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Undertaker

I think that article should remove that HBK or JBL will go to WM to challenge Undetaker, i'm sure they'll ask way before hand, and there'll be build up.

Another guy to challenge Undertaker for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.139.215 (talk) 08:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there should be anything about an Undertaker match until it is officially announced that he will even have a match and who the opponent will be. That would follow the protocol that applies to everything else on the wrestling articles. Wwehurricane1 (talk) 23:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

HBK vs. JBL is next week. That match will decide who will face Undertaker. It's already in the article. Simon^KSK 23:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well it's wrong because Kozlov will then challenge the winner of that match, so the article is wrong. They won't be going to Wrestlemania to challenge Taker, it will be before hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.1.87 (talk • contribs)

No, you are wrong. I have seen the spoilers for the next 2 SmackDown's and Kozlov made no such challenge (they hinted at it, but that's it). TJ Spyke 19:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Kozlov did challenge Undertaker, as the winner of tonights Raw will meet Kozlov next week on Raw.--Mrrko (talk) 03:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, I was going by by Wrestling Observer wrote (which was before it aired on TV). They said it was hinted at and not confirmed. TJ Spyke 03:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

WrestleMania XXV Poster

Gerweck.net has it at the following link. [1] Steveweiser (talk) 22:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Its wallpaper SuperSilver901 22:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, wallpaper, not poster. WWE does that for most PPVs, make both a poster and wallpaper. We don't know if that will be the poster or not. TJ Spyke 22:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

And since WWE usually has more than one poster for WrestleMania. SuperSilver901 22:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

the poster sometimes (not always, infact not even a majority of the time) shows the superstars competeing in the matches/main events. so could this be the superstars in the main events, tag matches and Money in the bank matches? Markgavin19 (talk) 17:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Nah, the poster is usually made long before any matches announced and don't always have a reason for them. I remember one Judgment Day poster (I think 2007) had Kane on it, yet he only wrestled in a dark match. TJ Spyke 17:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

And Great American Bash 2008 with Rey Mysterio on the poster, yet he never wrestled a match. SuperSilver901 18:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you mean 2007. The 2008 poster had Punk, Triple H, Cena. Michaels and Batista. TJ Spyke 22:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what I meant. --SuperSilver901 23:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Is "The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania" a tagline?

See here SuperSilver901 21:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. That's the official name WWE wants to refer it to as. There were two big discussions on this [to change the official title] before but it was shot down. Maybe in the following weeks that opinion can change. But that's definitely not the tagline. If it weren't the title, they would have called it WrestleMania 25 or WrestleMania XXV on the poster.--TRUCO 01:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, the actual logo says "WrestleMania 25th Anniversary". TJ Spyke 01:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

But does WWE ever refer to the event as that? No, they say The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania.--TRUCO 02:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

They also say WrestleMania 25 i.e. JBL and HBK promo on Raw in which he said he wanted to go to WrestleMania 25 and fight The Undertaker. So there is still a problem with the name.--WillC 04:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, the micro site url does say WrestleMania25. Makes you wonder...^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 06:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the name is actually going to be WrestleMania 25, they have little references to XXV. --TRUCO 16:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I think so too. There's even merchandise up on wweshop.com with a revised logo that reads WrestleMania 25 (Basically, they just took out the "TH" next to the 25 and the word "Anniversary"). With this in addition to the micro site making multiple references to the event as "WrestleMania 25", without making much use of "XXV", again like I said, It does make you wonder. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 21:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you guys ever stop to think they are just going to call it different things but it always going to be WrestleMania 25 yes the tag line is WrestleMania 25 sliver but that not the name of the PPV

Sign your post SuperSilver901 18:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the fact that their promoted name, The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania has a integer and not a roman numeral. Although their are vague references of XXV on their site, the site flourishes with references to the above name of The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania and WrestleMania 25 (like on their schedule to the right on their website).--TRUCO 21:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

What? You can't write XXVth Anniversary of WrestleMania. Also, I would like to point here for a second. As you can see, on the sidebar, it says WrestleMania XXV, not WrestleMania 25, or 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania, or WrestleMani: 25th Anniversary. WrestleMania XXV is the official name, guys. Simon^KSK 21:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Knowing WWE's promoting ways, they can do whatever they want so XXVth Anniversary is possible. In addition, like I stated above, XXV is vaguely referenced on WWE.com (such as your example). In all the results pages of Raw, SD, and ECW, they use WrestleMania 25 or The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania. I think this article is mis-titled IMO.--TRUCO 21:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

XXVth Anniversary is ridiculous and you know it. 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania seems more like a promotional name. It has more impact than WrestleMania XXV. Simon^KSK 21:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Show me a corporate WWE article that uses "WrestleMania XXV" (from 2009). Show me somewhere on the WrestleMania micro-site where they use "WrestleMania XXV", show me somewhere in the TV results where they use "WrestleMania XXV". Show in WrestleMania's event details where they reference it to "WrestleMania XXV". Guranteed that you will find vague results and more references to "The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania". In reality, we have to see the pattern here. In all of WrestleMania's logos and posters, they have the official name of the event. Such as WrestleMania 23, WrestleMania XXIV, WrestleMania 21, and WrestleMania XIX. The logo states "WrestleMania: 25th Anniversary" but the name referenced in wording is "The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania". I see many views on this matter over the fact that renaming the article to "The 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania" will look "ugly". Think about it, the last logo referenced to "WrestleMania XXV" was after WrestleMania XXIV.--TRUCO 21:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Jeff vs. Matt

Will it be Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy after Matt cost Jeff the WWE Championship. On Smackdown 4/3/09 they both have a Money in the Bank qualifing match but they both lose, on Smackdown the 13/3/09 Jeff takes Matt out, possibly leading to a Jeff vs. Matt at Wrestlemania —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.174.121 (talk) 19:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Well we have to wait and find out because it hasn't been officially announced and its just a speculation. --SuperSilver901 23:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Silver is right. And it doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon. Not to give any spoilers away, but it won't happen this week on SmackDown or next week on SmackDown. TJ Spyke 23:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Jericho Vs Rourke

Chris Jericho made a chalenge to Micky Rourke for a match at Wrestlemania, I think it should be noted in the Article. Altenhofen 03:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

No such match has been announced though and it's confirmed that Rourke will not be competing. Maybe if something happens at WrestleMania involving Rourke it could be worth noting. Right now though, I would say no. TJ Spyke 03:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It was on Raw, and I have youtube to back it up (watch full videos).

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Wow, these guys are going far to make this crap look real... Like come on, Larry king???

03:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

That was a while ago, the match has been cancelled and Rourke has been announced to only be a guess at Mania.--WillC 03:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Triple H vs Orton?

Since they started a rivalry should it be included? Boca91 (talk)

No, not unless a match gets announced. We can't speculate that they will have a match (which would violate WP:CRYSTAL) and there would not be a reason to mention their feud otherwise. TJ Spyke 04:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Since there's already a "Undertaker vs. TBD", shouldn't there at least be a "Randy Orton vs. TBD"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nithas (talk • contribs) 19:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

We usually wait until the RR winner picks their title shot. The Undertaker match is confirmed with his opponent being either Shawn Michaels or Vladimir Kozlov. TJ Spyke 19:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Who knows, it might be Taker vs. Michaels vs. Kozlov? Nithas (talk) 19:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Money In The Bank ladder match

there shouldnt be 8 contestants already figured out for the match, because jeff hardy lost out last year, plus due to recent injuries and high profile talent they might knock it back down to 6, or who knows how many and didnt discuss this on raw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.120.170.5 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The source prvoided says Punk has qualified, and that there are 7 more to come. If it changes later, tehn we'll change it, but for now, it it confirmed that there will be 8 participants. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that any match could change before it starts. Jeff was only taken out last year because he got suspended for violating the wellness policy (for the second time). If something changes, we can then change it. As of right now WWE has said it will be 8 wrestlers. TJ Spyke 15:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

WrestleMania XXV or WrestleMania: 25th Anniverdary, which will it be called?

In my opinion, Wrestlemania: 25th Anniversary is much more sutable, plus it fits it well. User: MK God —Preceding undated comment was added on 18:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC).

The consensus said that there would be no name change. SuperSilver901 23:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

It's ridiculous now, the event is clearly not called WrestleMania XXV, but these some of these long-standing Wikipedian-types seem to think otherwise, and of course, they're right, not the WWE. This is EXACTLY why Wikipedia can never be used as a reliable source, because it's, well, wrong... Big Luth (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Not my problem that WWE refers to it with 5000000000 names. The people voted and said they wanted it to stay the same. Sorry... SuperSilver901 01:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Dude's been blocky blocky.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 01:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the name is WrestleMania XXV. When WWE does lists and whatnot, they're not going to be calling it "The 25th anniversary of WrestleMania". It's WrestleMania XXV. Even the link at the top on WWE.com says XXV. Additionally, I hate ackowledging it as the 25th anniversary, when it's not. Njgio (talk) 11:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it actually the 24th anniversary of Wrestlemania (Wrestlemania II was the first anniversary etc)? --Jameboy (talk) 01:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, but WWE bills it as the 25th anniversary. Simon^KSK 01:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Its already mentioned in the article.--₮RUCӨ 01:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Orton

Not sourced, not confirmed, but Orton will be in (one of) the main event(s). He won the Rumble, and is offially in the main event. And don't try to prove me wrong, becasue; like in the discussion about money in the bank, it is most likely going to happen, but may change.

Also, In my opinion, it's gonna be DX vs rated RKO, with Shawn and HHH winning the World hevyweight championship, and WWE championship respectively, then the two of them and the undertaker fighting for the undisputed championship...Altenhofen 03:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum or a news site. So your opinion on what might happen or will is not helpful or needed. Only once it is announced that Orton will be fighting for a title will it be placed in. Orton has a possibility of getting injured or suspended before the event.--WillC 03:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, he may have a title shot but he is not guranteed to be in the main event (take WrestleMania 23 for example. The Undertaker won the Royal Rumble but his title match was only the 4th match out of 8). TJ Spyke 04:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Well if you think about that, he was in Smackdown's main event. So he probably is taking that into consideration.--WillC 05:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we put Orton in the article since he will be facing a champion a Wrestlemaina XXV and put Randy Orton vs. TBA? ThePeepShow 02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

No because WWE has not confirmed it with a published source. Remember in 2006 during the road to WrestleMania 22, Orton beat Mysterio for his Rumble opportunity, and last year when Cena used it before 'Mania XXIV, so anything can happen between now and then, until WWE officially confirms.--TRUCO 03:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok Thankz ThePeepShow 03:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Taker

Why is his break streak match added if it hasen't been officially anounced yet? Please remove please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falegas (talk • contribs) 17:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

It has been officially announced, he will take on either Shawn Michaels or Vladimir Kozlov. So it won't be removed. TJ Spyke 19:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not on the match list yet though.--Falegas (talk) 15:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

They announced it on Raw that it would either be Shawn or Vladamir. SuperSilver901 21:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Money in the Bank table

Wasn't there a table last year for the Money in the Bank qualifying matches or was I hallucinating? If so, should we add it? SuperSilver901 23:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Nope, just a list. [5] TJ Spyke 00:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Henry

He isn't in the match - he's facing Santino Marella tonight--Falegas (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Henry hasn't been confirmed, i don't see why he is added? Nithas (talk) 15:57, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Exactly! And as I can't remove it - can someone please do it?--Falegas (talk) 16:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I've made the changes to the match. Hopefully after tonight's show, we can confirm the next participant.Scca8704 (talk) 16:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Great! Thanks a hell!--Falegas (talk) 16:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I will say that it doesn't help a whole lot to have this article protected, because I had to correct the page because someone decided to jump the gun after the Raw/ECW show in Boston. Need I have to say this again, like others have said before. If you watch the program on TV (Raw, SmackDown, ECW, etc.)in the U.S. and can verify the results on WWE.com or any other legitimate source for any other wrestling promotion, then and only then can we add it to the page.Scca8704 (talk) 06:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Real Names

Why is it that some guys have their real names next to their ringnames, and some don't? It would make sense for them all to have their real names in parentheses next to their ring names with the exception, of course, being for those who use their real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.193.3 (talk) 15:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I disaprove; I think it should be - The Big Show - not - Paul Wight (The Big Show) - If that's what you mean--Falegas (talk) 16:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to Big Show (Paul Wight), because that is the style for wrestling pages now. I don't like it as much, because it panders to non-fans, but it makes no sense for some to follow the rules whilst some don't even though they should. Why should Shawn Michaels not, but Mike Knox has to do it?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.193.3 (talk) 15:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME for the reason why. I don't think we need their real names at all, but some users at WP:PW think wrestling articles have to be more strict with the rules than any other type of article on Wikipedia. TJ Spyke 17:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Edge vs. Big Show

It's not listed under matches on wwe.com. And Vickie only announced that Big Show is the no. 1 contender. Could still be Edge vs. Show vs. Cena. Nithas (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No, she anounced the match, and in my opinion Edge vs Shoe vs Cena is a rumor - possibility. Truth be, I can't find any matches for Wrestlmania on wwe.com, so - help appreciated.--Falegas (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

They've added it again now. http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/ But still, she did only announce that he was the no. 1 contender. Nithas (talk) 16:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No - look - the match is anounced http://us.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/matches/9472972/preview/--Falegas (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Like I just said... Nithas (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Why was this even brought up? The match was announced on Raw, so it would be in the article even if it wasn't on wwe.com. Also, if you had checked the article you would have seen that it was listed on wwe.com since at least midnight. TJ Spyke 17:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I did see the article, i just found it weird that it wasn't listed under matches. And as i've said, "Edge vs. Big Show" wasn't announced on RAW. Nithas (talk) 19:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, yes it was. Vickie announced on Raw that Edge would defend the title against The Big Show, wwe.com even stated that in their live Raw coverage. TJ Spyke 19:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

What Vickie said: "Allow me to introduce to you, the number 1 contender for the World Heavyweight Championship at the 25th anniversary of WrestleMania: The Big Show". But the match has been added on wwe.com, so I guess there's nothing to discuss. Nithas (talk) 19:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Nithas whatever your smoking stop what Vickie said basic was Big show was Number one contender for edge title at WM25 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.110.223 (talk) 23:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, as i've been saying the whole time. But just because Show is the no. 1 contender, doesn't mean Cena can't be added. Nithas (talk) 13:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

So what was your point in creating this discussion?--Falegas (talk) 14:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

That the match wasn't listed on wwe.com Nithas (talk) 16:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

But you said it wasn't anounced--Falegas (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It's right here [6]--ECWAGuru (talk) 16:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Falegas, you're really annoying me now TBH. Why can't you just read what i've been saying. The match was never announced on RAW, and when i wrote the first post, the match was not listed on wwe.com Nithas (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, yes it was announced on Raw. And you are also wrong on the time frame. It was added to wwe.com over 10 hours BEFORE you made that first post. I should know, I added in the reference from wwe.com over 10 hours before you made this section Added the ref Your first post over 10 hours later which shows that you didn't bother checking the source that was in the article. Please get your facts straight before you make false statements. WWE added the match about midnight, while you made this section claiming it wasn't on wwe.com at about 10AM. TJ Spyke 19:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

PLEASE, just read what i've said multiple times. The match was NOT announced. Just because he is made no. 1 contender, does not mean it will be 1 vs. 1, and it does not mean it will be at WrestleMania. And i did check the source. But as i've said, and I guess you didn't bother reading it, it was not listed under Matches on wwe.com when i wrote it. Nithas (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I just watched it again, and Vickie specifically said "Allow me to introduce to you, the #1 contender for the World Heavyweight Championship at the 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania: The Big Show!". And the match was officially on wwe.com too. It's OK to admit you were wrong, both of your claims are false and there is no reason for you to continue arguing when you are wrong. As for the match changing, under that logic we shouldn't list any matches before the PPV starts since every match can change. The match is officially Edge vs. The Big Show and that is what we will list. IF it changes, we can change it too. Also, the fact that Vickie announced on Raw that it would be at WrestleMania and wwe.com says it will be at WrestleMania, I will give you one guess as to when it will happen. TJ Spyke 23:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh Nithas number 1 contender means you are going to facing that person. And yes it can still be Edge vs. Big Show vs. Cena but that is if they change it. But for now it is officially Edge vs. Big Show. --Super Silver901 22:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Read above.. Nithas (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but did you acutally read what TJ wrote? It's listed at wwe.com, It's a match at WM25, and It's been confirmed. What more do you need? It was announced on RAW. Simon^KSK 23:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Dang it Nithas it said on wwe.com and on raw that he was the number 1 contender which means it will be edge vs. show. In case you did not know that wwe.com and raw is reliable source."But just because Show is the no. 1 contender, doesn't mean Cena can't be added" that's Crystalballing they never said no such thing that Cena was in the match, again yes it could happen but we will not add it yet. --SuperSilver901 23:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

False Information

"although, it is only the 24th anniversary. WrestleMania 2 was the first anniversary, and as a result of the continuous chronology, WrestleMania XXV is the 24th anniversary, not the 25th as WWE promotes." There no fact to back up these clam and has been proven wrong by all wrestling websites [[User:Supermike|Supermike] (talk) 1 —Preceding undated comment added 21:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC).

It's really common sense. Does not need to be sourced. Simon^KSK 21:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It really is, "WrestleMania 25 (2009)–WrestleMania 1 (1985)=24".--₮RUCӨ 22:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Simon and Truco are right. Would WrestleMania I be the first anniversary of itself? TJ Spyke 22:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Just to state that what truco said is correct, simon however wasn't as common sense on wiki is not a reliable source which has been pointed out many times.82.2.120.108 (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)BIG DOUGIE

When information can be verified by common sense, a source is not needed, especially in this case.--₮RUCӨ 00:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)