Talk:Kurt Schuschnigg

Why "von" Schuschnigg?

Does anyone why Schuschnigg has a von in his name in the title of this page? Aristocratic titles and particles like this were abolished in Austria in 1918 1919. I am thus inclined to move the page to Kurt Schuschnigg. Martg76 18:41, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I do agree! FormerlyUnregisteredUser 10:36, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

When he became Chancellor, there were no titles anymore in Austria, so that's quite right. When in office, he was plain Kurt Schuschnigg. In Germany, nobility was abolished as well in 1919, but differently from Austria, the titles continued to be part of the name of the person until today. Kraxler 18:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is about a person, a former Chancellor of a state, and therefore obviously a historically significant figure regardless of his political views or his background. Throughout his life, both before and after the Second World War, he was referred to as Kurt von Schuschnigg or Dr. Kurt von Schuschnigg (See The Times obituary notice, 19 November 1977; Allan Bullock’s Hitler: A Study in Tyranny; William L. Shirer’s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich; Gitta Sereny ‘s Albert Spear: His Battle with Truth, and many more. I think it was a mistake to change this article’s title from the original (Kurt von Schuschnigg) and I intend to change it back to Kurt von Schuschnigg. The fact that the 'von' designation was officially abolished in 1918 or 1919 is irrelevant because we are concerned with what name he was known by and referred to and not with whether or not he was entitled to use the designation. 3ig-350125 (talk) 15:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Place of death

Is Mutters a suburb of Innsbruck? Or is either the beginning or the ending of the article wrong? Rlquall 01:14, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A quick google search reveals that it is five kilometers from Innsbruck, located at the entrance of the Stubaital. Martg76 07:51, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mutters is an independent township, I corrected this. Kraxler 18:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

About the "von"

A relative of mine was a student of the subject of this article at St. Louis University. She said he most certainly used the "von" as part of his name, and always addressed him by the name "von Schuschnigg". I've not checked old staff directories at SLU, but he may well have been listed that way. (My impression was always that his use of the hereditary title - if he did use it - was more of a personal/informal thing, related to his personal sense of "Austrian identity", possibly as a means of distancing himself from any "German -NAZI- identity" It may well not have been something he used in published works, etc. However, I've always heard "von Schuschnigg".) 4.245.82.75 (talk) 05:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC) Trinitite4.245.82.75 (talk) 05:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Schuschnigg was of an aristocratic nature and conservative to the bone, so of course he referred to himself by the abolished title. Also, he didn't want to distance himself from German identity, because he was a convinced German nationalist ("Deutschnational"). He always rejected the idea of an "Austrian" nation. 62.47.63.173 (talk) 09:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I had the pleasure and honor to be Dr. Kurt von Schuschnigg's student during my senior year at St. Louis University (1967-68). We became close friends. After he retired and moved home to Austria we stayed in touch. He was even kind enough to write a letter of recommendation for me for graduate school. It is my very clear recollection that he always used "von Schuschnigg" and was known as such throughout his career at St. Louis University. He was an extremely kind professor and friend who kept regular office hours and always made time for his students. He had a sense of personal dignity without displaying any touch of arrogance. To hear him describe in person his historic meeting with Hitler was truly unforgettable. Zebracove (talk) 02:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

As the article explains, titles of nobility and nobility as a privilege were abolished by law in 1919 in Austria. The use of the "von" was absolutely forbidden for Austrian citizens in Austria at the time he was Chancellor, and he did certainly not sign any official documents with "von". However, many Austrians, after leaving the country, used the nobility particle and/or other former titles as part of their names. (This has been the German manner since nobility as such had been abolished there in 1919, but the use of the former titles was permitted as part of the name of a person.) Kraxler (talk) 12:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Work in Progress

I have taken an interest in this article and over the next few weeks I intend to expand it. I am working with multiple sources and will, of course, provide references as appropriate. At the same time I shall clean the article of unreferenced material so that, hopefully, the article’s class rating may be raised from ‘start class’ to a higher level. I added a ‘Work in Progress’ template at the top of the article. When I finished I shall remove it together with the present ‘refimprove’ template. 3ig-350125 (talk) 20:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

marriage

On 1 June 1938, at Vienna, Kurt von Schuschnigg married Vera Aloysia Emma Theresia Maria Josefine Czernin von und zu Chudenitz (1904-1959), daughter of Rudolf Czernin von und zu Chudenitz (1881-1928) and his wife Vera zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfürst-Kaunitz (1882-1940). She had just divorced Leopold Fugger von Babenhausen (1893-66).

(This came up with regard to the possible return of a Vermeer purchased by Hitler from her brother, Jaromir, who was married to a woman of Jewish origins, on the grounds that the sale was less than voluntary. The Vermeer is currently at the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna.

It seems that, from the chronology documented in this article, that von Schuschnigg would have been under house arrest around this time. Could this be possible? It certainly seems odd. - Nunh-huh 15:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Found my answer. From the New York Times of 4 June 1938: "Former Chancellor Kurt Schuschnigg was married to Countess Vera Fugger von Babenhausen by proxy on Wednesday in the church of the Dominican Fathers here, it was revealed today. Dr. Schuschnigg was not permitted to go to the church personally nor was the ceremony possible at his place of detention because no Catholic priest has been allowed to visit him since March 11.." - Nunh-huh 16:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional info, from The American Catholic who's who, Volume 14 By Georgina Pell Curtis, Benedict Elder, p. 410. [1]. This was his second marriage, and he had one child from each of his two marriages.

Schuschnigg, Kurt Von, educator: b. Riva (sul lago di Garda), Dec.14 '97: s. Arthur and Anna (Wopfner) von S.; educ. Stella Matutina (H.S.), Feldkirch. '07-15, LL.D. U. of Innsbruck, Austria, '21, hon. LL.D. Rockford (III.) Coll. '48; wed Herma Masera (d. '35), Vera (Countess) Czernin, of Prague, June 1 '38; ch.— Kurt ('26), Maria Dolores ('41). Lawyer, Innsbruck, '23-27; mem. Austrian Parliament, '27- 33; minister of justice, '32-34, minister of pub. education, '33-34; chancellor of Austria, '34-38; prof, of govt. St. Louis (Mo.) U., '48—. Author: Austrian Constitution ('29), My Austria ('38), Austrian Requiem ('47). Arty. officer, Austrian Army, World War I (5 decorations). Grand Cordon, Papal Order of Pius, Papal Order of Gregory, Kt. of Malta, Legion of Honor (France), LL.D. Mt. Mary Coll. '52; mem. Am. Polit. Sci. Assn. Home: 424 Essex av., Kirkwood. Office: St. Louis Univ., St. Louis 3, Mo.

Note that there must have been a Catholic annulment of Vera's first marriage, since her second marriage was also a Catholic one. It also seems that Kurt & Vera may have had a second, later ceremony when they could both be in the same room; Kurt's brother had stood in for him at the first ceremony. - Nunh-huh 16:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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