Talk:Homophobia in the African American community

Removed info

Daily Kos is not a reliable source:

"Black Homophobia". Daily Kos. Retrieved 2014-01-21.

Wholesomegood (talk) 04:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

merged Homophobia in the Black Diasporic community article with this one

The original Homophobia in the Black Diasporic community article is god awful. So I moved that articles information here.

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'''Homophobia in the Black Diasporic community '''is any negative [[prejudice]] or form of [[discrimination]] within the [[Black community|Black Diasporic community]] towards [[homosexuals]] or people who identify as [[LGBT]]. Despite the black community being more likely to self-identify as being LGBT, [[homophobia]] from black people is common.
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==United States==

{{Main|Homophobia in the African American community}}

In a 2012 survey of 120,000 adults, [[African Americans]] were more likely to self-identify as [[lesbian]], [[gay]], [[bisexual]] or [[transgender]] ([[LGBT]]) than other racial or ethnic groups in the [[United States]]. According to the data, 4.6% of African-Americans identify as LGBT, significantly higher than 3.4% of the population overall.<ref>{{cite web|title=Gallup Special Report: The U.S. Adult LGBT Population|url=http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/census-lgbt-demographics-studies/gallup-special-report-18oct-2012/|publisher=The Williams Institute, Gallup|accessdate=23 October 2012|author=Gary J. Gates|author2=Frank Newport|date=October 2012}}</ref>

[[Homosexuality]] is often seen as antithetical to being black in the African American community.<ref>{{cite book|url=http://books.google.com/?id=a8xK1TAjDfMC&pg=PA193&lpg=PA193&dq=homosexuality+antithetical+black#v=onepage&q=homosexuality%20antithetical%20black&f=false |title=Home Girls: A Black Feminist Anthology - Google Books |publisher=Books.google.co.uk |accessdate=2012-10-24|isbn=9780813527536|year=1983}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|url=http://books.google.com/?id=MIhPoZ2NHSMC&pg=PA1009&lpg=PA1009&dq=homosexuality+antithetical+black#v=onepage&q=homosexuality%20antithetical%20black&f=false |title=African American Religious Thought: An Anthology - Cornel West, Eddie S. Glaude - Google Books |publisher=Books.google.co.uk |accessdate=2012-10-24|isbn=9780664224592|year=2003}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|url=http://books.google.com/?id=o8rmPRIgCVAC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=homosexuality+antithetical+black#v=onepage&q=homosexuality%20antithetical%20black&f=false |title=Queer in Black and White: Interraciality, Same Sex Desire, and Contemporary ... - Stefanie K. Dunning - Google Books |publisher=Books.google.co.uk |date=2009-04-21 |accessdate=2012-10-24|isbn=0253221099}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|url=http://books.google.com/?id=ed_Crzqurv8C&pg=PA250&lpg=PA250&dq=homosexuality+antithetical+black#v=onepage&q=homosexuality%20antithetical%20black&f=false |title=Black Men on Race, Gender, and Sexuality: A Critical Reader - Google Books |publisher=Books.google.co.uk |accessdate=2012-10-24|isbn=9780814715536|year=1999}}</ref> One of the main reasons for this is because of the black communities' associations with the church in the United States.<ref>{{cite news|title= Why Blacks Evolved So 'Quickly' on Gay Marriage|publisher= Huffington Post|url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/black-community-gay-marriage_b_1567781.html|accessdate=2012-09-27|first=Keith|last=Boykin|date=2012-06-05}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/us/gospel-music-book-challenges-black-homophobia.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0|title=Gospel Music Book Challenges Black Homophobia|newspaper=[[The New York Times]]|accessdate=2012-09-29 {{login required}}|first=Samuel G.|last=Freedman|date=2012-06-01}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-anson/resistant-homophobia-in-t_b_997328.html |title=Aaron Anson: Resistant Homophobia in the Black Community |publisher=Huffingtonpost.com |accessdate=2012-09-29 |date=2011-10-07}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|author=February 11, 2009, 2:01 PM |url=http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-502323_162-4606656.html |title=Column: Homophobia In The Black Community |publisher=CBS News |date=2009-02-11 |accessdate=2012-09-29}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|author=Bill Maxwell |url=http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/homophobia-its-a-black-thing/1175642 |title=Homophobia: It's a black thing - Tampa Bay Times |publisher=Tampabay.com |accessdate=2012-09-29}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Haque |first=Fahima |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/therootdc/post/black-men-dandyism-masculinity-and-homophobia/2012/02/01/gIQAfOffkQ_blog.html |title=Black Men: Dandyism, masculinity and homophobia - The Root DC Live |publisher=The Washington Post |date=2011-02-22 |accessdate=2012-09-29}}</ref> Many black advocacy groups have disputed that homophobia is more prevalent in the African American community than other groups as surveys have shown that their attitude towards homosexuality are similar to the rest of the population.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://theweek.com/article/index/228221/the-naacps-gay-marriage-endorsement-is-black-homophobia-overstated |title=The NAACP's gay marriage endorsement: Is black homophobia overstated? |publisher=The Week |date=2012-05-21 |accessdate=2012-09-29}}</ref>

[[Barack Obama]] made a statement to the African American community ""If we are honest with ourselves, we'll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King's vision of a beloved community," and then went on to say "We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them." <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/25/obama-takes-on-the-black-_n_83234.html |title=Obama Takes on the black communities homophobia |publisher=Huffington Post |date=2008-03-28 |accessdate=2013-03-28}}</ref>

Some in the African American community still see [[AIDS]] as a gay disease and homophobia is one of the main barriers preventing better treatment for people in AIDS in the black community. The Article "AIDS still thought of as a gay disease in black America" stated "But the truth is this: while nearly 600,000 African Americans are living with [[HIV]], and as many 30,000 newly infected each year, there is still within the black community one in five living with HIV and unaware of their infection; and, they are disproportionately [[heterosexuals]]. As long as we continue to think of HIV/AIDS as a gay disease, we'll not protect ourselves from this epidemic.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irene-monroe/aids-still-thought-of-as_b_790894.html |title=AIDS still thought of as a gay disease in black America |publisher=Huffington Post |date=2010-12-02 |accessdate=2013-03-28 |first=Irene |last=Monroe}}</ref>

==Britain==

{{Main|Homophobia in the Black British community}}

Homophobia in the [[Black British]] community is prevalent in the United Kingdom.<ref>{{cite news|title= Black Britain urged to accept gay men|publisher= BBC|url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2468329.stm|accessdate=2012-09-27|first=Dominic|last=Casciani|date=2002-11-14}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title= The Bigotry That Dares Not Speak Its Name...|publisher= Daily Mail|url= http://johnsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/09/the-bigotry-that-dares-not-speak-its-name.html|accessdate=2012-09-27|location=London}}</ref> Many homosexuals in the black community get married or have significant others of the opposite sex to hide their sexuality.<ref name="stonewall1">{{cite web|url=http://www.stonewall.org.uk/documents/one_minority_at_a_time_final.pdf |title=One minority at a time : being black and gay |publisher=Stonewall.org.uk |accessdate=2013-11-27}}</ref> In 1998 [[Justin Fashanu]], a gay footballer killed himself after publicly coming out to his brother.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/05/homophobia-football-must-stop |title=My uncle Justin Fashanu and the gay prejudice that lives stubbornly on in football |author=Amal Fashanu |publisher=Theguardian.com |accessdate=2013-11-27}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|author=Angella Johnson |url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089982/John-Fashanu-disapproved-disowned-brother-Justins-gay-lifestyle.html |title=John Fashanu disapproved of and disowned his brother Justin's gay lifestyle | Mail Online |publisher=Dailymail.co.uk |date=2012-01-22 |accessdate=2013-09-02 |location=London}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1361988/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Football-needs-men-like-Justin-Fashanu.html |title=MARTIN SAMUEL: Football needs more men like Justin Fashanu | Mail Online |publisher=Dailymail.co.uk |date=2011-03-03 |accessdate=2013-09-02 |location=London |first=Martin |last=Samuel}}</ref> There is a lot of hate music written in the black community towards LGBT people; campaigns such as [[Stop Murder Music]] have tried to counteract this.<ref>{{cite web|author=Reggae star barred from Britain. |url=http://www.petertatchell.net/pop_music/sizzla.htm |title=Sizzla Denied Visa |publisher=Peter Tatchell |accessdate=2013-08-31}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Cohen |first=Benjamin |url=http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2006/03/20/beverly-knight-hits-out-against-homophobia-in-black-music/ |title=Beverly Knight hits out against homophobia in black music |publisher=PinkNews.co.uk |date=2006-03-20 |accessdate=2013-09-02}}</ref> Much of the black community sees homosexuality as a 'white disease'.<ref name="stonewall1"/><ref>{{cite news|title= How to tackle homophobia, sexism and racism among minority groups|publisher= Guardian|url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/16/tackling-homophobia-sexism-racism|accessdate=2012-09-27|location=London|first=Rob|last=Berkeley|date=2012-07-16}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|author=Tania Branigan |url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/jan/16/gayrights.world |title=Black anti-gay bias targeted | UK news |publisher=The Guardian |accessdate=2013-08-18 |location=London |date=2003-01-16}}</ref>

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[[Category:LGBT African-American culture]]

Sad attempt at a 'revenge' article

The article-creator's own sources place African-American support for gay marriage at 59% and says "that black people have now become more supportive of marriage equality than whites are." [1] Yet the editor claims that "Blacks have been consistently polled to be mostly anti-gay." The editor has created another attack page, Homophobia in the Latino community, but notice the glaring lack of a Homophobia in the White community article. This racist attempt to pathologize Blacks and Latinos was clearly motivated by the overwhelming "keep" votes when Racism in the LGBT community was put up for deletion. The article doesn't even distinguish which "Black community" it's targeting, in the process failing to meet a global perspective. Am86 (talk) 03:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

This will not be a revenge article when I'm finished with it. I'm going to make all these articles well sourced. Besides we don't have an article about racism in the Heterosexual Cisgender community. So why would we need one about Racism in the White community.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Your comparison doesn't make logical sense. I asked why there isn't an article about Homophobia in the White community. Is homophobia a special quality exclusive to Blacks or Latinos? What can be covered in this article that isn't already covered in Homophobia? Am86 (talk) 04:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I see that you added "One of the main reasons for this is because of the black communities associations with the church in the United States." There is an already an article on Christianity and homosexuality. What does homophobia have to do with race? Am86 (talk) 04:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Homophobia in the White community will probably be covered in the Homophobia article. You do realize that homophobia in ethnic communities is a huge problem for LGBT People of Color. You might be right this might have started as a revenge article but starting tommorow I'm going to make it and other articles of this type good articles. They already have alot of sources. And homophobia has nothing to do with ethnicity. Thats not the point of this article anymore than racism has to do with sexual orientation/gender identity.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• I don't know about this being a "revenge" article, but the article seems like a coatrack to me (and this is coming from a pansexual black man). Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 07:01, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Terrible Article

The article lacks a lead, probably because it is totally unclear on what its topic is. Currently it appears to be purely about African-American attitudes to gays, but fudges the issue by describing itself as being about "the black community". There is no such a global "black community" united in its homophobia.

Yes, there is a section about the UK, but this amounts to little other than a "me to".

If a lead could be written that establishes two things;

• what "black community" is being discussed and how it is identified
• there is something uniquely different about its homophobia distinct from all others

Then it would be a whole lot more convincing an article. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 00:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the article should be split into separate articles Homophobia in the African American community and Homophobia in the Black British community so the articles can it be more specific what is being discussed and how it is identified.Dwanyewest (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you honestly think that Homophobia in the Black British community could stand on its own. Usually the reason for a split is because an article is too big and covers too much information. I really do not think that the British side has nearly enough information or sources.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 06:41, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the current title is a good compromise Rainbowofpeace.Dwanyewest (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I think we should either discuss the split proposal now or take it down its been up since August and no one has really talked about it. I still think the article is small enough as it is and don't think it would benefit from the split however i wont take down the notice until its either been discussed or a few days have gone by.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 06:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC)