Talk:ǃKung languages
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South Africa
editThe article cites SA as the home of the second highest number of speakers, yet SA is not even mentioned in the lead (though it is included in the infobox). Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Requested move 5 June 2018
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Not moved. Whether ǃKung people is separately moved would call for a separate discussion. bd2412 T 12:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
!Kung language → ǃKung language – The exclamation mark "!" is used in the place of the retroflex click symbol "ǃ." This follows the format used for the ǃKung people article. The language article was originally at the page using the correct mark, but was moved without discussion. HNdlROdU (talk) 23:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC). --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 00:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Note also the existence Central !Kung and Ekoka !Kung. I can't see the difference in the characters on my browser, but I'm guessing these would need to be changed as well. WP:TSC implies that the exclamation marks should be used if the desired character won't render on some browsers, but I assume that's not the case here. When this page was moved, the reason given was "standard English orthography." Dekimasuよ! 03:00, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: The move 17:16, 7 December 2012 Kwamikagami (talk | contribs | block) m . . (8,972 bytes) (0) . . (Kwamikagami moved page ǃKung language to !Kung language over redirect: common English orthography) was by a user very active in linguistics and currently active; It seems a good idea to give them a heads-up. Kwamikagami, any comments? Andrewa (talk) 00:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- All !Kung text in the article should be in !Kung orthography with, IMO, the Unicode click letters. But the article name is not in !Kung, it's in English. If we were going to use !Kung orthography, we'd presumably use it for the entire name -- "ǃXû" (or whatever, depending on the variety we were writing it in). But mixing the two doesn't make sense to me. It would be like writing "Grεεκ" instead of "Greek". Also, there's the problem that, if we did change the name of the article, someone would presumably change the spelling in the text to match, which would mean that entering "!Kung" in the 'find' window (for the page, I mean) wouldn't find anything. — kwami (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- That makes perfect sense. In view of there being no supporting input I'm now tempted to close this as not moved. There is clearly no consensus to move, and none likely IMO. Dekimasu and HNdlROdU, your thoughts on that? Andrewa (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm, did not receive the ping. I do not take particular issue with either spelling as long as one or the other is used consistently, but ǃKung people is written the other way, so closing this as "not moved" would logically lead to a move, or a move discussion, there. Dekimasuよ! 20:53, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, good points. The pings didn't work because I didn't do them right. This one should work: HNdlROdU, anything to add? Andrewa (talk) 16:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm, did not receive the ping. I do not take particular issue with either spelling as long as one or the other is used consistently, but ǃKung people is written the other way, so closing this as "not moved" would logically lead to a move, or a move discussion, there. Dekimasuよ! 20:53, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- That makes perfect sense. In view of there being no supporting input I'm now tempted to close this as not moved. There is clearly no consensus to move, and none likely IMO. Dekimasu and HNdlROdU, your thoughts on that? Andrewa (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- All !Kung text in the article should be in !Kung orthography with, IMO, the Unicode click letters. But the article name is not in !Kung, it's in English. If we were going to use !Kung orthography, we'd presumably use it for the entire name -- "ǃXû" (or whatever, depending on the variety we were writing it in). But mixing the two doesn't make sense to me. It would be like writing "Grεεκ" instead of "Greek". Also, there's the problem that, if we did change the name of the article, someone would presumably change the spelling in the text to match, which would mean that entering "!Kung" in the 'find' window (for the page, I mean) wouldn't find anything. — kwami (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
IPA
editThe English pronunciation is shown in IPA. Is this the standard? It seems like it would be good to also have the IPA for how the name is pronounced in the language (/!ʊŋ/, as far as I can tell). JoDu987 (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
What is a click language?
editClick language is not defined here, except indirectly by a reference at the bottom to a category page.
This page however apparently excludes Nguni languages from the click languages, whereas the category page includes them. It seems likely to me that there is a good reason for this but it should maybe be explained. JoDu987 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)