Talk:Orders, decorations, and medals of Canada

Order of St John

Are the four grades listed here for the VOSJ correct? How can the Canadian Priory have a completely different structure than other priories, such as the USA?--Eva ^bd 17:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at Venerable_Order_of_Saint_John#The_Order_in_the_United_Kingdom, you will see the order have 6 grades. With the exception of Esq that is not used in Canada, Queen Elizabeth II can appoint anyone(citizen or PR of Canada) to any grade of the order. The reason that we don't have Bailiff or Dame Grand Cross is because the Governor General and Lieutenant-governors are only appointed to Knights or Dames of Justice and as the Chancellor of the order, thus no one can be appointed a level beyond what the GG/LGs have even though theoretically it can be done on the advice of the GG. --Cahk (talk) 09:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Separate article

The titles that are mentioned ie barons, viscounts are distinctly titles of the noblity. Yet there is no separate article about canadian noblity. I find that rather odd. Call me an interfering foreigner, but if you've got a nobility...flaunt it! --Camaeron 15:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The Queen, acting as Queen of Canada, does not grant titles of nobility to Her Majesty's subject in Canada as the Prime Minister chose to be bound by the Nickle Resolution that is not a law nor a must for him to do so.--Cahk (talk) 23:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm talking about the ones that already exist. --Cameron* 16:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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Order of the Companions of Honour

Why isn't it included? --MichiganCharms (talk) 02:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

It's not part of the government's list. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 15:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

iirc, we included the Order of Merit before it was officially acknowledged by the government. The order can, has and probably will continue to be bestowed on Canadians, so I'm not sure why it would be problematic to include it somehow. The sources exist. Maybe we can get the government to acknowledge it, too. -- MichiganCharms (talk) 19:29, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

True, the OM was included here before the government officially added it to the honours system. However, there was also, if I recall correctly, acknowledgement that it wasn't part of the official list, and was accompanied by a couple of sources by honours experts stating it was de-facto part of the Canadian system. A Canadian had also just been appointed to the order. I suppose if we had some similar sources relating to the CH, then it could be added... Maybe. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 19:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

[1] gives it's order of precedence relative to other Imperial honours. I suppose one might be able to question whether it's actually a current Canadian order since both current Canadian members were born British citizens, though Trudeau received it in 1984 -- MichiganCharms (talk) 00:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, now that I look at it, this article is pretty silent on the subject of Imperial honours in the modern Canadian honours system. Their place in the order of precedence is included at Canadian order of precedence (decorations and medals)#British awards granted prior to 1 June 1972 (which reflects the link you just provided). It might be worthwhile to add a new section about them to this page.

However, whether or not the Order of Companions of Honour is still an active order in the Canadian system isn't clear (to me, anyway). It's not included in the official list, but, I can't see what bars the Queen from appointing a Canadian. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:34, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

In the book The Canadian Honours System, by Christopher McCreery (one of the honours experts I refered to earlier), the author doesn't include the Order of the Companions of Honour amongst the honours the Queen can bestow upon Canadians. He does, though, recognise the "historic connection" between the order and Canada, and says it "falls into a sort of grey area within the Canadian honours system". --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 05:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

A question

Based on my curiosity, What is "What does VA stand for in "To the memory of The Lady Patricia Ramsey, VA, CI, CD late Colonel-in-Chief Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry...."? Komitsuki (talk) 13:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

@Komitsuki: Royal Order of Victoria and Albert. EricSerge (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Komitsuki (talk) 04:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Canadian honours - some questions

I am surprised that the beginnings of a distinct Canadian honours system is credited to the RCMP LS Medal in 1934 and not the Canada General Service Medal in 1899. Both were part of the Imperial system which is now best described as the British system. So would have been the Canada Medal created in 1942 which did not proceed but was mentioned and the Canadian Volunteer Service Medal created in 1943 which was issued but not mentioned. Reading one of the McCreery references at the foot of the article it would seem Order of the British Empire was issued until 1964 and gallantry awards were issued in the Second World War (including 13 VCs to Canadian forces) and Korea. What are called bravery awards continued until at least 1957. Provinces today have their own honours but did provinces recommend Imperial honours which the Australian government did until 1983 and Australian states until 1989. Is there anything similar in Canada to the Australian announcement of 5 November 1992 when Australia agreed not to seek further recommend Imperial honours and from that date all Imperial honours to Australians would be regarded foreign awards with the exception of awards personally made by the monarch. There was similar discussion in Australia from 1917 to the Canadian Nickle debates but in Australia it was on party lines. With some state exceptions on occasion, the Australian Labor Party federal and state governments did not recommend Imperial honours with the main exception being Second World War awards for gallantry and distinguished service in operational areas. Australian conservative governments recommended Imperial honours with the last list being Queen’s Birthday 1989, fourteen years after the creation of the Australian Honours System which was inspired by the Canadian system. Anthony Staunton (talk) 00:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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History - Imperial and Colonial honours - 2nd paragraph

First sentence - After the creation of British North America, Canadians were entitled to receive British imperial honours, though the awarding of these was not consistently allowed. - What does 'not consistently allowed' mean?

Second sentence - From Confederation until the Nickle Resolution in 1919, the Order of Saint Michael and Saint George served as the equivalent of today's Order of Canada, being the highest non-peerage honour available to Canadian politicians, judges, and civil servants. - The orders are similar in that both have three ranks but the two highest ranks of the Order of Saint Michael and St George were titled. The sentence suggests only CMGs were awarded which could be the case since Canada was a dominion. Did the Canadian military receive CMGs for the South African War?

Third sentence - Appointments into the Order of the British Empire, into grades below those that carried a title, were also commonly made. There were no knighthoods from 1917 to 1919? Anthony Staunton (talk) 05:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

"Not consistently allowed" probably refers to the honours being open to Canadians up to 1919, then not, but still given to some since then, but not everyone. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 05:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Order of the ribbons in the ribbon table

Should the table of ribbons at the beginning of the article be ordered so it follows the Canadian order of precedence? They seem to be grouped by type of decoration right now, but in this case, The Victoria cross will be grouped with the Star of Military Valour and the medal of Military Valour. Same for the Cross of Valour, grouped with the Star of Courage and the Medal of Bravery. What do you think? ChaseYUL99 (talk) 07:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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