Talk:Antisemitism in Islam
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Misleading title
editThe first reaction when I read this title is "Oh Islam is by essence judeophobic". Like its a clearly defined section and part of it. Chapter 5: Be Judeophobic. It is totally wrong. I understand there are not a lot of experts in Islam in Western society but guys this is a science website. When we don't know something we ask experts. Proven experts. (I am not an expert but apparently I know more than the initial author of the article / title about the pure theological part of this religion).
I am also very disappointed by the lack of accuracy and scope in this article that makes it extremely misleading to the point it leads people into thinking something wrong: Islam has judeophobic views.
So yes, first of all, we should say judeophobic instead of antisemitic. Because as you mentionned it semitic means something totally different.
It mixes 2 different problems:
- The relationship between Islam and Judaism (the pure theory of the religion)
- The relationship between muslims and jews (the social nature of people)
Islam as a religion has no hate against Judaism. Its only stance is that the teachings of Moses and following prophets until Jesus have been corrupted by the sons of Israel with edits and inserts of things that were not there initially. That's all. So it just says "This judaic religion is irrelevant because we lost the original content and it is crippled by lies". There is no hate in Islam against people solely because of their religion.
Now indeed there is judeophobic people who identify as muslims and use Islam as a way to justify their hatred as being legit. But the same goes for all communities. Jewish people hating muslims based on their religion... Atheist and christians, so on and so forth. There is no new info there.
So what's the point of this article anyway ? It feels totally irrelevant.
I see 3 options:
- delete it (I saw it was proposed yet rejected, I need to read the argument why I am curious to see what was useful in it)
- modify the title to speak of judeophobia in countries with a majority of muslims (and then we will need to do the same for every single religion ??? Next islamophobia in Israel, in France...)
- modify the the title to mention just the relationship of obsolescence between Islam and Judaism and focus only on that. The study of the thoery and not behaviour of people (sure why not, that could be interesting)
This is the classic mistake. Person X has trait A and thinks B implies that whoever has A thinks B which is totally wrong. There is not necessarly a causality link between A and B. It has to be proven. This is often used in hate speeches as a logical fallacy and I see it in this article.
Anyway I am all ears because honestly this is a mess.
scope
editThe supposed scope of this article is antisemitism in Islam, not antisemitism by Muslims. The entirety of the Islamic antisemitism in Europe section is off-topic here. nableezy - 23:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Then there are two possible ways to solve this issue: 1. To change the scope and the name of the article to "Antisemitism in Islam and by Muslims", or 2. Create a separate article called "Antisemitism by Muslims". Which one do you prefer? Vegan416 (talk) 06:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- The latter. nableezy - 11:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)