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Change of list for Senators

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Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

The current way that each District lists it's senators and assemblymen/women. This way is much more efficient and more visually pleasing than the current way. Please discuss this so the changes can be made quickly.

Senator Party Years
Prior to 1974, seats were apportioned by county.
James Cafiero Republican January 8, 1974 – January 12, 1982
James R. Hurley Republican January 12, 1982 – January 2, 1990
James Cafiero Republican January 1990 – January 14, 2004
Nicholas Asselta Republican January 14, 2004 – January 8, 2008
Jeff Van Drew Democratic January 8, 2008 – December 31, 2018
Bob Andrzejczak Democratic January 15, 2019 – Present

Bnml84 (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

I used this way as no one participated in the discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnml84 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 29 January 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a clear consensus for each of these articles to be moved to "New Jersey's XXth legislative district". (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 12:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)Reply


– Better naming, this is what is used for congressional districts, such as New Jersey's 1st congressional district and legislative districts in other states, such as Michigan's 1st House of Representatives district. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 12:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 12:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose - References to representatives and their congressional districts will appear in articles about Congress and across the nation, so listing the state as part of the article title makes sense. The overwhelming majority of references to New Jersey legislative districts will be in articles in New Jersey, and the ability to use a pipe link makes far more sense. Alansohn (talk) 13:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
    @Alansohn: I'm not sure I understand your objection? "New Jersey" is still part of the article title. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 15:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
    • Elliot321, If Jane Smith represents the 123rd district, I can type "Smith represents the [[123rd Legislative District (New Jersey)|]] in the [[New Jersey General Assembly]]" and the pipe will display that as "Smith represents the 123rd Legislative District in the New Jersey General Assembly". With the proposed renames, nearly every single reference would need to be changed to the format "Smith represents the [[New Jersey's 123rd Legislative District|123rd Legislative District]] in the [[New Jersey General Assembly]]". Almost all references to New Jersey legislative districts have New Jersey as the implicit subject, so referring to a district as [[New Jersey's 123rd Legislative District]] adds no information; this is just an effort at foolish consistency that adds nothing for readers and makes the life of editors more difficult with no benefit. Can you do a far better job of explaining what makes this "Better"? Alansohn (talk) 17:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
      Alansohn Your argument for keeping the current title is the pipe trick? That gets substituted on saving, though I guess adding new link could be a bit annoying.
      I think the benefit here is accuracy. This isn't the "123rd Legislative District" that just happens to be in New Jersey, as parenthetical disambiguation implies. It's the "123rd Legislative District" of New Jersey — "New Jersey's 123rd Legislative District". Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 17:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
      • Are you arguing that the waste of time you propose is because "123rd Legislative District (New Jersey)" is genuinely "inaccurate"? You're just rearranging a title that will almost never appear as "New Jersey's 123rd Legislative District" because that title is somehow more accurate? Spend some time and come up with a reason that justifies the spectacular waste of time. Give us an example of articles where the allegedly "better" title is genuinely more "accurate". Convince us. Alansohn (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
        @Alansohn: I'm perfectly willing to move the articles myself, there's no "waste of time" here. The accuracy and consistency of the titles is what matters here. I already explained why parenthetical disambiguation is less accurate. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nomination and per WP:CONSISTENT. A glance at Category:State legislative districts of the United States will quickly confirm that New Jersey is the sole state that has main title headers for its legislative districts listed using parenthetical qualifiers. Such a form is used for no other state and, although the form itself is fine if used for all other states, it is certainly inconsistent and counterintuitive for the parenthetically-qualified form to be used solely for New Jersey. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:25, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support, agreeing with what has been said by others about consistency with other state legislature articles. In addition, this change would match the page name with the first sentences of each article, as well as the infobox. --ShoppingCartographer (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nomination and per Roman Spinner. Consistency is useful in this case. BD2412 T 04:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support but think that "legislative district" should be lowercase, as is done for congressional districts. -A-M-B-1996- (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Agree regarding "Legislative District" → "legislative district", again, per WP:CONSISTENT. As pointed out above by -A-M-B-1996-, the lowercase form is already used for congressional districts as well as for other legislative districts under the previously mentioned Category:State legislative districts of the United States, such as Category:Arizona legislative districts or Category:Washington (state) legislative districts. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I also agree with lowercase "legislative district". BD2412 T 04:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Makes sense, I have no objection to this. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 12:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
And so do I. HandsomeFella (talk) 07:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
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