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Problems with Sant Ajaib Singh

{{tn:helpme}} someone is always removing one of my contributions in Sant Ajaib Singh, see talk

Can I suggest that you add a reference to support your addition? At present there is only a link to a Wikipedia article. You should give a reference to a reliable source (see WP:RS. Wikipedia, blogs and forums do not count as reliable sources for this purpose. If you do this, the information should be able to stay - unless someone can prove that your reliable source wasn't reliable. Be careful that you do not break the 3RR rule. You may only revert something three times in one article in 24 hours. There is an exception for reverting vandalism, but this case is content dispute not vandalism. Breaking this rule can lead to blocking from editing for a time. Peridon (talk) 11:52, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

in Sirio Carrapa's page there are lots of references, is this not enough? I made a "reference" section also in Sant Ajaib Singh with a link. --GurDass (talk) 11:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

That reference you give mentions a dispute between supporters of Carrapa and supporters of Sadhu Ram Ji. I think it would be best to either name none or to name all in the case of this disputed succession. Without Carrapa being mentioned, the article is neutral. With only him there, it is not neutral. I think that a discussion should take place on the talk page about this matter, and possibly one of the WikiProjects that deals with Indian religions should be notified for their help. Peridon (talk) 12:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Added Sadhu Ram as one of the successors. I don't know if there exists other successors. Now it is ok? Also linking to Sirio Carrapa in "See also" section is relevant because in that page there is some information about the Subject. If something else is needed please explain me, i'm a newbie... Thanks for everything. --GurDass (talk) 12:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Should be. A reference for Sadhu Ram Ji would be nice - the same one would do as it mentions both of them. Keeps things balanced. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Sadhu Ram page created. It is just a stub because i really don't know nothing about him. But everybody can add more informations.--GurDass (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Great stuff. Peridon (talk) 13:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

a speedy deletion tag was applyed to Sadhu Ram! --GurDass (talk) 13:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I've added a bit including your ref, and a comment on the talk page. If it goes, it can be resurrected (if that's not an inappropriate thing to say...) when more is forthcoming. Should keep us out of mischief. I can't really decline the speedy as I am involved. Peridon (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's still there. I've added what looks like a good link and started the biography bit. If you could do something about the spiritual side, I'll stick to the earthly side... Peridon (talk) 18:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

you are talking about Sadhu Ram, right? As i said before, I don't know him, it would be useful if some of his disciples come here to contribute. I'm a disciple of Sirio Carrapa so I can write a lot about Him. But of course I always try to be politically correct, and as you see, I started Sadhu Ram's page to resolv all the problems. Many thanks to you, the english wikipedia is really a nice place. I can't say the same thing for the italian one... --GurDass (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Contact Me

GurDass Please contact me at dougk@sos.org regarding Sant Darshan Singh Ji edits. I don't see your email address or another way to contact you. Thanks Doug

you can tell me here what you want... i don't understand why you remove wikipedia links from that page! also categories... we can discuss here but please do not remove wiki links from words of the article. Wikipedia is made in this way. --GurDass (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer to discuss in a non-public forum...Please email me. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santmateditor (talk • contribs) 17:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Sant Bani Ashram (Ribolla)

Hi. Nice article! There are three points about editing that you may not be aware of.

• Wikilinks (internal links): items should only be linked once in an article (in very long articles its OK to link to them a second time, but that's rarely the case). Only those items which are likely to attract readers' interest should be linked. Common terms should not be link, nor should years or countries be linked. WP:OVERLINK
• "See also" sections": These sections are for links to articles which haven't been liked anywhere else in the article, yet are related somehow. in other words, nothing which is linked in the article should appear on the list. WP:ALSO
• Categories: Categories are hierarchical. Articles should be in the most specific categories possible, but should not appear in both a parent and a child category. For example, we would not put an article in both the "Sant Mat" and the "Contemporary Sant Mat" category since the latter is already in the former. Likewise, we would put an artist in both "European artists" and "Italian artists" categories, since all Italians are Europeans. WP:CATEGORIES

I know that Wikipedia uses some strange rules, but they make sense. Let me know if I can help you in any way.   Will Beback  talk  07:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

sorry, i just read this message....maybe i undid some of your editings... very sorry! --GurDass (talk) 07:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I should have posted this earlier.   Will Beback  talk  08:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Sant Mat

Your removal of the unsourced negative info about Sant Mat was correct per WP:V and WP:OR--thanks. I'm continuing to watch the article in case the user continues to try to re-add that unsourced info. However, one part of your rationale, on removal of the simran info, was not an appropriate concern for WP. I actually ended up talking to another user about this on my talk page at User Talk:Qwyrxian#Sant Mat, since they alerted me to a different problem on the article. I mistakenly though that that person was you; so you may want to look there at my explanation. Thanks. Also, if you notice the negative unsourced info being added to other articles, let me know and I'll take a look. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Ajaib Singh.jpg

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added source of the photo --GurDass (talk) 07:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk page

Hi. I've reverted your removal of the file discussion on the article Talk page, as we keep old discussions in order to maintain a record of what has been said - old discussions are often archived, but not deleted. Now that the image has been deleted from Commons, we can look at uploading it to en.wiki instead under a non-free rationale - I'll help with that as soon as I can, but I'm very busy at the moment -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

MANY THANKS! --GurDass (talk) 09:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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I created that file just following the instructions found here! In the page there was something about the fact that IF i create this file, the script will work. And now is working. So change that page instead accusing me of doing something wrong. --GurDass (talk) 13:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) All fixed! --Shirt58 (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

thanks :-) --GurDass (talk) 13:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I owe you an apology. As a well established and fairly clueful^{[dubious – discuss]} editor, I should have simply WP:MOVEd this to your userpace in the first place. My bad. Thank you for your patience with me!--Shirt58 (talk) 10:34, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

No problems, you are welcome!--GurDass (talk) 11:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Ajaib Singh

Hi. I've reverted your change to the categories on Ajaib Singh. It is not necessary to be "bonded to a single religion" to be considered a religious leader. The term is very broad, and is probably appropriate for just about any leader who teaches anything religious or spiritual, so I think Ajaib Singh clearly fits the category. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

the teachings of this Master contains a clear, strict difference between religion and spirituality. Categorizing Ajaib as a religious person is a kind of offense to him and his life's message. I can't agree with you. How we can solve this? --GurDass (talk) 11:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, OK, if it's not the "not a single religion" argument, then I'm more sympathetic - can you differentiate between "religion" and "spirituality"? What kind of spiritual existence did Ajaib Singh advocate? (But to answer your question, if we can't agree then we should probably take it to the article's Talk page and perhaps ask others to help, but I'd quite like to have a preliminary discussion here first) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

i think that the concept of the difference between religion and spirituality in Sant Mat is well explained in a short essay by Sirio Carrapa (who was disciple of Ajaib Singh in a very strict physical contact for twenty years). Googling for an english translation i found it here: http://jesseshanson.wordpress.com/sirio-carrapa-ji/ Just search for the text "Religion it’s a prison, Spirituality it’s the Path that leads to freedom", it's near the half of the page. Of course both Kirpal Singh and Ajaib Singh well expressed the same concept, but making a research in all their books it would be a very long work. For Kirpal maybe it's easier, he wrote more on the subject. Just as an example, Kirpal was the president of World Religions Conference for many many years and his purpose was to demonstrate that each and every religion is "right" and just a different "language" to relate to the same Divine Reality.--GurDass (talk) 06:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Pls do not edit Guru Ravidass Page

We know that "Ravidass" was the name but Guru can be prefixed as a respect even if its name only its inherent to it so consider full name as GURU RAVIDASS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superiorfaither (talk • contribs) 19:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

i don't agree with your request, maybe is better to ask to somebody more experienced --GurDass (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello. First of all, thanks for calling someone over. Second, if you are having a dispute about an article, please start a topic on its talk page (see the top of the article page) and seek consensus there. However, you can't tell people not to edit the page, because that's not what Wikipedia's about. Also please remember not to edit war, as this could get you blocked from editing. Thanks. --andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 23:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

As you asked for a "more experienced" opinion, I decided to have a go - the infobox name now resembles the name given in the actual article, so I guess that's fine for everyone? --andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 23:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

my doubdt is: every Sant Mat Guru received this treatment, the title guru was removed from his name and the article was renamed. So, i think, the same shoud be apply to Ravidas. It does'nt change anything to me but maybe the same way of doing should be apply every time and not make differences... --GurDass (talk) 08:47, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

just for example if you search Sant Kirpal Singh it goes to Kirpal Singh. The same was applied time by time to all Sant_Mat_gurus --GurDass (talk) 08:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

That's an interesting point. I started a discussion for you at the Talk:Guru Ravidass page. I also mentioned this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ravidassia. I see there's also some discrepancy over whether his name is spelled with one or two s's, so brought that up at the same time. If you'd like any further help, contact me on my user talk page or put a {{help me}} template up on your own user talk page and someone will be along to help you. :) Banaticus (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Attack and help request

Are u a complete idiot, or just a partial idiot? A complete idiot has an IQ under 50, whereas a partial idiot has an IQ under 75. Judging by your actions, you are probably a partially complete idiot, smarter than a tulip, but maybe not as bright as a sicamore tree. Good luck to u... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.51.33 (talk) 05:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

There wasn't a question asked, and thank you (sarcastic) for insulting any editor that comes along, because anyone can answer a helpme request. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 07:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

uhm i am NOT the author of this insults, i am the victim!!! what should i do for this?--GurDass (talk) 07:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I know you didn't do it. Sorry if I didn't make it clear. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 08:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

In cases like this, the best thing to do is warn the writer that WP has a strict No personal attacks policy. I've now warned him for you.

Feel free to delete his attack if you'd like. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 07:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

it's not the first problem i have with this user, he vandalizes often Ajaib Singh page so i think is best to wait to delete --GurDass (talk) 11:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Fun

Q - is a moron of the highest order an oxymoron? please tell us gurd ass... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.69.46.131 (talk) 03:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

nice man! thanks! GurDass (talk) 06:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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{{Help me}}

I ask for a final decision on this deletion. I really think there is no element to delete this page. It is well sourced with links taken from newspapers, indepentent sant mat websites and the Center for Studies on New Religions also talks about this place. That is a not-common place, free and non-profit. A week is passed and nobody except for the user that originally asked for deletion agreed with him... --GurDass (talk) 18:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

It will get done, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion - 2nd Feb has just been completed.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

FUN

AJAIB SINGH ARTICLE tell this @#$% moron called GURD ASS to @#$% off and remove his Bull@#$% from the Ajaib Singh page, you #$%WE moron... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.195.154.193 (talk) 09:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

LOL! --GurDass (talk) 12:22, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Template

Hi GurDass. Is this Template:Sant Mat better? Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

seems better if we really want a template... so all this people should be in: Sant_Mat_gurus. However.. what is the purpose? Sant Mat has many branches (lineages) and every branch does not want to mix with others... linking a Master of a different branch in the page of somebody else would create confusion and surely many disciples of these masters will start some fight against this :-) I know all these problems sadly... the link to the category is not enough? --GurDass (talk) 17:13, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

better to continue in the discussion page of the template --GurDass (talk) 17:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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