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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)Reply


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Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )
3a. broadness ( ) 3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked   are unassessed

Though I had recently failed numerous music articles which included album nominees, that was because they were too far from meeting the criteria. I have made sure to select an article that can be reviewed without a likely fail, so I am taking this on since it looks fine after having a glance but I will have comments soon. --K. Peake 10:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Infobox and lead

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  • Cover art needs alt text
  • Target The Hall of Justice to Chris Walla
  • Remove target on Washington
  • Remove wikilink on Chris Walla under producers per WP:OVERLINK
  • Remove wikilink on studio album
  • Target rock to Rock music
  • "band Death Cab for Cutie, released on March 21, 2000 through" → "band Death Cab for Cutie. It was released on March 21, 2000, through"
  • "The band—composed of" → "The band, which originally composed of"
  • "and drummer Nathan Good—formed" → "and drummer Nathan Good, formed"
  • Should it be Bellingham, Washington or Bellingham with the target to the aforementioned?
  • "The quartet issued their debut album," → "Their debut studio album,"
  • "in 1998 through Seattle-based independent label Barsuk," → "was released in 1998 by Barsuk," since this is too much for the lead
  • "exited the band." → "exited Death Cab for Cutie."
  • "Between albums," → "Between the two albums,"
  • "released music through" → "released music via"
  • "We Have the Facts was developed over a period of five months between the three, and" → "Over a period of five months between the four, We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was developed, and"
  • "Its recording came at a" → "The recording came at a"
  • "these post-collegiate anxieties" → "the post-collegiate anxieties"
  • "narratives with abstract imagery" → "narratives and abstract imagery" with the appropriate wikilink
  • "We Have the Facts is sonically" → "The album is sonically"
  • Target downbeat to Downbeat and upbeat per MOS:LINK2SECT
  • "with its despondent sound and spindly guitar work heavily influenced" → "featuring a despondent sound and spindly guitar work that was heavily influenced"
  • "the slowcore genre." → "slowcore."
  • "Upon its March 2000 release on Barsuk, We Have the Facts received" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes received"
  • Target music critics to Music journalism
  • Add a bit about what was praised
  • Are you sure you can't add a sentence after this about the legacy of the album since there was rankings?
  • "The band supported the LP with its" → "Death Cab for Cutie supported the album with their"
  • Target singles to Single (music)
  • "were released from the album, though the LP" → "were released, though it"
  • "several months after its release." → "later in 2000."

Background

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  • Retitle to Background and development
  • Img needs alt text
  • Change the main text to still mentioning him by name as the frontman, but reword to having relevance to what is written around him in this section
  • The entire first para has no citation(s); one or more needs to be added, depending on how many are used for this info
  • Wikilink Ben Gibbard
  • "during his time attending" → "while he attended"
  • Wikilink Bellingham, Washington
  • "under the name Death Cab for Cutie, named" → "under the analysis of Death Cab for Cutie, named" unless that is the name of the demo tape then → "under the title of Death Cab for Cutie, named" is the appropriate version
  • Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band → Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band
  • "It was produced by" → "The demo tape was produced by"
  • "multi-instrumentalist Christopher Walla," → "guitarist/producer Chris Walla" with the wikilink
  • "had met a concert." → "had met at a concert."
  • "local attention, prompting" → "local attention and prompted"
  • "to assemble a lineup." → "to assemble a band lineup."
  • Wikilink Nick Harmer
  • "joined as bassist," → "joined as the bassist,"
  • Wikilink Nathan Good
  • "the quartet were signed to Seattle label Barsuk Records," → "Death Cab for Cuite had signed to Seattle record label Barsuk Records," with the wikilinks
  • "released their debut album, Something About Airplanes (1998)." → "their debut studio album Something About Airplanes (1998) was released through."
  • "in Bellingham, while Harmer" if this is meaning at the same time then it should not have a comma; otherwise, keep the one
  • "Both moved back in" → "The two of them moved back in"
  • "while Gibbard rented an apartment" → "though Gibbard rented an apartment"
  • "different: he was getting married, and had" → "different, with him getting married, and he had"
  • "In addition, he lacked" → "In addition to this, Good lacked"
  • "that Gibbard, Walla, and Harmer shared." → "that Gibbard, Walla, and Harmer had."
  • "Good departed the band" → "Good departed Death Cab for Cutie"
  • "between April–September 1999." → "from April to September of that year."
  • Citation(s) are missing at the end of the para and maybe for other sentences too
  • "the group would make only" → "the band only made"
  • "mainly went to" → "mainly went towards"
  • Target Econoline to Ford E-Series and are you sure it shouldn't be called Ford Econoline?
  • "in the band's history as "interstitial"," → "in the history of Death Cab for Cutie as "interstitial,""
  • [2] should solely be at the end of the para after [1]
  • "lacking assurance of what was" → "with them lacking assurance of what was"

Recording and production

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  • The opening para should mention how this was in 1999
  • "We Have the Facts, like" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, like"
  • "environment than professional" → "environment rather than professional"
  • Remove wikilink on studio
  • "Much of the LP was tracked at Harmer's mother's house" → "Much of the former was tracked at the house of Harmer's mother"
  • "working to obtain her" → "working towards obtaining her"
  • Target doctoral degree to Doctorate
  • "The three lived there for" → "Death Cab for Cutie lived there for"
  • "Recording of the album later moved" → "Recording for We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was later relocated"
  • "parents' home" → "parents' house"
  • "and label-mates Sunset Valley." → "and label-mates, Sunset Valley."
  • "The group worked intently" → "They worked intently"
  • "there was little else" → "there was not much else"
  • Img needs alt text
  • "Like past efforts," → "Like past releases by Death Cab for Cutie,"
  • "served as producer." → "served as producer on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes."
  • "photography: simply document" → "photography; this is simply documenting"
  • "Walla found this perspective" → "Walla found the perspective"
  • "as doing what" → "as to do what"
  • "the songwriting than distract." → "the songwriting rather than distract."
  • "Recording drums proved" → "The recording of drums proved"
  • "into recording, and with Gibbard" → "into recording and with Gibbard"
  • "of the instrument, no one" → "with the instrument, none of the band members"
  • "for the bulk of the LP," → "for the bulk of the album,"
  • "practicing to sufficiently improve" → "practicing for sufficiently improving"
  • "On the album, he" → "On We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, Gibbard"
  • "to ensure his timing." → "for ensuring his timing."
  • "Former drummer Good contributed percussion to two tracks," → "Good contributed percussion to the tracks"
  • "The group decided to record these" → "Death Cab for Cutie decided to record the"
  • "was set to begin." → "was set to begin for the album."
  • Is there any known reason why for this?
  • Target mixed to Audio mixing (recorded music)
  • "The album was finalized" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was finalized"
  • Can you add when this happened?
  • "a Super Friends reference." → "a reference to the animated television series Super Friends." with the target
  • "Later in 2000, the band's label, Barsuk, would purchase" → "Later in 2000, Barsuk purchased"
  • "he renamed it" → "he subsequently renamed it"
  • "After the LP was completed," → "After We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was completed,"
  • Target Tony Lash to Heatmiser
  • "mastered the LP." → "mastered the album."
  • Again, citation(s) are missing at the very end of the para; [5] should be solely at the end and any others if they are missing

Composition

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  • This should be split into two full sections, as I will explain below

Music

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  • This is two paragraphs so can be its own section instead of a sub one, and title this Music and composition
  • "We Have the Facts is stylistically" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes is stylistically"
  • "led many to categorize We Have the Facts" → "led to many writers categorizing the album"
  • "the album has been" → "it has been"
  • "an "emo classic"." → "an "emo classic.""
  • "on We Have the Facts are" → "on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes are"
  • "on later efforts; Gibbard later highlighted" → "those of later projects, with Gibbard later highlighting"
  • "guitar-work" in a ranking of the band's albums." → "guitar-work."" since that context is not relevant
  • "In his early twenties," → "During his early 20s,"
  • Target downbeat to Downbeat and upbeat
  • "and incentivized intricate guitar lines on We Have the Facts" → "and incentivizing intricate guitar lines for the album"
  • "He also conceded his" → "Gibbard also conceded that his"
  • "in early Death Cab work," → "in early work by Death Cab for Cutie,"
  • [2] should be solely at the end of the sentence before [8]
  • "also suggested the LP aurally" → "also suggested We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes is aurally"
  • "the album on an" → "the album with an"
  • "a 16-channel board with" → "which is a 16-channel board that has"
  • "also had built-in presets," → "also has built-in presets,"
  • "the group ended up" → "the band ended up"
  • "Otherwise, the album is mostly" → "Elsewise, We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes mostly has an"
  • "produced via a" → "that were produced via a"
  • Target delay pedal to Delay (audio effect)
  • Target Yamaha to Yamaha Corporation
  • "and lined up" → "and ultimately lined up"

Lyrics

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  • Four paras is easily enough for a full section and title this to Themes and lyrics
  • "Gibbard's songwriting" → "Gibbard's songwriting on We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes"
  • "approach, frequently utilizing" → "approach and frequently utilizing"
  • "Much of this songwriting" → "Much of the songwriting"
  • "he acknowledged his privilege" → "Gibbard acknowledged his privilege"
  • "in America":" → "in America," admitting that,"
  • "interpreted We have the Facts as" → "interpreted the album as"
  • "chronicling a decaying" → "that chronicles a decaying"
  • "noting that the album" → "noting that We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes"
  • "Gibbard cited musicians Elliott Smith and Blake Schwarzenbach of Jawbreaker" → "He cited Blake Schwarzenbach of Jawbreaker and fellow musician Elliott Smith"
  • Target lo-fi to Lo-fi music
  • "and likened this effect" → "and likened the effect"
  • "to a higher-qualiy" → "to a higher-quality"
  • "the first portion was" → "both parts of the first portion were"
  • "in mastering; Tony Lash narrowed the" → "during mastering; Lash narrowed the"
  • Remove wikilink on stereo
  • "the album no different than" → "the album was no different to"
  • "letting its lower-quality" → "letting the lower-quality"
  • "upon his move to Seattle," → "upon his moving to Seattle,"
  • "development of 1998's Something About Airplanes." → "development of Something About Airplanes."
  • "It touches on" → "The track touches on"
  • "with its localized title a" → "with its localized title being a"
  • "stems from the several" → "stemmed from the several"
  • Target Interstate Highway to Interstate Highway System
  • "on the west coast, but" → "on the West Coast of the United States, though"
  • Remove wikilink on cigarette
  • Are you sure "hide" shouldn't have a capitalized start?
  • "originates from the fact" → "originated from the fact"
  • "the two hid the cigarette butts underneath the patio" → "the two of them hid cigarette butts underneath their patio"
  • "recorder, and gave" → "recorder and ultimately gave"
  • "in an odd tuning," → "in an odd tuning;"
  • "he had viewed" → "Gibbard had viewed"
  • "on earlier efforts" → "on earlier works"
  • "which was a big" → "who were a big"
  • "a proper marriage" → "to be a proper marriage"
  • "with its predecessor," → "with the predecessor,"
  • "on the Forbidden Love EP a few months later." → "on The Forbidden Love EP later in 2020."
  • "demo of just Gibbard and his guitar." → "demo, which featured solely Gibbard and his guitar."
  • "cost only four dollars." → "cost only $4."
  • "stems from the home the group" → "stemmed from the home Death Cab for Cutie"
  • "that had no heating" → "which had no heating"

Release and commercial performance

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  • "The album's title stems" → "The title We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes came"
  • "that formed the band" → "who formed the band"
  • "he wore a" → "Burgle wore a"
  • Remove wikilink on Nebraska
  • The first two sentences of the second para should be in the first para instead
  • "issued We Have the Facts in March 2000 on compact disc and vinyl." → "issued the album on March 21, 2000, releasing it on CD and vinyl." with the targets
  • "were issued:" → "were issued;"
  • "Expectations were higher for We Have the Facts for the band." → "Sales expectations were higher for We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes for Death Cab for Cutie." and this will be the start of the second para instead
  • "Though they band were" → "Despite the band being"
  • "to later efforts." → "to their later projects."
  • "We Have the Facts was supported at" → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was supported by"
  • Target college radio to Campus radio
  • "premiered eleven positions" → "premiered 11 places" per MOS:NUM
  • "it had sold" → "the album had sold"
  • "These numbers were considered" → "The numbers were considered"
  • "for Barsuk, which" → "for the record label, which"

Critical reception

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  • Ratings box looks good
  • "We Have the Facts debuted to a positive critical reception." → "We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes was met with positive reviews from music critics."
  • "it received" → "the album received"
  • [10] should be solely at the end of the sentence after [6]
  • "viewed it the band's" → "viewed the album as the band's"
  • "yet, a" → "yet, calling it a"
  • "effort marking Gibbard's" → "effort which marks Gibbard's"
  • Pitchfork should be italicised
  • "likened it to the work" → "likened We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes to the work"
  • ""delicate beauty"." → ""delicate beauty.""
  • PopMatters should be italicised
  • "praised it as" → "praised the album for being"
  • "A Rolling Stone editor" → "An editor of The Rolling Stone Album Guide" with the wikilink
  • All of the reviews need to have the citations at the end of their sentences; use refnames to do this for them obviously since the citations are included in the ratings box
  • "called it a marvelous" → "called the album a marvelous"
  • Target pop to Pop music
  • "called it an" → "branded the album an"
  • "Jon Pareles included it in a New York Times listing" → "Pareles included it in a listing for The New York Times

Legacy

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  • "For its twentieth anniversary," → "For its 20th anniversary,"
  • "retroactive pieces celebrating the album," → "retrospective pieces celebrating ''We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes."
  • Remove the "including..." part since that is the type of thing written in a lead overview
  • "The band has generally looked back at We Have the Facts" → "Death Cab for Cutie has generally looked back at the album"
  • "as evidenced by this 2011 quote:" → "doing so in 2011:"
  • "That second record," → ""That second record,"
  • "of all time by" → "of all time by editors of"
  • Remove target on Pitchfork
  • "the Pacific Northwest."" → "the Pacific Northwest"." since that is a title, not a quote
  • Where are the Spin and Stereogum celebrations of the album?

Track listing

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  • A sentence should be directly before the current that reads: "Credits adapted from..." when you add a citation that they are adapted from, since they are currently unsourced
  • Per MOS:TABLECAPTION, you need a headline here

Personnel

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  • Again, you are missing a citation for the credits
  • Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between personnel
  • Any specific order for the members here?
  • drums on "The Employment Pages" and "Company Calls Epilogue" → drums on tracks 2 and 8
  • Target samples to Sampling (music)
  • Target Tony Lash to Heatmiser
  • Target mastering to Mastering (audio)

Charts

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  • Are you sure you can't add this table using the Top 200 position from CMJ New Music Report?

References

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  • Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
  • Copyvio score looks a bit high at 41.9%; trim the quoting from ref 1 slightly to fix this
  • Target Spin to Spin (magazine) on ref 1
  • Cite YouTube as publisher instead for ref 2 and wikilink
  • Target Hal Leonard Corporation to Hal Leonard LLC on ref 3
  • Wikilink Sound on Sound on ref 4, while authorlink Paul Tingen
  • Cite In Music We Trust as publisher instead for ref 5 and wikilink, plus fix MOS:CAPS
  • Remove Noisey from ref 7 and solely cite Vice under work/website, while target to Vice (magazine)
  • Authorlink Neil Strauss on ref 8
  • Wikilink Stereogum on ref 9
  • Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 11
  • Target Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 12
  • Remove CMJ Network, Inc from ref 13 and cite CMJ New Music Report solely as publisher instead
  • Do this ref 14 too but remove the target this time
  • Thevine.com.au → thevine.com.au on ref 23
  • Remove target on Pitchfork for ref 25

Final comments and verdict

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  • I will have to ✗ Fail this due to the nominator's lack of activity, though I am becoming tired of so many articles being unable to pass. To be fair, maybe I should have checked the user's edit history before undertaking this review. --K. Peake 07:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
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