictional reptilian Pokémon

-- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

"Too little content" in CfD nominations

If what you mean is "doesn't meet our standards for eponymous band categories", could you please say that? Mangoe (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay Is it not clear why a category should be deleted? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It's not clear because we seem to be applying a stiffer standard for bands than we would elsewhere. Reference to this specific standard adds clarity to the discussion and warns off all of us who would otherwise apply other standards (e.g. we might call for merging the subcats into the category being nominated). Mangoe (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

"At My Most Beautiful"

Thanks for the feedback. Buckley makes a point of calling it the band's first "unabashed love song", comparing it to the more bitter, ironic "The One I Love" especially. In one of the articles I cited Stipe also comments that he had never made a conventional love song before.

By the way, all my work on that page is part of Wikipedia:WikiCup participation this year. How about you join up too? Signups are open til the end of the month. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, I decided to skim my books and see if "Be Mine" and "Strange Currencies" do indeed preempt "At My Most Beautiful" as capital letter Love Songs. Reading up on their backgrounds, I can see how they still wouldn't fit Stipe's criteria. "Be Mine" was partially assembled out of phrases taken from Valentine's candy hearts (at least Stipe says so), and after Scott Litt told the band that if they produced the song "the right way" it would be a huge hit, they decided to do the exact opposite. As for "Strange Currencies", well, I don't want to ruin that one for you unless you want me to. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

"Strange Currencies" is another obsession song. Stipe is portraying a character who can make things happen just by saying them. WesleyDodds (talk) 13:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Pond

Um... would you please explain why you are repetitively tagging Template:Pond as "part of WikiProject Alternative music". --Epipelagic (talk) 10:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

The template is not about any of the various bands named "Pond", it's about the body of water, generally smaller than a lake. Please be more careful about your editing. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Pond (Australian band) The navbox there was misnamed, so all I ever saw was that it had a red "T" for its talk page... —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Bare links

Just a heads up... there is a tool - [toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks] - that you can use to automatically convert bare links into templated ones. It may not get all of them, but it beats tagging for someone else to use it.

- J Greb (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Reflinks I've seen that tool, but I don't personally care for it. Besides, tagging the pages helps other who use it find which pages need it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough - J Greb (talk) 22:44, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject Texas TFD

Thanks for letting us know that this deletion was occurring. You're supposed to let involved parties know that you've proposed the deletion, yet I see NO notice on the WP Texas talk page. Please be cautious in the future when fiddiling around with other projects banners as I know you'd be rightly irritated if the WikiProject Bahá'í Faith banner got so silently deleted. Hasteur (talk) 01:58, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay First off, please don't be rude to me. What's the problem with the banner being deleted? Would you have left some kind of feedback? Why isn't it on your watchlist? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Sarcasm to try and get you to pay attention that technical wonkery "Under 100 transclusions" is secondary to the issue of being notified. If I were to nominate for deletion the Baha'i faith project banner, I'd notify the project's talk page so as to give them an opportunity to object. The banner wasn't on my watchlist becasue I'm primarily involved with one subproject (Dallas) but keep an eye on the Texas page. I only found out about the TFD after the fact when someone came around to remove the template from the WikiProject Texas page. Hasteur (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay Please just say what you mean. I don't understand what the problem is here. What do you want from me? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 January 25#Category:Indian skeptics

Please revisit this discussion. The nominator's rationale has been thoroughly debunked with a large amount of clear proof, but you are still on record as supporting it. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 13:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about this "clear proof" business. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 10:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Howzzit? Can you give me a hand?

Justin, I just uploaded 5 photos of Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young- each has one photo on their article I placed this week. In addition, there's another photo of Stills and Young together on Young's page. Also on Young's page is a photo from the 1970s I uploaded a couple years ago I think. So, here's my problem: the Creative Commons licenses are correct, everything is good, but I forgot to ask the photographers to remove their frames or watermarks from those photos-- making it 5 with watermarks, and that old one with the frame. Can you please help remove those things? Or maybe if you don't or can't, can you find someone who is able to fix those things? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 11:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Watermarks Leah, it's always a pleasure to hear from you. Commons has commons:template:Watermark to notify users that it needs to be fixed. I am not a photo editing wizard, so I can't help there. As far as the cropping goes, I can do that. And I will now. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:28, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on that frame removal. I hate to ask but I found the other Neil Young photo I uploaded from the same guy needing the same attention. If you could do it?... I'd forgotten the darned thing since whoever assembled the "Neil Young Portal" had used it, and so I left it alone to avoid repetition. It's here: [7]. Could you please consider it? Thanks~ --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Done If you need anything, let me know, Leah. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

A minnow for you

Plip!

for your nomination of Category:Los Prisioneros at WP:CfD 2013 January 22. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:32, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

LDS

Yo, Koavf, Latter Day Saints are Christians, but not Protestants. Most LDS would be quite horrified to be so categorized. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Really? This is news to me: LDS/Mormons are part of the broader Millerites/Adventist/Restorationist movement of the mid-19th century. I don't know anything about them not self-identifying with Protestants. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:13, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

As relatively hard-core "Restorationists", they reject the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, but they also reject the authority of Protestantism, maybe even more, since they view it as one more step removed from the ultimate source of authority (Jesus). They don't claim to have been a "break-off" of any other Christian group, since they claim authority was delivered via Jesus's original Twelve apostles (in angelic form). In the past two decades, the Community of Christ (about 1–2% of Latter Day Saints) has been slowly moving towards self-identifying as Protestant, but not The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormon fundamentalists. The Seventh-day Adventists have definitely gone the route of Protestantism, but not most Latter Day Saint churches. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough I knew that CoC was moving toward mainstreaming and that fundamentalists never will by definition, but I didn't realize that the self-designation was not as Protestants. C'est la vie. For what it's worth, if you're going to revert me, the Japanese category was already Protestant when I got there. If you want me to do the work, I can easily. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:20, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I don't mind doing it. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I think one of the issues has been that many Protestants are not terribly excited about acknowledging Latter Day Saints as Christians, let alone part of the Protestant world. So the Latter Day Saints reaction has often been, "fine, we didn't want to be Protestants anyway". Mormonism and Christianity has some discussions about this. I think it is a complex issue, since Mormonism definitely started out with a certain Protestant flavour, but by the 1840s was quite divergent. Most of the debate today centers around whether Latter Day Saints are Christians at all. Latter Day Saints almost always say yes, many Protestants and Catholics say no. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure I know that fundamentalists, some evangelicals, some mainline Protestants, and Reconstructionists would balk at non-Trinitarians being considered Protestants. What I did not realize is that Mormons/LDSers don't consider themselves Protestants. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Here's one of the LDS Church apostles telling a story about how he was asked whether Mormons were Catholic or Protestant (first few paragraphs): [8]. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Restorationist Does that make them any different from other Restorationist/Adventist groups (other than those who have explicitly moved toward Mainline status)? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Those other Restorationist groups are probably the ones that are most similar to Mormons, so they are grouped within that group. Mormons would probably reject such a grouping, as they see themselves as unique, but I think it's a fair classification. I would say that the primary difference is Mormons believe in an ongoing restoration—they have a prophet and new revelation continues to be given. They don't just claim to be a restoration of original Christianity—they claim that their leaders have a "line to Jesus", as it were, and they make minor changes as needed to church structure (and very occasionally doctrine) adapt to changing circumstances in the world. Oh—and the whole "additional scripture" thing—the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. That's a pretty big difference. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Categorization Fundamentally, there are three perspectives to bear in mind here and I'm not sure that any of them has a trump card: Mormons themselves, (other) Protestants, and third-party groups (e.g. religious studies scholars.) Considering how Mormons view themselves, (other) Protestants view Mormons, and how third parties view them can give us a perspective on what to do, but if as you say Mormons don't view themselves as Protestants, then I'm find with upmerging them to more generic Christians. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll search around some of the literature to get some third-party views. I can't recall ever seeing a source that discusses Mormons as Protestants, but I'll try and see if there are any. Not uncommonly, from some Christian writers, they get classified as "cult" or even "new age", but more neutral sources tend to put them in classifications called "new religious movements", "Restorationism", or even I've seen them in "other". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi from Campus Ambassador for Illinois State University

Hi, Justin. My name is Mayuko Nakamura and I'm a campus ambassador for Illinois State University. Thank you for agreeing to help SOC318:Children in Global Perspective. This is my first time helping faculty as an ambassador (I had another class a year and half ago but my involvement was minimal as there was another campus ambassador for the class). I just want to check if it's OK to have students ask you questions by adding a new section. Or would you like to create a section for all questions for Illinois State so you can organize your talk page better?

Mayuko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.87.158.54 (talk) 22:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Whatever works Students can contact me however they see fit: I have even published my phone number so they can call or text. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)