Talk:Elizabeth, mother of John the Baptist

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This article should be merged with Elisabeth (biblical person). Andres 11:15, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"My God is oath"

"My God is oath" doesn't sound quite right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PiCo (talk • contribs) 06:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

God is good> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.11.174 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

According to Next Bible, Elisabet means "oath of God". That sounds a lot more grammatical. Sander123 11:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

from Pink: Muslims know Elizabeth as Yashbi` I think that this is spelled ياشبع in Arabic (ya alif shin ba `ayn), but I am not sure. This is different than the Christian Arabic name for her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.112.51.45 (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew speaker here. If the name is 'Elisheva' then it means 'My God [is an] oath' (the verb 'to be' is implicit in the present tense), however if it is 'Elishava' then it becomes 'My God has sworn'. Both are written identically.

Islamic view of Elizabeth

As discussed in Women in the Qur'ān, traditions, and interpretation By Barbara Freyer Stowasser page 68. Aquib (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Wrong St. Elizabeth image?

An IP editor has noted at Editor Assistance Requests that the image showing a statute of St. Elizabeth in Superior, Wisconsin, File:Statue_of_Saint_Elizabeth.JPG, is actually a statue of St.Elizabeth of Hungary, who is a 13th Century saint unrelated to the biblical St. Elizabeth. I think the IP editor is right (the roses being shown in the statue's cloak seems to correspond with Elizabeth of Hungary's miracle of the roses and I am unaware of the biblical St. Elizabeth being associated with roses; it could alternatively be a statue of St. Elizabeth of Portugal, who is also associated with the same story about roses, see Miracle of the roses.) I'm insufficiently certain to remove the image, but I'm leaving this note here and at the Commons talk page for the image for someone else to sort out. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:46, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I was the editor who originally uploaded this photo. And after some careful consideration and research, I agree that the statue is most likely depicting St.Elizabeth of Hungary. I propose that I should move the image to the gallery section of that article, and remove it from this article. If anyone has any thoughts or comments before I do so, please share any thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Billertl (talk) 19:21, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hail Mary

The article quotes Elizabeth greeting Mary with the words: "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!"(NIV) However, Elizabeth's greeting, has for centuries dating at least back to Aquinas, formed a significant part of the prayer, Hail Mary, coming right after the angel's greeting. Nowhere will you find, "blessed is the child you will bear!" Because of its relation to the well known prayer, I switched the phrase to that found in the KJ21 (as well as others). Manannan67 (talk) 01:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

She is Cousin of Mary

Elizabeth is cousin of Mary according to King James Version. Jumark27 (talk) 10:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Any more accurate translation than a 17th-century mistranslation which often incudes strange paraphrases?:

• "The King James Version contains several alleged mistranslations, especially in the Old Testament where the knowledge of Hebrew and cognate languages was uncertain at the time. Among the most commonly cited errors is in the Hebrew of Job and Deuteronomy, where Hebrew: רְאֵם, romanized: Re'em with the probable meaning of "wild-ox, aurochs", is translated in the KJV as "unicorn"; following in this the Vulgate unicornis and several medieval rabbinic commentators. The translators of the KJV note the alternative rendering, "rhinocerots" [sic] in the margin at Isaiah 34:7. On a similar note Martin Luther's German translation had also relied on the Latin Vulgate on this point, consistently translating רְאֵם using the German word for unicorn, Einhorn. Otherwise, the translators are accused on several occasions to have mistakenly interpreted a Hebrew descriptive phrase as a proper name (or vice versa); as at 2 Samuel 1:18 where 'the Book of Jasher' Hebrew: סֵפֶר הַיׇּשׇׁר, romanized: sepher ha-yasher properly refers not to a work by an author of that name, but should rather be rendered as "the Book of the Upright" (which was proposed as an alternative reading in a marginal note to the KJV text)." Dimadick (talk) 14:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Requested move 6 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 00:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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Elizabeth (biblical figure) → Elizabeth, mother of John the Baptist – The parentheses are unnecessary and possibly inaccurate, since the article also discusses Elizabeth in the Quran. It would also be consistent with Mary, mother of Jesus to call her this. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, per WP:NATURALDIS. Theparties (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Support per Theparties. KOLANO12 3 11:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Mary uses that title because there are many other biblical women named Mary. As for the Quran—we have a separate page Mary in Islam. Compare Job (biblical figure), Daniel (biblical figure) etc. and their Islam pages. GordonGlottal (talk) 22:58, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Until we have a separate article for Elizabeth, this argument is invalid. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 23:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Andrewa (talk) 19:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Nom makes a compelling and valid case. This article is currently explicitly about Elizabeth according to the Gospel of Luke and in Islamic tradition (that's in the very first sentence, my added emphasis) so the current disambiguation is quite simply wrong. Andrewa (talk) 19:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: per WP:NCDAB and the well made point that this page is currently about multiple traditions, not only biblical ones. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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