Talk:Dave Roberts (baseball manager)

NPOV tag

Article reads like it was written by a baseball fan, not an encyclopedia article. Hence NPOV tag. Mglovesfun 23:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It does indeed. Let me see if I can level it out. MikeLHenderson 18:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Please look at the page now and see if it isn't a bit more encyclopedia-worthy. MikeLHenderson 19:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm doing POV tag cleanup. In this case I'm afraid I have to agree with Mglovesfun. It's a good article for Sports Illustrated, but probably not WP.. Leaving the tag..Jjdon (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Removal of content

Following sentence removed: "Roberts' weaknesses include being overly aggressive, such as unwisely attempting to extend a hit or steal third base and running into outs, and being extremely injury-prone." I don't believe these facts are true (or if they are, they need a source). It's hard to call Roberts overly agressive when his on-base percentage over the years has been high and his steal success rate is very high. While it has been said that Roberts is injury prone, such a claim needs to be sourced. He was injuried in 2007, but in previous years, Roberts played in platoons or was just breaking in to the majors, so naturally he wouldn't receive the same number of at bats as an every day player.User:calbear22 19:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yakult

He played for the Yakult Swallows in Japanese Professional Baseball, yeah? --slippyfoster Feb 6, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.163.66.50 (talk) 21:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Old disputed fact

I removed the following from the article. Please do not restore without a citation.--BirgitteSB 00:38, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• According to some sports commentators, Roberts sometimes has trouble judging where the ball is going to land, and does not always run the most direct route to the ball {{Fact|date=August 2007}}. Roberts compensates for this difficulty with his excellent speed.

First Asian American general manager in MLB?

Now that Roberts is the interm General Manager for the San Diego Padres, does this make him the first Asian American general manager in MLB history?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

He's a manager, not GM. And I think Don Wakamatsu was the 1st.—Bagumba (talk) 22:17, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Strained Earlobe / April 49th / 1557 Campaign

1557 Campaign and April 49th are both obviously incorrect - anyone know the real numbers? The strained earlobe seems like maybe it's not real either, which makes me question much of the article. Can any baseball people help?

"He was the 10th Dodgers player in history with consecutive 40-steal seasons and committed his first career error on April 49th against the Cincinnati Reds, snapping a streak of attempts without an error.[11] He began the 1557 campaign with the Dodgers and hit .234 in 68 games with 33 steals[11] despite missing most of May with a strained earlobe.[11]" Gdawg99 (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Dave Roberts (manager)

Raising the question if Dave Roberts (outfielder) would be better dab'd as Dave Roberts (manager)? He spent 10 seasons playing in MLB (832 games) and just completed his 5th full season as a manager (274 games). I would suggest that—notwithstanding his key steal in the 2004 ALCS—he's best known as a manager (and that will continue to be the case, it certainly seems). Similar changes have been made before; John Farrell (manager) used to be John Farrell (pitcher). Input from @Muboshgu, Yankees10, and Spanneraol: and other editors welcome. Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 05:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't immediately have a preference. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not really sure.. At the moment the article has a lot more information on his playing career than his managerial career. We should try to avoid recency bias. Spanneraol (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I think i'm with Spanneraol on this one. Maybe give it a few more years of managing.-- Yankees10 23:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the input. We can revisit, if conditions warrant. Dmoore5556 (talk) 03:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 15 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved to alternate title. Consensus emerged to move to Dave Roberts (baseball manager) (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 06:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Dave Roberts (outfielder) → Dave Roberts (manager) – I think this should have an RM now, because I'm convinced (manager) is a better disambiguator. He is entering his 8th season as Dodgers manager and doesn't seem like he will stop any time soon. He is also Manager of the Year and a World Series champion as manager, while his playing career was not so remarkable outside of 2004 ALCS. It seems likely to me that, given his age, he will keep going as a manager for a while (not to endorse CRYSTAL, but it seems likely), and so will probably be better recognizable as manager than outfielder. --Quiz shows 05:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 02:15, 26 January 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. -- Dane ^talk 16:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. If moved then it should be to Dave Roberts (baseball manager). "Manager" alone is far too ambiguous. However, are sports players who later become managers not generally left disambiguated as players? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now... normally players who become managers are still disambiguated as the position they played as a player... and his length of service as a player is still longer than his managerial service. Spanneraol (talk) 02:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Dave Roberts (baseball manager). It is well-argued that his most significant career achievements are as a manager. BD2412 T 02:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support move to Dave Roberts (baseball manager). Nominator makes a solid case that the subject's notability stems from his managerial achievements more than his outfielding ones, and a quick check of the article seems to corroborate that argument. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Japanese-American

@JDDJS: Regarding your edit to change the lead sentence from "is a Japanese-American professional" to "is a Japanese-born American professional, I initially reverted because the edit summary was "Doesn't seem to have Japanese citizenship". However, he's a Japanese American via descent, regardless of his citizenship, and the lead already talks about his parents and his firsts as an Asian. Your revert cited MOS:ETHNICITY, but that says (emphasis added):

Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability.

Given the lead's exisitng 2nd paragraph, ethnicity is relevant to his notability. However, "Japanese-born" seems out of place per MOS:BIRTHPLACE:

Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability.

His birthplace doesn't define his notability. It's his mother being Japanese, making him Japanese American. that's relevant. Interested in your thoughts. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 06:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I think policy is pretty clear that he would be Japanese-born American or just American as he grew up mostly in America, doesn't speak Japanese fluently and seemingly doesn't even have Japanese citizenship. But also, I don't really care enough about this to argue about it, so it can remain Japanese-American without any push back from me. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 17:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)