Talk:Podujevë

Requested move 7 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per discussion below. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 04:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Podujevo → Podujevë – I propose changing the article's title to "Podujevë", as it is the official name endorsed by the government, widely used by the people of Kosovo (of which the majority happen to be Albanian) and the name most commonly referenced.

According to WP:WIAN, we should identify the watershed moments in this location's history, and for Kosovo which this city is part of, the most recent watershed moment was the Declaration of Independence of Kosovo (whether its recognized or not). Referring to this guideline, then we should limit sources to those published after the Kosovo's independence (2008). In this case, Google Scholar and other criteria seem to favor the Albanian version of the name which is Podujevë or the definite form in Albanian of this name (Podujeva) more than the current name of the article (Podujevo).

Also WP:MPN suggests that "For articles discussing the present, use the modern English name (or local name, if there is no established English name), rather than an older one. " Given that the 2011 census reports that 98.9% of the population in this municipality is Albanian, the local name is, logically, the Albanian version of Podujevë (Podujeva).

The Google Scholar results show:

• Podujevo [1] - 654 results
• Podujevë [2] + Podujeva [3] - 388 + 427 = 815 results

The analysis of the results show that the Albanian versions of the name are used around 20% (19.75%) more frequently.

Therefore, I kindly ask for your support in approving this name change based on the facts I provided above. Typical Albanian (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you.The page should be renamed to Podujevë because it is the official name. Mitrovica02 (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. I agree with you because it is the offical name like Mitrovica02 said. Arberian2444 (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support the request for move in line with WP:CONSISTENCY, as almost all Kosovar city names on Wikipedia are spelled using the Albanian orthography [1] [2] [3] [4] [5], .... Apart from that, I'll sustain the WP:MPN argument as well as the Google Scholar analysis. Evidently, the primary official and widely used name in the area is the Albanian one. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The city should not be renamed Podujevë. German and Austrian cities are rarely named using a letter characteristic of their language, ü and others. Podujeve or Podujevo is an option. This is EWP not SQWP. — Sadko (words are wind) 01:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  You're misrepresenting it. German cities in English don't have the characteristic ä, ö or ü because, in most cases, there is already an existing English name (e.g. derived from Latin). For instance, Munich instead of München, Cologne instead of Köln, etc. Minor cities like Göttingen still have the "ö" in the article's name.

  That, however, does not justify overruling this request. What about Himarë and all Albanian cities that are of feminine gender in the Albanian language (Vlorë, Sarandë, Korcë, etc.)? AlexBachmann (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  I do not know what's the connection of this particular city in Kosovo with the "German and Austrian cities", however there are numerous articles of cities of these two countries you mentioned which use letters that are not part of the English alphabet. Here's a list: Düsseldorf, Fürth, Göttingen, Gütersloh, Klagenfurt am Wörthersee, Lübeck, Mönchengladbach, Mülheim, Münster, Osnabrück,Saarbrücken, Sankt Pölten, Würzburg. Nearly all other cities article titles are in German, while so few of them have a name in English like: Munich (München), Cologne (Köln), Hanover(Hannover).

  With these examples, I tried to prove to you that German and Austrian cities DO NOT rarely use a letter characteristic to their language like ä, ö, ü, and ß for their cities article titles and they certainly do not avoid using these special characters.

  Now, here are some examples of cities/towns of Serbia that their article titles use special characters that are part of your native language (Serbian): Niš, Pančevo, Čačak, Užice, Požarevac, Šabac, Zaječar, Vršac, Bačka Palanka, Inđija, Aranđelovac, Paraćin, Bečej, Ćuprija, Knjaževac, Preševo, Šid, Požega, Kuršumlija and many others. Should I now say to you that this is EWP (English Wikipedia) and not SRWP (Serbian Wikipedia)? Of course not!

  In English Wikipedia, the special characters of every language are used for cities titles, unless the city has an established name in English. Given the facts that I've presented above, it seems that your objection lacks proper justification and it appears biased to me. Typical Albanian (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose but because Podujeva has more results and is the proper name in Albanian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.11.75.197 (talk) 18:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  So you want to change it to Podujeva if I understood that properly, right? AlexBachmann (talk) 21:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support The name "Podujevë" is the official Albanian name and aligns with the linguistic and geographic context of the region.LGashi (talk) 11:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Support I agree with you because Podujevë is widendly used as a offical name by the national and local governance ! Fisnik-Kçiqi 1999 (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, Mitrovica02, Arberian2444, AlexBachmann, LGashi and Fisnik-Kçiqi 1999. Since international recognition of Kosovo extends to 114 UN member states, Albanian, as Kosovo's official language, should extend to its geographic names. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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