Talk:Margaret D. Nadauld

Latest comment: 6 days ago by Davemc0 in topic Notable

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A Margaret D. Nadauld article was deleted in 2018 using the AfD process. There was very little discussion around the deletion, just the nominator and one approver both reporting having done a reasonable amount of notability checks and not finding much. Notability was the only issue mentioned. I don't know what sources the original article used that failed to establish notability. The deletion was so long ago that contacting the deletor or restoring the original article didn't seem like the direction I should go.

This new article establishes notability by using over 25 different sources. These are a mix of primary and secondary. Some sources are arguably not independent, such as the Church's copies of her general conference talks and the Church's bio page for her. Others are independent of Nadauld, but institutionally connected and therefore potentially not considered independent. These include Church Newsroom, the Church News, Deseret News, and BYU. Others are clearly, irrefutably independent, including the Provo Daily Herald and the Salt Lake Tribune, which was founded specifically for the purpose of being a counterpoint to the Church's viewpoint, as detailed in its WP article. And some secondary sources are academic historical research papers published in 2015, assessing impact of various initiatives during Nadauld's tenure. As a whole, this all establishes the notability of the article's subject.

Other factors regarding Nadauld's notability:

  • She was global president of a one million-plus member organization. This is a big deal.
  • The organization has had sixteen presidents in its 144-year history, and Nadauld is the only one who does not have a WP article, despite serving a full term of five years. I tend to believe the deletion of Nadauld's page would be an error (if it were sourced properly), rather than the creation of the other fifteen pages being errors.
  • Seven other WP pages reference Margaret D. Nadauld. This is specified as a measure of notability.
  • WP:SUSTAINED is established by several factors:
    • the luncheon honoring her nine years after leaving office and the news report of the honor,
    • the published research from 2015 assessing her impact,
    • the television interview with Nadauld in 2015 analyzing organization changes made by the church,
    • multiple invitations to speak at university graduations in the decades since her service, and
    • the fact that several quotes from her speeches and books regularly appear on social media and quote collections, such as on Goodreads, twenty-plus years after her tenure. I could link several of these as sources if necessary, but this google image search shows several hundred examples: [1].

Davemc0 (talk) 01:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC) Davemc0 (talk) 01:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Davemc0 The place to argue against deletion is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Margaret D. Nadauld (2nd nomination) (follow the link which says "the deletion discussion"). PamD 08:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I understand that. I wrote the above *before* this new article was nominated for deletion, so there was no way to put it on the deletion page. I hoped that potential deletors would read the talk page and do a WP:BEFORE search before nominating it for deltion. Alas...
Given what you've read here I would sure appreciate if you would weigh in with a Keep on the deletion page. Davemc0 (talk) 18:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)Reply