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Claimed territory in election maps
editI was wondering whether a consensus could be reached on the inclusion of claimed territory in election maps.
For example, many of Venezuela's maps include their claim to half of Guyana (see e.g. the first map in the infobox of 2018 Venezuelan presidential election), despite the fact that Venezuela does not control (nor ever really has AFAIK) the terrirory, nor does Venezuelan hold elections there. I have seen similar maps of Guatemala that include Belize and Argentina that includes the Falklands despite the lack of control and holding of elections.
On the other hand, there are countries that occupy territory outside their widely recognised borders and holds voting there (e.g. Morocco / Western Sahara, Russia / Crimea, Israel / Golan Heights) and some countries whose territory (according to a clear international consensus) is occupied by others, which prevents it holding elections there (e.g. Ukraine / Crimea, Syria / Golan).
I would suggest a rule of thumb should be something like the below. There are probably some more complex ones that may have to be decided on a case-by-case basis. Cheers, Number 57 00:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Territory that a country has never (or only for a short time period at some point in the past) controlled and there is no clear international consensus that it belongs to that country should not be included in election maps. For example, Belize in maps of Guatemala, the Falkland Islands in maps of Argentina, parts of Guyana in maps of Venezuela, Mayotte in maps of the Comoros etc.
- Territory that a country occupies without international consensus that it belongs to them but holds elections in that territory should be shown but hashed to differentiate it. For example, Crimea and Donbass (Russia), the Golan Heights (Israel), Western Sahara (Morocco) etc.
- Territory that a country claims (without a clear international consensus in its favour) and does not control, but does hold elections there should be included but hashed to differentiate it. For example, Kosovo in maps of Serbia.
- Territory that there is clear international consensus belongs to a country but is occupied by another (or is ruled by an unrecognised breakaway state) and in which elections cannot be held should be shown but greyed out. For example Abkhazia in maps of Georgia, Crimea and Donbass in maps of Ukraine, the Golan Heights in maps of Syria, Somaliland in maps of Somalia, etc.
- I don't know if a general rule is possible, but I do agree tha basis should be what the internationally recognised borders are, if there is any consensus. Claims that have no recognition and have no relevance to the election itself (e.g. Venezuela) should not be entertained. Or at the very least, the lack of recognition should be made clear. One situation you didn't mention is the case of the Kashmir conflict. Here the international community does not seem to have any clear stance on whether it should be considered part of India or Pakistan. The approach used for Indian election maps seem to be to depict the Indian claimed border, but also show that not all of claimed territory is controlled by India. Gust Justice (talk) 15:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Kashmir is one of the more complex situations that probably needs its own specific consensus... On the other point, the Venezuelan claim is marked on the maps in hatched colours, but I don't think it should be there at all given the fact that no election was held in the claimed territory (and I would be wary of limiting exclusion from maps to claims that have "no recognition", as there are a few cases where a few countries recognise another's claim to territory, but the international community as a whole does not). Cheers, Number 57 16:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think the 'whether an election is held there' principle should be key given the topic. I recall reading recently about Suriname setting up voting booths near territory it claimed from Guyana for the explicit use of residents of the disputed territory. I don't recall whether it mentioned whether the booths were actually used for that purpose however, or whether it was more symbolic than practical. The area was not at any rate a separate geographical constituency, which would be an interesting case. CMD (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that would work for the first bullet point mentioned above. I assume there isn't an objection to including territory in maps in cases such as those outlined in the fourth bullet point? Number 57 19:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think the 'whether an election is held there' principle should be key given the topic. I recall reading recently about Suriname setting up voting booths near territory it claimed from Guyana for the explicit use of residents of the disputed territory. I don't recall whether it mentioned whether the booths were actually used for that purpose however, or whether it was more symbolic than practical. The area was not at any rate a separate geographical constituency, which would be an interesting case. CMD (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Kashmir is one of the more complex situations that probably needs its own specific consensus... On the other point, the Venezuelan claim is marked on the maps in hatched colours, but I don't think it should be there at all given the fact that no election was held in the claimed territory (and I would be wary of limiting exclusion from maps to claims that have "no recognition", as there are a few cases where a few countries recognise another's claim to territory, but the international community as a whole does not). Cheers, Number 57 16:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Infobox for next UK general election
editWhat parties to include in an infobox for a next election and what style of infobox to use has often been contentious. There is a proposal at Talk:Next_United_Kingdom_general_election#Use_of_TILE_rather_than_TIE on changing the type of infobox and what parties to show. Editors might like to input. Bondegezou (talk) 15:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Waipareira#Requested move 23 August 2024
editThere is a requested move discussion at Talk:Waipareira#Requested move 23 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 15:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
External link usage
editPer the suggestions in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums/Archive 25#RFC: should external links in elections be a directory? that this was the incorrect place for such a discussion, I started a discussion at Village pump about external links, though thought that I should also mention it here. —Ost (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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RfC: Order of constituency and regional vote tables in Scottish election polling
editHello all. I am seeking a wider consensus at Talk:Opinion polling for the next Scottish Parliament election regarding the order in which polling for the constituency vote and regional vote are displayed. JackWilfred (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2011 South Sudanese independence referendum#Requested move 1 October 2024
editThere is a requested move discussion at Talk:2011 South Sudanese independence referendum#Requested move 1 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say this has merit, and we should be more flexible in naming referendum articles, as most of these only happen once. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Specific trivia format in U.S. presidential election articles
editI noticed that a lot of presidential election articles for U.S. states contain trivia of the form "This candidate was the first Democrat/Republican to win the presidency without X County since year YYYY." Examples: last paragraph of the lead of 2020 United States presidential election in Ohio, last paragraph of 2016 United States presidential election in California#Analysis. As far as I can tell, trivia of this form is very rarely noted outside Wikipedia, unlike similar forms of trivia such as "This candidate broke the streak of X County voting only for one party.". Should trivia items of this form be removed if not supported by a reliable secondary source, even if the trivia is verifiable? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see no reason why it should be removed, particularly if the information is verifiable. — Watercheetah99 (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Because it is about as useless as other kinds of trivia that are frequently removed from U.S. presidential election articles, see here and here for examples. At the very least, it should not be in the article lead. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)