Talk:Sia

RfC about the infobox image

Should the infobox image be one of her face or one of her in a wig like she wears for her concerts and public appearances? There have been discussions about this before, but none of them have had significant participation. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• Wig This article focuses more on her career than her personal life (as it should). Her wearing a wig and covering her face is a defining part of her professional appearance. While we absolutely should have images of her face in the body of the article, they should not be the main image. Using a image of her face would be like using an image of Kiss (band) without their makeup in the infobox. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
• Wig in infobox since that's how most people know her. I dream of horses ^{(Contribs) (Talk)} 17:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC) (cleaned up after reply function; also, I was (Summoned by bot) 17:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC))

• Status quo. The current status follows policy and is fine. Sia stated in 2016: "I don't wear [a wig] if there aren't cameras around. I only wear this to maintain a modicum of privacy." Since that time, Sia appears in public with a wig or without (2017,2018,2020,2021,2023). Her musical persona, unlike acts like Kiss, is not identical to her public persona. As to the choice between main text and infobox, any image that is fine in the main text is find in the infobox, too. -The Gnome (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

  It's misleading to say that the non wig image is the "status quo". I first proposed using a wig image in November 2020. The only user who commented was User:Ssilvers who agreed with me, so I then changed it. It remained like that for over a year until in February 2022, User:DrewieStewie changed it without any discussion. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• The term "status quo" has one and very specific meaning, JDDJS. It denotes things as they are now. Not as they were a long time ago and not as they were a little while ago. The use of the term there is exact. There is nothing "misleading" in me saying the image is the status quo. -The Gnome (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
• I wasn't going to comment, but since my name is invoked, I must say that I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think that as long as the text is clear that she generally wears the wig in public, shows an image of this somewhere in the article, and explains that she began to do this to protect her privacy (among other reasons), then I am happy to see it either way in the infobox. It is wearying to have to argue over these sorts of things every couple of years, and I anticipate that we will all be back here again. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

• Wig in infobox (Brought here from WP:RFC/A) I would not mind placing the current infobox picture (non-wig picture) perhaps down further in the article. Put her performance persona in the infobox since that is why she is WP:NOTABLE.

MaximusEditor (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• Status Quo Sia has been notable as a singer LONG before she began performing with the wig on stage in 2014. The first version of this article dates back a decade earlier in 2004, and her first major-label album was released in 2001. When I changed it to a face picture, the photo was from 2011. Somebody later changed it to a 2006 picture. As mentioned above, she still consistently makes public appearances without wigs or her face obscured, even on the album covers for This Is Acting and Everyday Is Christmas (album). Her stage and public persona are two separate entities; hence, a wigless picture that does not obscure her face is warranted on her article. Jeff Hardy is famous for wrestling in facepaint that became standard for him halfway through his career in the public eye, but is already so well known without it that his infobox picture has no facepaint. Just my two cents; with Sia, a wigless photograph with no facial obstruction is preferred for the reasons I've stated alongside User: The Gnome. DrewieStewie (talk) 17:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

  Again, calling the face image the "status quo" when you changed without any discussion disregarding the previous discussion is extremely misleading. I'm not going to pretend that two users agreeing counts as an actual consensus, but it's simply wrong to pretend that it didn't happen. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 17:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• 'Wig - It is part of her notability. It also presents the least WP:SURPRISE to a reader familiar with the subject, and helps the unfamiliar understand the subject in a way that matches the body of the article. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I feel that people voting wig on grounds of notability are clearly not putting into consideration her pre-2014 fame. Seems like recentism bias to me. Was she not notable and passing WP:GNG before she began peforming with her face obscured? It would have made more sense for the wig picture in the infobox if she performed with a face-obscuring wig from the very beginning of her career rather than so long into it. Another point I'd like to make is that by putting her wig picture in the post-2014 section of her career on the biography, the visual representation is much closer to the prose describing her on-stage persona and appearance. DrewieStewie (talk) 14:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
• Status quo. Don't see an issue with the present image. Don't overcompensate on what isn't broken. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 01:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. All available photos of sia are OLD. I kinda agree with putting a photo of her where she wears a wig, but there is only ONE from 2016. Wikipedia usually uses current photos of artists, I think everyone recognizes sia with or without a wig, but we don't have that many options to discuss what is the "best". ?Silencedoc¿ 22:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  https://www.flickr.com/photos/weeklydig/albums/72157668633575731 there are other photos from that concert here which aren't on commons but could be uploaded Miklogfeather (talk) 01:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

  I've uploaded the other photos

  

  Sia at Boston Calling 2016

  This would be my choice for the image if there's consensus for the wig. Miklogfeather (talk) 01:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Almost the same image is already in the article further down. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

That could be replaced with one featuring Maddie Ziegler, which would be illustrative of her and Sia's performances Miklogfeather (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Are there any free images showing that? I see that the ones you posted have Stephanie Mincone, Sia's other female dancer, not Ziegler. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. Still one of those could be used. Miklogfeather (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

They are not "illustrative of her performances", as her most famous videos and live performances have been with Ziegler. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

FYI, Here is a video of Mincone "giving birth" to Ziegler at a Sia performance and a photo of both of them. Zieger is on the left. Mincone has often been misidentified as Ziegler. When Zieger was available (she was still a minor during Sia's last tour), she did the dance solos; Mincone only did them on tour when Ziegler was not available. Mincone has also danced for Taylor Swift and others. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

• Status quo / the one with her face People already know what Sia looks like. The images with the wig belong in the body of the article where it discusses her performing. Some1 (talk) 18:39,

• Status quo Why change what isn't broken? I agree with many of the other editors here. CranberryMuffin (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Categories

Did Sia first gained notability before or during the 21st century? One of my edits on the categories has been reverted and I'm not that familiar with her. Thedarkknightli (talk) 01:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

She was not notable before the 21st century. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your timely reply, @Ssilvers! Then this category should be removed, right? I'm not that familiar with the rules on Wikipedia. Thedarkknightli (talk) 02:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't know much about the rules re: categories, and I don't care much about them. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Sia name (Furler)

Sia changed her name Sia Furler to Sia Bernad. Should we change this? [1] Arismauve (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Daily Mail is not an acceptable source. See WP:RSPSS. We already discuss the marriage below, and we would need a WP:RS that states that she has legally changed her name. In any event, it would not change the name of the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank u for telling me! Camilasdandelions (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

OnlySee/Onlysee/onlysee

I reverted changes made by a user to this article and to Sia's discography article concerning her album OnlySee. The same user is working on a draft article for the album at Draft:Onlysee. At first, I thought the edits were vandalism, because the changes were made inconsistently throughout the article to some of the places that the album was mentioned, but not all. Now I see that there is a question as to how the name should be styled. Clearly, there is no space between the two words. The question is, should it be capitalized as:

• OnlySee;
• Onlysee; or
• onlysee?

Opinions please, quoting the appropriate text from the Name guideline or any other applicable guidelines. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I know it as OnlySee. Camilasdandelions (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, although the album cover was stylized as "onlysee". -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

don't care about it much! because the text in album cover doesnt related with the real album style. for example, Colour the Small One is stylized as "COLOUR THE SMALL ONE", but you know, it's "Colour The Small One".

Same case with Some People Have Real Problems too, it is stylized as all lowercase but it is "Some People Have REAL Problems" Camilasdandelions (talk) 03:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

OK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

does Sia have any kids?

Sia might have kids does she does she not?IDK 71.65.149.156 (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

She has two adopted adult children. In addition, she recently had a baby with her new husband, but there is no official announcement of this, so our guideline WP:BLP says that we cannot mention it until there is an official announcement. See also WP:V. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)