Talk:Mughal-e-Azam

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I think the Persian quotation has been corrupted. instead of

"Ta Kiyamat shukr geom kardgate khwesh ra, Aah garman bez benaam roo-e yare khwesh ra"

Try "Tâ qiyâmat shokr dehom kardgâr-e khwash râ Âh gar man bâz bînam rû-y-e yâr-e khwash râ" — Preceding unsigned comment added by David chaffetz (talk • contribs) 16:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Comment

I won't disagree that Mughal-E-Azam is a noteworthy movie. However, we must keep in mind that we are writing for Wikipedia here, which is not a place for movie reviews. Some liked it and others hated it. There's no movie that absolutely everyone loves.

The main problem is this paragraph: "The film is excellent on many counts. The acting is top-notch, the score, by Naushad, is memorable, the singing and dancing are well-done, and the cinematography (by R.D. Mathur) is stylish. The film evokes the glorious days of the Mughal empire, with its lavish palaces, Persian-style gardens, jeweled costumes, and courtly dialogue (in poetic, Persian-influenced Urdu)."

I'm sure there are people who feel the acting isn't "top-notch," that the score isn't "memorable," and that the days of the Mughal empire were not "glorious." (I sense something of a pro-Persian bias in this, as well, since the Persian influences on the gardens and on Urdu are noted twice.)

I'm removing that paragraph and adding a spoiler warning and that will probably bring this article back into NPOV. --Hnsampat 13:54, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Need for expansion

This article really needs to be expanded. This was the most most famous movie to ever come out of bollywood. It played booked for years! Although this article recognises the importance of the song "Pyar Kiya To Darna Kya" it forgets there were other songs in the movie that made bold statements about love and parents such as "Teri Mehil Main Kismat" and "Zindabad Aaye Mohaddbat." This movie played a very important role in bollywood history and needs more recognition.

Other people might disagree. They might say that Sholay, or DDLJ, or Mother India was the most important movie. An encyclopedia can't really make judgments about such things. Unless you have new factual material to add, the article should stay as it is. Zora 01:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

A great film all round

NOTE MY COMMENT WILL SPOIL THE ENDING TO FILM SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM DON'T READ MY COMMENT. Mughal e azam i have to say is an amazing film. to tell you the truth i only recently saw it for the first time in color. the movie itself was very very emotional but i thought the ending would have been a bit more grander becuase there was such a lovely plaot but the ending was just anarkali getting freed without the prince knowing.

Language classification

Dieresis 11:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC) I have my doubts about categorizing the language of this film as Hindustani. Most of the dialogue is courtly, formal, and literary, and I think would be more accurately categorised as Urdu, since Urdu is the Perso-Arabic-influenced literary register of Hindustani. If the language of the film were plainer, perhaps Hindustani would fit. I'm not arguing that there aren't moments where less formal language is used, but for the most part the actors are issuing royal orders and making poetic allusions. The songs are more mixed (and there's even one in Braj).

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Contradiction in number of years in making Mughal-E-Azam

Hi!

There ia contradiction in the number of years it took to complete Mughal-E-Azam. In this article it is quoted to be 9 years, but in K.Asif's (Director of the movie) article it is qouted to be 12 years. Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.91.3 (talk) 12:26, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I changed it to twelve here. It's kind of hard to define with all the breaks though. BollyJeff || talk 13:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

section split

I think the soundtrack of Mughal-e-Azam can have a seperate article, the reason that there is a huge history behind it. Particularly in the making of Pyaar kiya to darna kya. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

In the current state its not needed. If & when it expands, we can have a separate article. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 05:27, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Ditto Animesh. The section is under construction. But even after completion, I would not like a section split. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 07:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Let's wait to see how big it gets. BollyJeff | talk 12:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Now I believe the soundtrack section is complete, so what do u guys say? create a separate article for it? Kailash29792 (talk) 12:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: This film was dubbed into Tamil and released in 1961 with the title "Akbar". The full list of Soundtrack in Tamil is available in Thiraikalanjiyam Part2. I am not sure how to incorporate this in the article.--UKSharma3 00:41, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Are the songs available on Raaga.com or iTunes? I'm travelling till Monday, so I can't check. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

GA nomination

I must sincerely congratulate user Ankit Bhatt for giving his best efforts to improve this article, all which have ended successfully. Though he's still trying hard to further improve it, I think this article is now itself eligible for a GA nomination. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

While I'm flattered by this praise, I must say that I am absolutely not satisfied with this article yet. There are at least 20 more references and major chunks of information that have not appeared in the article, not to mention some still-ongoing reference addition requirements. I'm working towards a state where this article can pass GA and FA in quick succession; after all, an article on a film like this deserves more than a GA. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 12:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Though he has done a great job, let's be patient. I am sure there is much more that can be added. I want to check all the material now and make sure there are no longer conflicting references. There needs to be agreement among a couple reliable sources for some of the claims here (ex: 8000 troops, pure gold statues, recreating Sheesh Mahal, etc.) Also, if it can make FA, didn't we want to wait until 2013 for the anniversary? BollyJeff | talk 15:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Some aspects of this article will have conflicting sources; our job is to add all these sources and clearly say that "it is conflicted". That way, we retain comprehensiveness and do not hide information, since missing out any particular conflicting source can be challenged later on. Btw, what anniversary are you talking about? ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 17:00, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Centenary_year BollyJeff | talk 17:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but that is not the centenary of this film. The centenary applies for Raja Harishchandra. I was actually planning to make this an FA so that it could appear on the Main Page on August 5, 2012. No particular reason (2010 would have been the best year, but ah well!) ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 17:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I thought the whole point of that discussion was to setup several articles to be promoted in 2013, the anniversary of Indian Cinema. You are very optimistic, setting an FA date for this, when Ra.One is still not done. BollyJeff | talk 18:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The aim was to get this to FA by May 3, 2013 (the 100 year anniversary). And yeah, call me an optimist, it makes me do things better :P. The Ra.One FA review is simply... dead. I mean, no supports, no opposes, just one comment and a whole week gone. No idea why. Perhaps all the necessary reviewers have already seen the article and are no longer interested. Dunno what to do... ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 18:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

We can have as many articles ready as FAs for appearances. We can then choose which one should go on 5th May.
Was just watching some makings of this film on Youtube and WOW! i would love this article for 5th May than any other. All editors do watch those clips. Even if they can not be used as reliable sources it would atleast give you an idea of what you need to search for. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 19:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Link please. BollyJeff | talk 19:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

There should be many more.... playlist, one segment is missing out of 7, K Asif's family speaks 1, 2 and 3, has good on-set and premier day clippings, IBN Live's take on making, has few good speakers, 1, 2, 3, 4. Last 5 links are good. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I have added them as external links and used a few bits as citations; have not viewed them all yet. I am not sure if this is the best citation format, but it's the same one we used on K3G. BollyJeff | talk 19:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Contradictions

I suppose many more contradictions in sources would come. One current case i see is below.

Filmfare Awards

We do not have any good online sources for old Filmfare Awards. Our source of info is usually this pdf and i dont know why. However it contradicts with IMDB's entry. Neither of the two are RS.

Category	PDF	IMDB	Problem?
Best Lyricist	Shakeel Badayuni for Chaudhvin Ka Chand Shailendra for Dil Apna Aur Preet Parai Majrooh Sultanpuri for Sujata	Shakeel Badayuni for Chaudhvin Ka Chand Shailendra for Dil Apna Aur Preet Parai Shakeel Badayuni for Mughal-e-Azam	Oh yes. However Sujata has won other awards in the previous ceremony. The PDF seems wrong.
Best Film	Mughal-e-Azam Masoom Parakh Ankur	Mughal-e-Azam Masoom Parakh	Not for this article. But we rely on this PDF which mentions some Ankur as nominee. Two films with this title are Benegal's 1974 film and some American Hindi 2010 film.

Rest all awards match, at least for this film. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:22, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

These sources says 5 crore for the restoration: economictimes, rediff. I don't have highbeam yet; is that 50 crore source really reliable? Afterall, 5 crore = 50 million, so maybe its a misprint. BollyJeff | talk 13:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Its definitely reliable; Highbeam does not research on its own, it simply collects articles. The original source for the 50 crore figure comes from HT, I think. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 15:44, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion

Instead of having a non-free image of Madhubala i would suggest adding a non-free video clip of "Pyar Kiya To Darna Kya". From 4:06 till 6:06 from here. It would cover many important points.

• The start from 4:06 has a long shot showing a good view of Sheesh Mahal. The start of the video from 0:01 would give better view of Sheesh Mahal but alas we cant have full video.
• These 2mins include glimpses of all four main characters of the film. We won't get Nigar Sultana in this, but she is seen in quite early shots and kuch paane ke liye kuch khona bhi padta hai.
• The piece includes the classic mirror sequence.
• Also would be an example of much acclaimed Mangeshkar's singing.
• Includes the important & beautiful line (IMO), "Parda nahi jab koi khudase, bandonse parda karna kya".

§§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

That would be better suited to the film's soundtrack article (which seems inevitable; I've taken a break from this article to focus on some others, but I'll definitely be back soon.) ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 17:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Given the age of this film, are we sure that this stuff is still non-free? What is the copyright length in India? If you check out articles like Katherine Hepburn, it is full of pictures from 1975 and earlier, but not after. BollyJeff | talk 18:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The film's color photos are certainly in copyright, since it came out in 2004. The only doubt remains as to whether copyright exists for the older images; the black-and-white images will be non-free provided that the producers did not renew the copyright on those images in the re-release period.There is one photo I am very eager to upload, which will definitely be free - a photo of Nargis as Anarkali. That is an ideal free image (since in India, copyright age is 50 years). ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 18:34, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

So if we don't know if was renewed...what can be done?? Also, I don't think its normal to use pictures of people who were not in the film. BollyJeff | talk 00:43, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

My plan had been to place it in the development section. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 15:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

In Historical Inaccuracies, "When the film's Salim returns from his time in the military, he is depicted as a gentle and romantic hero, in contrast to the real Salim, who was documented as a brutal drunk who would often beat people to death."

Documented where? If in the Akbarnama or any work by Abul Fazl Ibn Mubarak or works derived from his works, a note should be made that Abul Fazl was a political rival of Salim's and his accounts of Salim's personality should be treated with some scepticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marq au (talk • contribs) 06:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Marq au, read this source which is already there: "In real life, Salim was a heavy consumer of alcohol and opium, though these habits did not start until he was 18. It is also true that he was brutal: he castrated one servant, beat another to death, and had a writer who wrote nasty things about him flayed alive while he watched." Kailash29792 (talk) 06:30, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes thanks, but that is my point. The reference is to a movie review blog, not to a primary source. It is hardly authoritative on the actual personality of Prince Salim. Most of the accounts of the the life of Salim come from Abul Fazl, and as Salim famously wrote in the Jahangir Nama,

“Shaikh Abul Fazl, who excelled the Shaikhzadas of Hindustan in wisdom and learning, had adorned himself outwardly with the jewel of sincerity, and sold it to my father at a heavy price.”

In other words, Abul Fazl lied, and he lied terribly about Salim who was his political enemy in order to discredit him in the eyes of the emperor. Salim was supported by the household faction (Hamida Banu, his mother Mariam and the other empresses) who opposed the Amirs led by Abul Fazl. Salim's personality apparently changes remarkably after the murder of Abul Fazl by Salim's ally, Vir Singh Deo. Some historians ludicrously put this down to two weeks locked in his father's bathroom after their reconciliation, but far more likely simply that Abul Fazl was out of the picture and unable to slander him.

Also in terms of historical inaccuracies, Akbar never had an empress contemporarily called Jodha Bai and certainly not one called "Maharani" Jodha Bai as in the credits of the movie and as perpetuated in other famous Indian Movies. Salim's mother was Hira Kunwari, later entitled Mariam-uz-Zamani after the birth of Prince Salim. Salim's fatherhood is subject to speculation, the evidence favouring one of the sons of Sheik Salim Chisti rather than Akbar.Marq au (talk) 06:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Non-free media

There are currently 4-5 non-free media in the article, with a poster, a DVD cover and three screenshots. While I am unsure if all of them would be necessary to satisfy WP:NFCC, it would be nice if the article had its images reviewed. Secret of success (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you know how we can find out if the copyright has expired, at least on the black-and-white one? See above discussion for context. BollyJeff | talk 00:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

See Template:PD-India. The work can be considered free only if "In case of a photograph, work of cinema, sound recording, anonymous work, or governmental work, it was published more than 60 years ago". Secret of success (talk) 14:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

It's gonna be another boring plain article then. Hopefully the b-w to color comparison is justified. BollyJeff | talk 15:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

complete?

this article hasn't been edited in a while, but looks fair and large enough. Is it complete and stable enough to get a GA nomination? Kailash29792 (talk) 14:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I think so. Ankitbhatt has been absent for a while now. When he comes back, he can try to acheive FA, but I think it is suitable for GA now, so I am going to nominate it. BollyJeff | talk 15:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

all the best. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mughal-e-Azam/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: I will be reviewing this article. Animeshkulkarni (talk · contribs) 07:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Some random points:

• "The film currently enjoys a 100% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes"... When does currently mean?

 Done

• "Due to her heart condition, she could no longer accept any new parts, and was unable even to finish some films that were underway."... The reference provided verifies this statement. But if you see Madhubala's article you would see few films that released in '61 and '62. They could very well have been accepted beforehand and also worked on beforehand. But it still sounds like Dinesh Raheja (referred article's author) has drawn some conclusion by himself. Raheja's reputation and notability, though better than many other 24-hr-news-channel writers, can not be relied upon this issue. I am objecting only "she could no longer accept any new parts" part.

Let me research this some more. BollyJeff | talk 02:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done

• In "Accolades" section when all awards are mentioning names of nominees in brackets, "Best Dialogues" should also do that.

 Done

• All entries in "Books" section should have citation.

Why? The ISBN links will lead you to them. BollyJeff | talk 00:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Do they? One of those took me here. And what is that? I got better results with bare number directly on Google. Could be i don't know how to use it. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Click on "Find this book" at Google Book Search online database. It takes you there quicker than the search you did. BollyJeff | talk 12:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• "See also" section is unnecessary. WP:LAYOUT.

 Done

• All references are not in same format style. (Just pointing this out as i know this article aspires to be FA in near future.)

Noted. This is mostly done now, but not all are archived. BollyJeff | talk 02:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• ""stamped" with the official seal of the Akbarnama"... What does seal of Akbarnama mean? That was a book, right?

 Done

Glad you explained more. But if Akbarnama is a book, how does it have a seal? A office, officer, committee, king, etc. have seals. I am not understanding how a book has a seal. It could be Akbar's seal or Mughal empire's seal or something like that.

 Done

• The "Reception" and "Critical reception" sections start with "universal" acclaims. By "universal" one would assume that Korean and French critics also acclaimed the film.

 Done

• "The song "Mohe Panghat Pe" was objected to by director Vijay Bhatt"... How is Bhatt related with the film? Was he commenting just as a friend or was he assisting in this film?

I would assume as a friend, but its not clear from the source. Must it be deleted? BollyJeff | talk 22:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Me too. No! Let it be. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

• Infobox should have the re-release date; just like the re-release time.

I will be updating the dates and times soon. BollyJeff | talk 02:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done

• "Before migrating, Ali suggested the name"... "Before migrating" sounds so filmy. I am visualizing Ali sitting in the train and suggesting Pallonji's name to Asif, as Asif runs along on the platform.

 Done

That's better. But i did not find any reference to Ali suggesting the name.

§§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Source 11, "Saga of all sagas" says "Shiraz Ali Hakeem who originally conceived “Mughal-e-Azam” went over to Pakistan after Partition and suggested Parsi businessman Shapoorji Pallonji to invest in the film." BollyJeff | talk 16:06, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

• "the stage-play was (in an unrelated manner) adapted for film as Anarkali (1953)"... This is killer. What happened with Anarkali? Who directed it? Who were in it? Did it succeed as good as this did? Write a line about the film, of course, without directly comparing the two films.

 Done

• "The cinematography by R. D. Mathur, and the choreography was executed by famed Kathak dancer Lachchu Maharaj, who agreed to be a part of the film after initial reluctance."... I assume the reluctance was of Lachchu Maharaj. But i did not find that in the reference. Maybe i overlooked. The sentence is still confusing. It can be rephrased.

 Done

• A para in "Principal photography" starts with "Certain sequences of the film utilized 14 cameras," and then it talks about all the props used in the film. The opening would suggest that technical equipments would be discussed here. That line can be moved to "Design" where alongside R. D. Mathur's problem it would fit better.

 Done

• Mentioning "Additional crew members" after "ultimate break-up of Kumar and Madhubala" is also a killer. Although we won't be satisfying gossip-mongers it is better to end para at the break-up news.

Not sure where else it fits. BollyJeff | talk 02:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

It could now go after "..was executed by famed Kathak dancer Lachchu Maharaj."

 Done

• "The film's lighting faced a number of difficulties, with Mathur reported to have taken eight hours to light a single shot.".... It could be confusing for readers to know who exactly Mathur was. They have already heard many names till now and for non-Indians it would be more confusing. And Mathur is not key person in this article like Asif, Kumar or Kapoor. We can use "cinematographer Mathur" here.

 Done

• "with the opening lyrics of "Mohe Panghat Pe" being composed by Thakur Prasad."... Who is Thakur Prasad? Please introduce him.

 Done

• "A statue of Lord Krishna, to which Jodhabai prayed, was made of pure gold."... Its better to add "that appears in the song "Mohe Panghat Pe"". That way readers can go on Youtube and see the statue easily.

I did not see it in the song on YT. BollyJeff | talk 02:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Right! My mistake. It is shown just before the song but not in it. Forget this.

Will come back with more. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 13:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• All 4 lines that use references in lead and infobox are referred to in the article. Refs from there can be removed.

 Done

• "His father sends him off to war in order to learn courage and discipline."... Shouldn't it be "make him learn" or "teach him". This sounds like Akbar is learning. But i could be wrong.

 Done

• WP:ALT missing on images.

 Done

• Lead has not summarized the Music section.

 Done

• "debuting against three other releases – Veer-Zaara, Aitraaz and Naach." ...One liner fate of these films should be included.

 Done

• Sheesh Mahal was constructed in Mohan Studios. Were all indoor sets constructed there itself? (Needed for FA.)

Don't know, will have to wait. BollyJeff | talk 03:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

• "Belgian glass". Any suitable wikilink there?

No. BollyJeff | talk 03:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

• Ref 1 "Celluloid Monument" has quite a lot of info about re-released music that is missing from the article.

Will add soon. BollyJeff | talk 03:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

• That ref also says that film was selected for seven international film festivals. (Needed for FA.)

 Done

• ".. in addition to hosting "the entire film industry,"" .... Quotes not in ref.

 Done

• "Ziya Us Salam described Mughal-e-Azam.." .... "of The Hindu" should be added.

 Done

• "A total of 20 songs were composed for the film, with Naushad charging ₹3,000 per song."... Referred source says, "Almost 20 songs were recorded for Mughal-e-Azam at the price of Rs. 3000 a song." It doesn't mean that Naushad charged this amount. It could mean the recording studio charged it.
• "..released theatrically on 12 November 2004 in 130–150 prints" ... Current refs 1 & 3 both say 150 prints. Where is this 130 coming from?

 Done

• All Highbeam refs 23, 24, 25 and 49 should note that registration is required. (Needed for FA.)

How? BollyJeff | talk 00:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done we add "|format=Registration required" in the reference.

• Ref 31's Webcite link doesn't work.

Please use names (for those below as well), the numbers have changed. BollyJeff | talk 00:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Webcite link and Original. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 06:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done - removed.

• "he did not provide the vocals for any of the film's songs."... Although referenced, how is this relevant? Did other actors like Madhubala and Sultana sing any pieces?

 Done

• The ragas referred to are from a Highbeam source. I can't seem them. But if the source says which song is from which Raga please add that in the para or below each entry in the tracklist.

I don't have access to Highbeam yet either. BollyJeff | talk 03:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• "..Shiraz Ali Ahmed, owner of the Movietone Studios in Mumbai.[12]".... Ref 12 here does not say that he owned Movietone Studios. There is no Wikipedia article on Ahmed and hence this would require reference.

 Done - no source found

• "On the occasion of Mughal-e-Azam's fiftieth anniversary, producer Shapoorji Pallonji Group put up a website commemorating the event.[57]"... Ref doesn't say anything at all. It just verifies that such website exists.

What would you like to see here? BollyJeff | talk 15:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Ummm...I dont know. This is okay i suppose. Marking it done. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• "Art director Omung Kumar, who designs sets for major Indian films" .... Some examples of his work? Black, Saawariya could be mentioned. He doesn't have any article here. Hence.

 Done

• In one of the refs i read somewhere that Uttam Singh assisted Naushad in the recreated music. Don't know which reference. They have his photo also with Naushad. That should go in.

I see where he did the re-recording of the soundtrack; will add it later. BollyJeff | talk 03:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Ref 17 Original link is another example of Times of India's article that was not liked by few regular editors. See this discussion Wikipedia_talk:INCINE#The_Times_of_India. Such single liner tweet articles can not be relied upon. As this information is correct and is easily verified through other sources already used in the article, i would prefer if it is excluded.

 Done

• Is News.oneindia.in. ref 55 reliable?

Yes. Secret of success (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

It says the source of this news is UNI. What news agency is that? I couldn't find it. Any idea? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

UNI appears to stand for United News of India. Certainly is reputed. Secret of success (talk) 07:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Okay! §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 08:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

• Is some PDF uploaded on Google pages ref 48 reliable?

Yes. Secret of success (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

How? Refer some problems mentioned here. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Sounds complicated. Secret of success (talk) 07:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

For this particular article these awards can probably be sourced from somewhere else. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 08:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you think this site is reliable? I am having a hard time finding non-conflicting, reliabe linformation on awards. Another site that is often used for filmfare shows no entries for this year. BollyJeff | talk 23:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I suppose i am mostly done. Will go through the GA checklist finally when these points are taken care of. Will probably also note down some FA related points now that they are striking. You need not take care of those now. Will simply note them down for future. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I might not be able to finish this for several days due to limited ability to log on. Give me some time. BollyJeff | talk 00:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Lets go through the checklist now.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

The article would pass as GA when above mentioned points are resolved. Till then i am putting this on hold. Other editors are still welcome to review the article and comment. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I think that everything has now been addressed. BollyJeff | talk 16:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Not really. Check the markings . Also i have to do some sample checks to see if http://www.awardsandshows.com/ is reliable or not. Will close the review after that. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I tried contacting the user who uploaded the document, but they have not been active on WP for over a year. I have pretty much run out of ideas for finding more sources; even Highbeam did not help. Would you prefer that the article lists no awards? BollyJeff | talk 16:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No! I am passing the GA now. The pdf isn't exactly reliable but for this particular article it is okay. Good job. Keep up. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

• Congratulation to all the editors, specially to those all major and active editors. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Oscar entry

The article claims the film was an official entry for Oscars (only in the lede). I could not find any web/published sources verifying the same. I came across this article which says no Indian film was sent to Oscars in 1960. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:48, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Claim has been removed. BollyJeff | talk 14:05, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Post GA

I had included some points needed for the FA in the GA review itself. I missed one such then.

• The "Critical reception" section gives reviews of the film from the present-day critics. All of those are based on the re-released version. These reviews wouldn't actually change had the colour version been not released because they majorly speak of the whole film and not simply the colours. But lack of reviews from the original release is noticeable here. Only few reviews (Laura Bushell of BBC and Ashis Nandy's book) are based on the original film. More of those are needed. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

But if present day critics review the film from the old point of view (without saying terms like "it was the greatest of it's time", but like "it is the grandest i have ever seen") along with technical aspects exclusive to the old film, then thats acceptable. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thats right. Present day reviews will stay and they are notable. But surely from 1960 to 2004 something more has been written than the above mentioned two reviews. That is missing. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It is "unfortunate" that "forgettance" is the disease that the nation is suffering from. Not only that, even valuable evidence blows away like sand in wind, so not many old reviews may remain. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Improve the transliteration of the Persoan Poem.

The transliteration of the Persian poem could be improved from: ta Kiyamat shukr geom kardgate khwesh ra, Aah garman bez benaam roo-e yare khwesh ra",

to: tâ qiyâmat shukr dehom kardgâr-e khwêsh râ, Âh gar man bâz bênom rû-y-e yâr-e khwêsh râ.

It would also be good to know if the abjad for this particular line of poetry gives the Hejirah year of her death?

Thanks for your consideration.

David Chaffetz December 11, 2016 59.149.193.166 (talk) 13:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

In other media

I heard there was a stage version. See http://www.ncpamumbai.com/event/mughal-e-azam and http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/mughal-e-azam-a-world-class-indian-production-at-last/20161027.htm for more about it. Darci (talk) 03:02, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Added to article, thanks. Bollyjeff | talk 14:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Bollyjeff, I found a contemporary review of this film, dated 12 August 1960. It is on page 3. Please see what you can add from it since you appear to be better than me at not violating WP:QUOTEFARM. --Kailash29792 (talk) 14:51, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Sources

• Production (Hindustan Times) --Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 07:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that info from this source should be added to the article? What part? Bollyjeff | talk 03:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Reverts with RW

Copied from Kailash29792 user's talk page:

You have been reverting edits by others with comments such as "RW 16.1" or "RW 16". Clicking on them takes us to the RedWarn page with no mention of what 16.1 means. I assume it is the software version, in which case that page should mention it as such. In any case, the revert comment does not explain why something was reverted. For example you reverted this edit at Mughal-e-Azam as vandalism. - Jay ^Talk 11:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

It was unsourced, hence I reverted it. But I agree I should have used a different method of reverting. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Translation of the film name

Kailash29792, the translation you reverted from greatest to emperor, seems to have been there from 2009. Can you provide more details of the FA pass that you mentioned in the revert summary? Jay ^(Talk) 03:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Page 33 of this book goes with the emperor translation, and it should be considered RS as it is written by a reputed film scholar. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

You may want to add the citation in case someone changes the translation again. And add the quote from the page that mentions it. I don't have access to the source, so I don't know what is written. In any case, I was not looking for a source, but a possible link based on your comment that said "...this was the translation used during the FA pass..." Jay ^(Talk) 05:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Behold. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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• Dilip Kumar —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 03:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)