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National Australia Bank

hello there - just how are those images on the "national australia bank" article adding to it ? where do we draw the line ? or should there be images of all majour buildings of nab ? come on: a building is a building - unless there's anything special about it, and there isn't in those two cases! 124.170.67.15 (talk) 11:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

so your explanation is "You're the only editor to remove them. These images do add to the article. If the article was loaded with images then it would be the case but this article has barely got any images therefore these ar". are you saying that any images add value as long as the total number of images in an article is "low" ? sorry, i thought you might want to explain why a photo of a building in which a company maintains offices adds to that company's article. NAB has dozens of buildings it uses. Why are these relevant ? Please explain. PS: you're the only editor who adds those pictures, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.118.71 (talk) 12:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

False Wikipedia Wollumbin information.

Hello Bidgee,

For some unknown reason, a message was sent from you stating we would be blocked from editing, and that our edits were disruptive, while we were attempting to correct false information on wikipedia about Mt Warning.

The correct information stating the official Geoscience Australia Placenames Registry shows the Mountain to the Northeast of Mt Warning is Mt Wollumbin was removed.

This is the official placenames registry of Australia, and shows the Wikipedia Wollumbin info to be false.

Why was this official information removed? And why have these repeated allegations of vandalism been made, while we are trying to correct false Wikipedia information?

Would like to lodge official complaints about the false info on Wikipedia, and a number of Wikipedia people immediately removing correct info, and threatening blocking.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 07:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC))

Hello Bidgee,

Did not remove other messages, added "The official Geoscience Australia Placenames Registry shows the Mountain to the Northeast of Mt Warning is Mount Wollumbin."

That is the official, referenced information.

That it is contrary to the false information on your page is not Wikipedias problem or fault.

Censoring contrary factual referenced information on a Wiki is.

Please read the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People.

To impose Bundjalung nationality on Ngarakwal / Githabul people removes their identity, Languages and Lore.

Eradicates them from existence, breaches many articles of the declaration.

Using white popular myth as fact without including contrary facts also breaches many articles.

Genocide through ignorance is Wikipedia policy?

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 09:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC))

You did remove content but you also added unsourced content. Wikipedia is not censoring and please don't try and use declaration which is no impact on Wikipedia and it's articles since it can be seen as a legal threat. Bidgee (talk) 09:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Wollumbin. Mt Warning is Wulambiny

Hello Bidgee,

I did not make a legal threat, you implied that I did. Are you saying that Wikipedia has no regard for the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People? Met with and addressed the board of the Human Rights Commission of Australia on wednesday and are lodging complaints.

Hopefull we can resolve Wikipedias false Wollumbin information and that this censoring by ignorant uninformed people is over.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Yes you did. "We would like to correct this false site, which breaches the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous people.[1]".

Please assume good faith as calling editors ignorant uninformed people is unhelpful and uncalled for. Bidgee (talk) 07:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello Bidgee,

"We would like to correct this false site, which breaches the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous people" was a statement of fact, not a legal threat. The false information on Wiki breaches many articles. This is our identity.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 07:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

No, It's a legal threat. You clearly said that Wikipedia is breaching the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous people which is like saying that Wikipedia is breaching the copyright act for an article that maybe located on the site. It doesn't have to be "I'll be suing Wikipedia for doing something wrong". Bidgee (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Wollumbin. Mt Warning is Wulambiny

Wrong Wollumbin. Mt Warning is Wulambiny

Thank you AussieLegend and Bidgee for confirming that Geoscience Australia and NSW Geographical Names Board show Mt Warning is not Wollumbin.

Searching "Wulambiny" in Google Books reveals Linguistics Professor Margaret C Sharpe "Dictionary of Yugambeh (including Neighbouring Dialects)" published by Pacific Linguistics in 1998. ISBN 0858834804. Official information.

Professors Brian and Helen Geytenbeek lived with the Elders at Muli Muli from 1961 to 1967. They confirm Wulambiny is the name for Mt Warning.

We have the tapes from NSW NPWS Anthropologist Howard Creamer, who studied The Keeper of Lore, elder Millie Boyd in 1977. She described Mt Warning as Wulambiny Momoli (Turkey Nest). Mt Warning is the silhouette of a Scrub Turkey, separate to Wollumbin, the Fighting Chief, place of death.

My Great Great Grandparents are buried with their friends King Wollumbin Johny and his Queen Ellen, in the Wollumbin clans ancestral burial grounds, 3 ranges and 3 valleys away from Mt Warning.

Elder Millie Boyds son is sitting next to me as I write. My Great Grandfather was named Wollumbin Gum Jimmy by his Aboriginal friends. Gum means crossing, as in Byangum, Tyalgum, Tumbulgum etc. Wollumbin crossing is 3 valleys and 2 mountain ranges away from Mt Warning.

Incompetent researchers did not bother to consult NSW state maps, pioneering families from the mountains, or the Elders when they wrote false local history books claiming Mt Warning is Wollumbin Fighting Chief. Mt Warning has never been a part of Wollumbin parish, and our Mountain was mapped and Gazetted Mt Wollumbin in 1974.

They followed the false white myth that a face can be seen in Mt Warning. As you have confirmed AussieLegend, the official Geoscience Australia site shows my fathers mountain is Wollumbin and Mt Warning is not. Wikipedia Wollumbin info is false.

NSW lands department Maps also show the first village of Murwillumbah, 8 kilometers from where Murwillumbah is today. Murwillumbah moved in the early 1870s. Murwillumbah is New Murwillumbah.

Google murbah then go into History section to find some supporting documents and maps.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Mike Kelly page edits

Hi Bidgee,

I made some edits to Mike Kelly's page and you have reversed them. Can I politely ask for an explanation.

Cheers, E —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.14.81.49 (talk) 01:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

You removed all of the sourced content[2] and replaced it with unsourced content. Bidgee (talk) 01:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

ACTION

Bidgee, I have set up an updated version for the ACTION article (to be released on 25 May 2009) under my user page. You can view this article here User:MartinL-585/ACTION.

As a regular contributor to the ACTION page, I thought you might like the opportunity to review the changes before they are released.

MartinL-585 (talk) 03:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for adding a photo of a Toyota Commuter field car to ACTION's page and Wikimedia Commons. Just one nitpick though, the file names ACTION - 216 104... are incorrect as the number plate is 213 104. MartinL-585 (talk) 03:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I know about the error but haven't got around to re-uploading the image just yet. Bidgee (talk) 03:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Wahkiakum SD Bus 6 2007.JPG

I would like to know why File:Wahkiakum SD Bus 6 2007.JPG was speedily deleted without first giving me a chance to add the correct tags nor without giving me ample time to make the needed corrections. In case you're unaware, not only was the "COPYRIGHT 2007 GILLIGCOACHES.NET" tag on the image my own work, so was the image, and so is the website that image is posted on. I am the webmaster/owner and executive producer of http://www.gilligcoaches.net (see any Whois record, my full name is Steven Rosenow) and that fact is referenced quite blatantly in my own user page. I also find it to be a damning assessment that both that image, and the image it was linked to (both images, including File:Wahkiakum_sd_bus_6_03112007_12.jpg were cross linked to illustrate the appearance pre- and post-restoration), were both deleted from Wikipedia just over that watermark. If any Wikipedia editor or administrator had any shred of integrity, they would've investigated the matter properly, visited GilligCoaches.NET and my User Page, and put two-and-two together. That apparently doesn't happen here (which it should, doing what happened here lacks integrity to the nth degree. I've managed businesses before and you simply do not, I repeat do not act on an issue without investigating the matter first). I also find it appalling and outrageous that the notice to my talk page was posted at 04:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC), and the image in question was deleted just over an hour later at 05:59, 16 May 2009. I was at work both when the notice went out, and when the image was deleted, which left me no time to react properly. Furthermore, I believe that as I, yes, hold copyright to the images that got deleted, I should retain every right as a Wikipedia editor to supply and use those same images that appear on my website GilligCoaches.NET, to be used in articles that they fit into. Again, I request both images be restored, as well as their part in the articles they were part of. Srosenow 98 (talk) 10:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

First of all the images had © 2007 GILLIGCOACHES.NET which you should know the copyright tag on an image means copyrighted, It's not up to me to do a whois search and nor do I know if you're the owner of the works. Demanding is not going to get you anywhere nor is assuming bad faith in which you have done above.

Feel free to upload watermark free images otherwise an OTRS request needs to be sent (This goes for anyone not just yourself). I will restore the image on Commons if you inform me that you have sent the request however I can't do so on Commons (You need to contact the Admin who deleted it).

Please note Commons (The same would apply here) has a policy on that images should not contain any watermarking! Bidgee (talk) 10:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

School bus

Taking a quick look at the article and the talk page, it seems clear to me that that article is about two linked but separate things; the practice of conveying people to school using a bus (of no particular style), and the dedicated type of vehicle used in North America for this purpose. The US editors certainly seem to feel the article is about the latter, while the opinion of others seems to be that the article is about the former.. I would suggest splitting the article, creating a separate article for the US-style bus. I would not want to presume on naming etc., but perhaps a compromise could be found by discussion on the talk page. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 10:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Wagga Wagga

Hi,

You've restored two contradictory pronunciations for Wagga Wagga: "wogga", which would be /ˈwɒɡə/, and /ˈwɔɡə/, which is undefined but would presumably be /ˈwɔːɡə/ "wawga". Could you confirm which is correct? kwami (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

NSW Alphanumeric Road Routes

Hello,

You keep on reverting the updates that i have been implementing on the NSW road routes, please stop as NSW is implementing an alphanumeric road system to keep in line with such states such as Queensland, Victoria and Tasmania —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cymruman (talk • contribs) 05:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Because it's unsourced that NSW has been converted! Bidgee (talk) 05:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Digital Radio Mondiale

Why did you delete TDPradio that we added yesterday? We do not understand the reason for doing so. TDPradio is one of only radio stations that broadcasts daily in stereo in DRM to Europe, North America and soon to Asia. Besides that TDPradio is an official member of DRM, so it deserves a place on the Wikipedia page regarding "Digital Radio Mondiale". Broadcasttransmitter (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Unless you're going to create the article it shouldn't be in the article and it's unsourced. Bidgee (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thylacine, Melbourne

Have you read the links — Wikipedia:IPA for English and Australian English phonology#Relationship to other varieties — I provided in the talk page for Melbourne? – Marco79 05:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

if you insist on using an Australian transcription then perhaps we can use the Australian IPA notation from the Australian English phonology page which would give [ˈθɑeləˌsiːn], please consider this and get back to me with your thoughts. – Marco79 05:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you mind if I make this change? – Marco79 05:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do! MD states /ˈθaɪləsin/ and not [ˈθɑeləˌsiːn]. Bidgee (talk) 05:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I know, but MD is not a true representation of Australian IPA phonetic pronunciation. Australians pronounce "i" as [ɑe] not [aɪ] as Americans and the British do. And it's an acceptable transcription used by Australian linguist, see Australian English phonology for more information. – Marco79 06:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

You see the [ˈθɑeləˌsiːn] is a narrow transcription, whilst the other — /ˈθaɪləsin/ — is a broad transcription used by some dictionaries. And with the representation of local pronunciations in Wikipedia we generally use the narrow variant. Narrow transcriptions are a closer representation of the local accent. – Marco79 06:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but you view and the above article is all based on WP:OR. Stick to the source. Bidgee (talk) 06:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No it's not WP:OR, because they have been published in linguistic books and journals. There are sources for these transcriptions, see this external link Australian English vowels from the Linguistics Dept of Macquarie University. – Marco79 06:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Bidgee,

Actually, your Australian pronunciation of "Thylacine" was incorrect according to the phonology article you linked it to. (You used conventions that were not defined in that article.) I changed it to the general English IPA, since the essential point is that Australians rhyme it with "seen" rather than with "sign" or "sin". The rest is phonetic detail.

As for Melbourne, your edits were again incorrect, if you were justifying them with the philosophy that the local pronunciation is authoritative, since you did not give the Melbournian pronunciation, but the non-local Australian one. In any case, this is an international English encyclopedia, and international English pronunciations come first, unless they're too trivial to bother with. I reverted to the consensus format. If any pronunciation should be deleted, it's the broader Australian one, since that is entirely predictable from the international form. (Actually, so is the local one, if you know about the celery-salary merger, so only the international form is really needed.)

Anyway, the two of you are edit warring over this, which can get you both blocked. If you need help with the dispute, please take it to one of the admins, the IPA-en page, or the like. kwami (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Those pronunciations are in the articles. They're simply in a supported format. If you wish to use a different format, then you need to create something to support it. kwami (talk) 06:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Griffith, NSW

Just regarding User talk:124.179.14.159, just making you aware that the Griffith City Council has approved the use of traffic lights at various intersections, hence my deletion of the statement, "The city of Griffith contains no traffic lights." This is reference by the following newspaper article...just didn't think that I needed to reference a deletion of a statement. [3] —Preceding undated comment added 08:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC).

Yes but traffic lights are not in use yet. Once traffic lights are installed and operating then it can be removed. Bidgee (talk) 08:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Bidgee. You have new messages at Debresser's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

An image related favour

Hi Bidgee, Please see here on my talk page where another editor has asked me for help in the renaming of an image. I haven't done anything in this area for a while so would appreciate your advice or assistance if you have the time.--VS ^talk 23:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks mate.--VS ^talk 06:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Good luck :)

Good luck with that - photo runs are always fun. I've taken some shockers of certain WA MPs :) Orderinchaos 13:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up

Thanks for heads up about the Clarke article, I have attempted a discussion on the Talk page and will be patient in waiting for response. Could you please take a look at the Douglas Schoen article. There's something really odd going on there in terms of the mass deletion of material. Would welcome your views. --Johnnyturk888 (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent pictures

Just wanted to say well done on your recent efforts of late! How did you manage to get the leader of the federal Nationals in front of you, and the rest... good work! Timeshift (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of DAV winners

Hello, I noticed that you have been one of the admins who has deleted the DAV winners page. I would ask that you discuss this matter further with me at the Talk:DAV winners page to resolve the matter. Thanks. Penzance1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC).

122.148.98.116

Can you please keep an eye on 122.148.98.116 as edits seem to be disruptive. I seem to think that User talk:Bwistle is the same editor. Thanks Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 10:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

3RR warning

Bidgee you are reverting edits I'm making so you are the offending party. As anybody can see I gave you ample oppurtunity to respond before making the latest change which you failed to do. Stop being petty and don't think administrators won't take the time to properly review the situation before taking action. RutgerH (talk) 08:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

What the ****? You do have a clear ownership to the article. You have breached the 3RR but I haven't in the last 24 hours. Also the original version should stay until there is a consensus. Clearly you're also using threats which is strongly forbidden. Bidgee (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

CSD

Hi Bidgee. Thank you for your work on patrolling pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I just wanted to inform you that I declined to delete File:GreedySmith-Worstead.jpg, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion under criterion F6 because of the following concern: the image must be tagged as {{frn}} and have a grace period of 7 days. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion and especially what is considered Non-criteria. In future you should rather tag such pages for proposed deletion or start an appropriate deletion discussion. Regards feydey (talk) 14:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

feydey (talk) 14:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Your Block on Wiki Users from North Cyprus

Dear Wikipedian; The Some Wiki Admins are continuously vandalizing Wiki Users (even misusing their administrative rights etc.) and therefore blocking North Cypriot Wiki Users. Therefore, North Cypriot users are producing new usernames to prevent the vandalism against themselves. For samples of Vandalisms, please look at: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Passportguy . We therefore expect you to remove the block in Wiki Commons. SemiColonInSentence (talk) 11:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

The block will remain as 3 accounts have been used to upload/reupload copyrighted images on Commons and are clearly from one editor. Bidgee (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Look at http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Passportguy for the vandalisms of the Wiki user. Passportguy, and one of his Wiki Admin friend are misusing the administrative right. Let me summarize the vandalisms of them (with proofs):

• Deleting the international memberships of North Cyprus and the related webpages of international organizations in which North Cyprus is a member: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Foreign_relations_of_Northern_Cyprus&diff=297533813&oldid=297524254

• Deleting the official informations related with the cities Lapithos, Morphou, Lefkoniko, Lefka (1. The references to the cities' Official Municipality. 2. The emblems of Municipalities of these cities. 3. The Mayors' names of these cities. 4. Link of official websites of the municipalities of these cities.)

• Showing a town (Lefka) to be in more than one cities. (As you know, every town in the world belongs to only one city!) (Thereby, Trying to distrupt the dependency of the Lefka town:

http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Template:Municipalities_of_Northern_Cyprus&diff=297251996&oldid=297228768

• Deleting the most current population census and putting HALF CENTURY OLD POPULATION CENSUS: Passportguy wrote According to the 1960 population census in Morphou's population here: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Morphou&diff=297246137&oldid=297245429 ; Passportguy deleted the most current population census of Morphou in year 2007. We are in year 2009 (as you know, Bidgee). SemiColonInSentence (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

SemiColonInSentence (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Blocked him as yet another VivaNorthCyprus sockpuppet. Seems to be one every few days at the moment. - Peripitus (Talk) 02:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

For the vandal clean-up on my page! -- Banjeboi 20:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

white knight takes RedKing

Thankfully we won't hear from this troll for sometime...Kransky (talk) 11:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

CIA

Oh dear. Here we go, again? Pdfpdf (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

wamoon post office

Hello- the referenced site does represent the most accurate published research, and is virtually typo-free - maybe the PO moved from a public/township location to a private house?? The Victoria section is quite meticulous, the NSW may have some omissions but few errors. Perhaps you could have a look at Coolamon, New South Wales as well. I find the Coleman name a bit hard to swallow, I think it should be Ganmain which makes more sense but I really have no idea so it's been left in

Cheers (Epistemos (talk) 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)).