Talk:Dual mandate
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Merge proposal
editI'm proposing merging in double dipping, which covers the same topic, but is a term used only in North America, and currently covers only that part of the world. Warofdreams talk 10:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- Seems a sensible idea, I was a bit puzzled when I came across double dipping (linked from Wikipedia main page recently) as to why other countries were not mentioned. zoney ♣ talk 12:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
- Given it's been a week with no opposition, I've performed the merge. Warofdreams talk 11:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Suggest splitting "Dual mandate" out from Double dipping"
editI suggest splitting "Dual mandate" from "Double dipping". Dual mandate refers to serving two constituent bodies at once, by holding two political positions simultaneously. In the United States, "double dipping" has become a politically loaded attack term to referring to government administrators who, for various reasons relating to their tenure, retire, start collecting their retirement pay, then are re-hired in the same or other government positions, as employees at full- or part-time pay, or contractors in an advisory position.
The characteristic that distinguishes "Dual mandate" from "Double dipping" is that serving two different political constituencies simultaneously involves a potential conflict of interest (especially when the different political bodies face each other over a contentious issue), while collecting retirement pay and at the same time getting paid for current employment involves no such conflict (regardless of the nature of the position), but only an appearance of getting paid double (in the minds of those who have not thought deeply about how retirement compensation works) compared to the average citizen who only works one job in their career and retires at the customary age.
While it might be thought that an extremely judicious person could possibly execute the duties of two political positions simultaneously, the US constitutional design of separation of government powers intends such conflicts of interest to be prohibited on their face so as to eliminate the appearance of corruption and concentration of power.
However, a US citizen is allowed to work and collect income from employment while collecting Social Security or other retirement income, so the US term "double dipping" has no commonality with a "dual mandate".
Further, the article defines "a dual mandate" as "the practice in which elected officials served in more than one elected or other public position simultaneously".
"Double dipping" as used in the pejorative sense in the United States, actually refers to elected officials serving one or more elected or other public positions consecutively rather than simultaneously, so "double dipping" does not even satisfy the basic definition of a "dual mandate".
Multiple mandate?
editIt seems odd to call holding more than two public positions "dual" anything. Is this, perhaps, a special case of a "multiple mandate"? I am not proposing changing the article title, but rather adding a description of the (probably very rare) possibility of more than two positions. I arrived at this article from the Grand Poobah article, which uses the term "dual mandate" in the context of a play character with dozens of simultaneous titles/roles, so "dual" doesn't fit (though the concept is pretty much the same). LUxlii (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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merge Cumul des mandats
editThis has been merge-tagged for a year with no discussion, so I will start one.
- Merge per nom-same topic--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 13:17, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
