Talk:Ferdinand Marcos

kleptocrat?

really? you have proof for this shitty article which is admissible by evidence not hearsay 2001:4455:6CB:1200:51F8:BC47:4A8C:DEDA (talk) 03:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Please read https://factcheck.afp.com/philippine-supreme-court-ruled-three-times-ferdinand-marcos-must-give-back-millions-he-stole-his. -Object404 (talk) 21:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

"History is always written by the winners." - Dan Brown

I was not there, so I guess there is no way for me to know the truth but just swallow what is available. 49.144.39.243 (talk) 16:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Multiple Issues Flag - More Info

Hey, y'all. I've just been reading up on Marcos as a matter of interest and I find that this article is in need of improvements. While the information in the article, at least to my knowledge, is complete and comprehensive, it is structured and written in ways that make it difficult to understand or use effectively. I've flagged three main issues with this article, which I'll address one at a time.

1. Tone: the tone of the article switches throughout and several sections feel very much like a personal diatribe written by someone who dislikes Marcos (not judging, he was a really bad person, but this is an encyclopedia). It also feels like the article is leading the reader to make certain conclusions about Marcos (which seems superfluous, considering how much he stole, but I digress), which is contrary to Wikipedia guidelines.
2. The sectioning in this article is odd, to say the least, especially the sections regarding Marcos' terms as President. The writing skips back and forth between historical events in a confusing way, and there are several very similarly headed sections right near each other that make navigation difficult. These sections should probably be reorganised to better fit the Style Guide, and can probably be condensed or subheaded more clearly.
3. Repetition: Several facts within the article are repeated almost verbatim throughout. Some of these facts are included in sections where it doesn't seem they best fit. Additionally, throughout the section on his actions as President, there is this kind of foreshadowing that makes the article difficult to read at best.

As the guidelines make clear, the multiple issues flag doesn't exist to pile on to the author of an article, or authors for that matter. That being said, there are other, smaller issues with the article that could do with addressing, if a major clean-up occurs. These include some issues with referencing, missing dates, missing page numbers, and other such referencing errors.

There is also some sections that could do with restructuring to make them more clear. In some paragraphs, the events mentioned are only loosely connected by dates, and the article jumps back and forth in time in confusing ways. The use of full names, as opposed to just last names, should be considered in certain sections where it is unclear about whom the article is speaking.

Overall, while the article seems to be an excellent source of knowledge about Marcos and his regime, its structural problems obfuscate that and make it difficult to parse all that information. If I am able to, I will dedicate some serious time to restructuring the article in a sandbox before rolling it out. Any advice from local experts on Marcos or Filipino politics in general would be much appreciated to ensure a cleaned-up version does not miss anything important.

Any questions, comments, or suggestions are welcome BigBoiiLeem (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is an encyclopedia, but call a spade a spade. There is no "author" to this page. It is a collaborative work of many authors. For working in a sandbox, we would rather that you edit the page incrementally than make sweeping changes so your work can be more transparent and make sure you don't break anything like citations, etc. -Object404 (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggested lede edit

Please would someone change: He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood, extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] and a crushing debt crisis.

to: "He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood and extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] together with a crushing debt crisis." ? 84.9.131.171 (talk) 17:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2024

Please would someone change: He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood, extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] and a crushing debt crisis.

to: "He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood and extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] together with a crushing debt crisis." ? 84.9.131.171 (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. —seav (talk) 19:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Seav Don't forget to change the "|ans=no" parameter to "|ans=yes" when you complete an edit request. Shadow311 (talk) 21:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Seav ! 84.9.131.171 (talk) 19:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Mass murderer category

Would a mass murderer category be appropriate for him? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think Marcos himself carried out the murders, so no. Maybe state-sponsored killings or something else? Howard the Duck (talk) 05:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

The thing is: other dictators such as Bashar al Assad, Saddam Hussein, etc have mass murderer as a category. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:70FE:16E:CEBB:85ED (talk) 06:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly, Adolf Hitler does not have a mass murderer category but Benito Mussolini does. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 13:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Has Hitler ever been accused of mass murder? Dimadick (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it's an analogy considering Marcos is associated with widespread human rights violations, but probably not mass murder unless you count extrajudicial killings. Hitler would more likely be considered a mass murderer for the Holocaust alone. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Marcos and other similar dictators may have caused an unquantifiable number of killings, but I'd suppose it's not mass murder but something else. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Ex-President Marcos Sr.'s Dictatorship of 20 years Impacts: Estimated human rights abuses and stolen national wealth.

Ex-President Marcos Sr.'s Dictatorship of 20 years

Impacts: Estimated human rights abuses and stolen national wealth. 122.52.31.74 (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)