Template talk:ProQuest

Subscription required

When using this template in a citation, should {{Subscription required}} or |url-access= also be used? I'd appreciate if the documentation could be expanded a bit on its use. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Agree - as there is no indication that you need a login to get to the publication - at least when using a URL you can set the appropriate |url-access= flag. Keith D (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I've added a short note. I don't know about appending {{Subscription required}} inside |id=, it feels possibly messy but I've not checked the consensus on the topic. Can we just add a grey or red lock by default? Nemo 06:36, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

If, as this template's documentation implies, it is intended for use inside cs1|2 templates in |id= then when used there it must obey the rules for identifiers in cs1|2. The pertinent rule is that identifiers are presumed to lie behind a paywall or registration barrier. That being the norm, and because cs1|2 does not highlight the norm, rendering a subscription icon is a violation. What would not be a violation is the rendering of a free-to-read icon when the ProQuest source is free-to-read.

This template depends on {{catalog lookup link}}. At one time, that template was able to render the cs1|2 lock icons. A change required at Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css broke that – apparently no one noticed so perhaps that functionality is not highly valued and should be removed. I need to look into fixing Module:Catalog lookup link to restore that functionality. When I've done that, then this template can be modified to render a subscription icon. But, that icon must be turned off when this template is used in cs1|2 templates

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I have tweaked Module:Catalog lookup link/sandbox and Module:Citation/CS1/sandbox/styles.css to restore access icon rendering to {{catalog lookup link/sandbox}}. You can see it working in Template:catalog lookup link/testcases. If the proposed change to cs1|2 survives, the change will go live at the next cs1|2 module-suite update. Discussion about the change to Module:Citation/CS1/sandbox/styles.css is at Help talk:Citation Style 1 § access icon css selectors.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, what I had been doing (before becoming aware of this template) was using something like {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} with |url=search.proquest.com/docview/id and |url-access=subscription, and placing {{subscription required|via=ProQuest}} immediately following the citation template but within the ref braces. This method seemed to prevent IAbot from archiving the ProQuest login screen as if it was the source document. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

@Reidgreg, Trappist the monk, Keith D, and Nemo bis: I like what you guys are saying. Do you mean that you want it to have the ability to automatically append the "registration required" template? Or at least an option for it? I'd also like to point out that now, the WP:LIBRARY has been updated to allow any Wikipedia account to access ProQuest and EBSCO and such via the free Wikipedia Library Card. So you can read the whole article. But only via the Wikipedia Library url and not via the ProQuest template link at proquest.com. So can you guys add an option for all this? Or maybe make a new template like {{WP Library | id=9999999 | catalog=[ProQuest|EBSCO] | urltype=[direct|wplib] | regreq=yes}} Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 03:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I think the easiest solution is to make this template look like all the subscription-required URLs, with a grey or red lock. Then people can find by themselves how to get a subscription; we cannot pack the articles with advertisements for subscription packages for the thousands of subscription publications we use. Nemo 04:47, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Ok but do you see what I mean about WP:LIBRARY having new proxy links like this compared to this template's links to proquest.com? — Smuckola(talk) 05:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, but that's a job for a gadget. We don't link proxies. Nemo 13:31, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

No, I am not saying that I want it to have the ability to automatically append the "registration required" template. As I wrote earlier, in cs1|2 templates, identifiers only show the free-to-read icon. Outside of cs1|2, any of the icons may be used. To allow for that, this template needs an update; perhaps something like this (untested):

{{Catalog lookup link|{{{1|}}}|{{{2|}}}|{{{3|}}}|{{{4|}}}|{{{5|}}}|{{{6|}}}|{{{7|}}}|{{{8|}}}|{{{9|}}}|article-link=ProQuest|article-name=ProQuest
|link-prefix=https://search.proquest.com/docview/
|list-leadout={{{leadout|}}}
|url-access1={{{url-access|{{{url-access1|}}}}}}
|url-access2={{{url-access2|}}}
|url-access3={{{url-access3|}}}
|url-access4={{{url-access4|}}}
|url-access5={{{url-access5|}}}
|url-access6={{{url-access6|}}}
|url-access7={{{url-access7|}}}
|url-access8={{{url-access8|}}}
|url-access9={{{url-access9|}}}
|allow_icons={{{allow_icons|none}}}
}}

In cs1|2 templates, the content of |id= is not included in the citation's metadata. That means that if this template is the only link to the source from the citation, it will not be available to those who consume cs1|2 citations via the metadata. If you are citing something at ProQuest, and you have a url for that source, it is best to put that url in |url= and add |url-access=subscription (assuming that all ProQuest content is behind a paywall).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Change ProQuest (identifier) to ProQuest

A rather finnicky request, but can |article-link=ProQuest (identifier) be changed to |article-link=ProQuest ? It skips a redirect for a highly used template. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 05:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

No. The redirect is intentional so that Special:WhatLinksHere/ProQuest isn't polluted with thousands of links from this template; see Special:WhatLinksHere/ProQuest (identifier).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Late response, but Special:WhatLinksHere/ProQuest already is polluted with thousands of links from articles where people have used |via=ProQuest. Might be worth having a bot go through and replace those cases with |id={{ProQuest}} - Floydian ^τ _¢ 15:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)