Talk:Ohio State University

third-largest university campus?

@Ɱ: this assertion about 3rd largest comes up twice in the article, once in the lede and once in the body. The link to another article about largest universities places Ohio at fifth place, not third, and the reference to support "third" is a dead link. I did not delete it because it was a dead link, but because it is an incorrect reference. I propose deleting the incorrect assertions again. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 13:35, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The answer isn't simply cutting content. That is taking apart the encyclopedia, not building it up. If you find incorrect information, correct it and add a new source. ɱ (talk) 13:43, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Ɱ, I am having trouble matching your comments with WP:NOSOURCES, where it says (bold in original): The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. So if you have just restored a statement I have shown to be untrue, I find that to be questionable editing. --Melchior2006 (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC) Second ping @Ɱ: today. --Melchior2006 (talk) 18:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Since no one chimed in on this, I deleted the claim. It was incorrect and unsourced. --Melchior2006 (talk) 11:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

You can easily see on that list article that OSU was for every year there, second or third largest. So it is not uncommon to summarize the results of a list article in a place like this. I can edit this to reflect that it is fifth for this past academic year. ɱ (talk) 13:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

thanks, but the source you gave is a dead link and doesn't corroborate your claim. That is not really fixing the problem, especially since we have established that the reference, even if findable, is incorrect. --Melchior2006 (talk) 14:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Have you read WP:KDL? Anyway the compilation at List of United States public university campuses by enrollment is fine to summarize here. ɱ (talk) 15:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Academic Boosterism

It looks like on 19th July, 19:10 (https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Ohio_State_University&diff=prev&oldid=1166164106) GuardianH decided to unilaterally add both an academic boosterism tag and a more citations needed tag without a single comment, reason, or justification, which seems to be a reoccurring habit of theirs.

Can we nail down what exactly these are referring to, if anything, so that they can be worked on or removed as needed? Ysjet (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@GuardianH: I think this question is directed at you. ElKevbo (talk) 01:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:BOOSTER:

Ohio State's political science program is ranked among the top programs globally. Considered to be one of the leading departments in the United States, it has played a particularly significant role in the construction and development of the constructivist and realist schools of international relations.

WP:SYNTH

Ohio State's political science department and faculty have greatly contributed to the construction and development of the constructivist and realist schools of international relations; a 2004 LSE study ranked the program as first among public institutions and fourth overall in the world.

WP:SYNTH

The Morrill Scholarship Program (MSP) is Ohio State's premier diversity/merit scholarship program, rewarding academically talented students who are actively engaged in diversity-based leadership, service and social justice activities. MSP seeks academically talented high school seniors who will contribute to campus diversity actively engage as advocates and champions of diversity, inclusion, social justice and academic excellence on campus. There are three scholarship levels: prominence, excellence and distinction.

Its groundbreaking deconstructivist architecture has resulted in it being lauded as one of the most important buildings of its generation. Its design has also been criticized as proving less than ideal for many of the art installations it has attempted to display.

Claim that definitely needs a source, which it currently does not — MOS:PUFFERY.

In 2007, Sports Illustrated nicknamed Ohio State's athletic program as being "The Program" due to the unsurpassed facilities, an unparalleled number of men's and women's sports teams and their success, and the financial support of an impressive fan base.

Possible WP:SYNTH - dead source.

These are just some of the ones I saw. Some cleanup is warranted to tidy up the article. GuardianH (talk) 01:51, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2023

Change current president to Walter Carter Erg125 (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

He doesn't begin until January 2024. ElKevbo (talk) 22:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2023

Nick Anderson is a Pulitzer winning cartoonist that graduated from The Ohio State University, and needs to be added to the Notable People section.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nick_Anderson_(cartoonist) 172.59.190.49 (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Added him to List of Ohio State University people. S0091 (talk) 21:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

He is a political cartoonist that has won a Pulitzer prize. He should be under the Pulitzer Prize winners section rather than entertainment. Thank you for the fast response! 172.59.190.49 (talk) 21:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, that highlights some work that needs to done on that list because Pulitzer prize winners are strewn about. I moved Anderson to that section but note the list is not protected so you can edit it if you feel the compulsion to better organize it. :) S0091 (talk) 22:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank you. I will see if I can clean up the list a little better. 172.59.190.49 (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 8 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Ohio State University → The Ohio State University – Unlike at Talk:Open University#Talk:Open University Britannica uses The Ohio State University. Per WP:COMMONNAME "Other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register". The university's logo includes "The" even though the "The" is sometimes small. See Talk:The Solent#Requested move 2 August 2019 for a similar case involving Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Oppose per WP:THE and two previous solid "Not Moved" decisions. As for common usage, I certainly don't ever say the name with "The" in front of it, and I don't have any recollection of sports fans or reporters (for example) generally doing that. It seems to me this RM is hanging its hat on narrow caveats. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:THE and WP:COMMONNAME. Even in a New York Times article about the "The", they never used "The Ohio State University" outside of quotes. Clearly not ubiquitous. --Cerebral726 (talk) 16:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose per WP:THE. The definite article os not used consistently by independent sources, o'r even by the institution itself. Robminchin (talk) 04:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support. I don't see WP:COMMONNAME being fulfilled by either the OSU or OSU, but I do believe that Robminchin's comment of it being not used by OSU is itself is extremely incorrect – consider taking a trip to Columbus and see how ubiquitous use of "The" is.. I believe that conditions played out in WP:THE are actually (if barely) met based on how OSU uses The as a core portion of its name, hence its trademark filing over "The". For these reasons, I'm not a strong proponent, but I have to give my vote to Support based on my reasoning. I fail to see a stronger argument for WP:THE being explained. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per all above. Svartner (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per previous four RMs. Nothing has changed. Bensci54 (talk) 14:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024

The academic rankings listed in the table are out of date. 1. Change ARWU national ranking from 42–56 to 39-51; source: https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2023 2. Change Forbes national ranking from 105 to 72; source: https://www.forbes.com/colleges/ohio-state-university-columbus/?sh=41d07f5f4561 3. Change the source for the THE / WSJ ranking to https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/ohio-state-university-main-campus (the ranking is unchanged). 4. Change US News & World Report ranking from 49 to 43; source: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ohio-state-6883 5. Change Washington Monthly from 41 to 68; source: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2023-college-guide/national-1/

In addition the text in the nearby paragraph is no longer up to date. 6. Change "In its 2021 edition, U.S. News & World Report ranked Ohio State as tied for the 17th-best public university in the United States, and tied for 53rd among all national universities." to "In its 2023 edition, U.S. News & World Report ranked Ohio State as tied for the 17th-best public university in the United States, and tied for 43rd among all national universities." source: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ohio-state-6883 7. Change "The Academic Ranking of World Universities placed Ohio State 42–56 nationally and 101–150 globally for 2020." to "The Academic Ranking of World Universities placed Ohio State 39-51 nationally and 101–150 globally for 2023." source: https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2023 8. Change "In its 2021 rankings, Times Higher Education World University Rankings ranked it tied for 80th in the world." to "In its 2024 rankings, Times Higher Education World University Rankings ranked it tied for 99th in the world." source: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/ohio-state-university-main-campus 9. Change "In 2021, QS World University Rankings ranked the university 108th in the world." to "In 2024, QS World University Rankings ranked the university 151st in the world." source: https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/ohio-state-university 10. Change "The Washington Monthly college rankings, which seek to evaluate colleges' contributions to American society based on factors of social mobility, research and service to the country by their graduates, placed Ohio State 98th among national universities in 2020." to "The Washington Monthly college rankings, which seek to evaluate colleges' contributions to American society based on factors of social mobility, research and service to the country by their graduates, placed Ohio State 61st among national universities in 2023." Audleylibrary (talk) 23:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: Table updated except for the source, which I think is part of the template. Going to go look at that, then come have a look at the other stuff. PianoDan (talk) 18:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done PianoDan (talk) 18:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

JK Simmons is a Buckeyes fan, but he is not an alumnus from OSU. 128.146.189.106 (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to split and reorganize History section

The current History section of this page is poorly organized:

A) The 2016 terrorist attack and 2024 pro-Palestine protests do not make sense being subsections of the Modern Era section, which is very general when it comes to giving an overview of 1980 to the present. Worse, the Vietnam War protest section, being a specific event, is one order higher than other specific events in the History section, which doesn't make intuitive sense. Therefore, I suggest we split the History section into "Growth" and "Historical Events" sections which will better separate a general overview of the school's history from the specific historical events people would like to read about vising this article.

B) There is significant redundancy between the History section of this article and the History of Ohio State University article. Therefore, I suggest we revise the new "Growth" section of this article to consist predominantly of excerpts from the History of Ohio State University article. On the same note, I suggest we make the Vietnam War protests section in this article an excerpt of its description from the History of Ohio State University article after moving it from this article to the other.

These are significant changes, so before I take action, does anyone second this notion? Onlineone22 (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Current policy on "the" in the article

According to the reversions, while the article name should *not* have the "the", in usage in the article it should. I've been able to find the RMs for the first, but not the discussion of the second, could someone please point out.Naraht (talk) 00:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussions are in the archives. I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for. The archives aren't really that long, so looking for any discussion that pertains to using THE in the article lead would be useful. Jojhutton (talk) 08:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. ‘THE’ should absolutely be in the title name. In fact, I came here to check why it is not. I would like to petition this is changed. Example: The New York Times. Johnhwynne (talk) 11:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Emphasis on “The”

I’m sure I’m not the only person who has heard the peculiar way students and alumni of OSU refer to their university. They invariably call it “THE Ohio State” with an overemphasis on the “THE,” pronounced like “thee,” as in “My Country, ‘Tis of Thee…” Why do they do this? Are there other Ohio State Universities that could cause confusion? It is my understanding that simply saying “Ohio State” or “Ohio State University” would be clear and unambiguous, thus rendering the additional “THE” superfluous. Even if “the” is included because that’s the full official title, I still don’t understand the overemphasis. Could someone add a section to the article explaining this practice? It seems near universal. Thank You. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 08:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I came here to say the same thing. The "the" comes up all the time. They even attempted to trademark the word. The NYT has a whole article about it (which I can't read because it's behind a paywall). https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/us/the-ohio-state-university.html

I know many people are annoyed by topic and find it pedantic, but that's also why it deserves mention (because people talk about it and have strong opinions). I guarantee some (small) percent of people come to this page to read about the the.

Maybe a couple of sentences under Traditions if nothing else. XKL (talk) 17:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Foreign Head of State Alumnus?

In the introductory section of the article, it specifically states, “Past and present alumni and faculty include 6 Nobel Prize laureates, 9 Rhodes Scholars, 7 Churchill Scholars, 1 Fields Medalist, 7 Pulitzer Prizewinners, 64 Goldwater scholars, 7 U.S. senators, 15 U.S. representatives, 104 Olympic medalists, and 1 foreign head of state.” Who is this foreign head of state? I’ve scoured both this article and the article listing notable alumni and individuals associated with the university and found no mention of such a person in either. Granted, I didn’t verify the others listed in the excerpt either, but I assumed the head of state would be among the most noteworthy. Is this a typographical error? Did someone mix up Ohio State with Oregon State or Oklahoma State? If someone knows this foreign head of state’s identity, please add it to at least one of the articles I mentioned, but preferably both of them. And if so inclined, verify the rest of the list in the excerpt as well. Thank you. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 15:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2024

Remove academic boosterismn. 64.189.18.44 (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Please be much, much more specific. ElKevbo (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)