Talk:Death and state funeral of Queen Victoria

Requested move 20 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved due to consensus in favor of use of word Death in the title (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 09:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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• State funeral of Queen Victoria → Death and state funeral of Queen Victoria
• State funeral of Edward VII → Death and state funeral of Edward VII

– Per consistency with pages such as Death and state funeral of George VI and Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II. 24.15.214.201 (talk) 21:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Instead, move Death and state funeral of George VI back to State funeral of George VI per WP:CONCISE and move Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II to State funeral of Elizabeth II per WP:CONSISTENT. The former was subject to an undiscussed move last year, and the latter apparently took its title based on the George VI article. All are primarily about the funerals and prior mourning period. Station1 (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The death and state funeral should get an separate article if you want to do this, and Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II far more eligible to split. 180.254.172.80 (talk) 09:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support. A search of titles indicates that "Death and state funeral" is a far more common construction (six articles at "State funeral of" titles compared to forty articles at "Death and state funeral of" titles). BD2412 T 06:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
• Comment There's also Death and state funeral of George V to add to the list. Also, if an article covers both the person's death as well as their funeral, there's no ground for omitting the word death from the main title (which is the case for George VI and Elizabeth II). Keivan.f^Talk 04:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
• Comment. The requested moves discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani might also affect what these articles should be titled.2601:241:300:B610:C479:CF14:9F1:F4F2 (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support - per consistency, as they're State funeral's which were required due to a death. GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support for the same reasons as GoodDay, on the condition that a little more is written on his actual death. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Funeral march?

In this part of the text of the "Funeral service" section:

At the end of the service, a funeral march attributed to Ludwig van Beethoven but actually by Johann Heinrich Walch was played instead of the traditional "Dead March" from Saul because Victoria was known to dislike Handel's music and was reported to have forbidden its use at her funeral

User:Adelshaus has inserted this note:

"Which one? There are three such marches: Beethoven Funeral March No 1, Beethoven Funeral March No 2 and Beethoven Funeral March No 3, all of which were composed by Johann Heinrich Walch".

The original edit was mine and based on this reference (Range 2016) which Google Books has decided not to make viewable anymore. If memory serves, it does not specify which of the three, and the only other mentions that I can find just say "Beethoven's Funeral March". Any ideas? Alansplodge (talk) 15:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Missing sources

In the "References" section, there are sources only referred to as "Hibbert", "Strachey", "Waller", "Longford" and "St Aubyn". Details of these works seem to have been missing from the outset. Before I try to guess what these are, does anyone know off the top of their head? (Maybe User:McArthur Parkette who wrote the first version of this?) Alansplodge (talk) 15:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)