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Merge WikiProjects back into this project

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge to regional taskforces. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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There are a number of cricket-related WikiProjects that I believe would be best suited as taskforces of this project, which would enable collaboration whilst also understanding that articles on these tournaments need to follow guidelines of WP:CRIC. This was previously mentioned in 2021: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 90#Creation of task forces. Would be good to get a firm consensus on whether or not to implement this. These breakaway WikiProjects have caused numerous problems over the years including:

• Frequent MOS:COLOR violations on articles and templates
• Misunderstanding of how article ratings work, by rating categories as "high importance"
• Violation of the WP:CRIC standard to only add teams to a player's infobox once they make an appearance (Allah Mohammad Ghazanfar being an example who was in IPL and LPL squads but did not play)
• Creating clutter on article talkpages as if someone plays one match in one of these tournaments, they get added to the WikiProject
• IPL project created templates for every match (60 per season), which led to a massive template clean up project a few years ago

All of these WikiProjects are for franchise T20 tournaments that run for 1-3 months a year, and their WikiProjects are dormant for the rest of the year, or are permanently inactive. They are as follows:

1. Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League - looks permanently inactive
2. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lanka Premier League - been inactive for around 2 years, despite only being created in 2021
3. Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Premier League - looks to be inactive
4. Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan Super League - looks to be inactive

In addition, I have separately nominated the recently created Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's Premier League (cricket) for deletion, but would be okay with this becoming a task force here too (but no merge is required as there is no history to keep). This post aims to satisfy Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects#Establish consensus for a merger by getting a consensus for or against this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• WP:IPL & WP:WPLc both together → Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/India cricket task force
• WP:PSL → Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Pakistan cricket task force
• WP:BPL → Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Bangladesh cricket task force
• WP:LPL → Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Sri Lanka cricket task force

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

These seem sensible. I had hoped when I revamped the project page, that these would be started by new recruits from r/cricket and other cricket platforms, but I never really found the time. AA (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment would be good to get a few more thoughts on this proposal, as only 3 unique editors have posted opinions. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

  I get the feeling there aren't many of us left... AA (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

  @AssociateAffiliate not at all, there are editors; I feel like no one is aware about the existence of this talk page. I'll try tagging some editors from the above WikiProjects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

  @CptViraj, Fade258, Kirubar, ClogWolf, CRICKETMANIAC303, MNWiki845, Vestrian24Bio, Kpddg, Wowlastic10, and Spinin: from WP IPL.

  @Human, Wiki.0hlic, Hamza Ali Shah, Badsaad10, CreativeNorth, Tahaaleem, Fade258, Shah Fahad️, USaamo, and Wallu2: from WP PSL.

  @CAPTAINRAJU, ASimpleHuman, ANKAN, MahirM, ShahidulHasanRoman, Imtiazahmedrifat, Fade258, ACricketPremi, and Spinin: from WP BPL.

  @DTTruth, Randeepa, Fade258, Abishe, Tahaaleem, Kirubar, RishikaPrabashana, ClogWolf, Cricketsudda21, Janeesh22, Spinin, and KjjjKjjj: from WP LPL.

  Forgive me if I had mentioned anyone more than once. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agreed per nom. Task forces are a much better option in my opinion. Easier to manage and work within. As already said if people aren't interested than why have four-five different projects and leave them dormant. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agree per nom. I think task forces are much better than having a single WikiProject. For example, WikiProject Japan has many task forces under a single project which makes it easier to handle.

KjjjKjjj (talk) 13:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agree per nom. task forces are much better than having a single WikiProject. For example, WikiProject Japan has many task forces under a single project which makes it easier to handle.

Spinin (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agree per nom. Task forces would probably work out better than the inactive Wikiprojects currently, and it might become easier to manage the never ending increase in T20 leagues.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 23:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The WPs are all inactive and will likely remain such. Clog Wolf _Howl 09:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agree per nom. Better to amalgamate and standardise approaches, particularly with the prospect of ever-more leagues popping up. CarnivalSorts (talk) 10:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Agree per nom. Ankurc.17 (talk) 07:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Agree per nominator. In my opinion and as per other members creating task forces is far better than creating a single Wikiproject. Fade258 (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like we do have a consensus to merge this WikiProjects back into Cricket WikiProject. Instead of creating taskforces for Full members how about ICC regions... So, it could also cover associate nations as well.

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Africa cricket task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Americas cricket task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Asia cricket task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/EAP cricket task force or Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/East Asia-Pacific cricket task force
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Europe cricket task force

Additionally,

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/ICC cricket task force or a similar name to focus on the events administrated by ICC itself such as WTC, World Cups, Qualifiers, Champions Trophy, Rankings, Awards etc. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ankurc.17, AssociateAffiliate, Bs1jac, CarnivalSorts, Clog Wolf, Fade258, Godknowme1, Goodknowme, Hamza Ali Shah, Joseph2302, KjjjKjjj, Kumarpramit, MNWiki845, PEditorS10, Pkr206, and Sush150: What are your thoughts on this...? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me.Godknowme1 (talk) 15:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I can definitely get behind with this. My only main concern is that some of the task forces might be inactive most of the time due to little coverage. KjjjKjjj (talk) 09:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Both options seem Ok to me. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Both options are fine with me, though continents are less likely to be inactive than country task forces (since they cover multiple countries). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Seems alright to me.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 16:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This merge has been managed incorrectly so far, wiping out useful pages with no links to their history, and creating pages with unattributed content. Please see this discussion for a few details. There are probably more pages that have been processed incorrectly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I have recovered all the discussions and put them in the archives of Asia tf. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles for new women's One Day Cup and Blast

Greetings! I'm here to notify WikiProject Cricket members that I've started the One Day Cup (women's) and T20 Blast (women's) articles. I admittedly know very little about women's domestic county cricket in England and Wales, so I've left them as stubs for now, and hope that more knowledgeable editors here will pick up after me. I was unable to ascertain whether the ECB's new "knock-out cup competition consisting of teams from all three tiers"^[1][2] is a reformat or replacement of the Women's Twenty20 Cup, so I've also left that to more knowledgeable editors here. Thanks! — AFC Vixen 🦊 13:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

AFC Vixen the T20 Blast (women's) and One Day Cup (women's) will be the successors to the Charlotte Edwards Cup and One Day Cup (women's). They appear to be distinct tournaments, so makes sense to have a new article. It also doesn't seem clear to me how the tier system will work, whether it'll be a "T20 Blast Tier 2" or a continuation of existing tournament for Tiers 2 and 3. Probably best to wait until ECB provide more information. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

History of cricket

I'm suspicious about the edits that an anonymous editor has just made to the History of cricket, claiming that there is evidence of a match being played as early as the 13th century. Though it provides an apparently pukka citation from a book by Peter Wynne-Thomas, I noticed that the work cited had already provided a citation earlier in the same paragraph, so it could just have been a copy and paste job. The information added to the article is so startling that, if it's true, I find it hard to believe that it's seemingly been unnoticed in the 27 years since the work quoted was published. Does anyone happen to have Wynne-Thomas's book in order to check? JH (talk page) 08:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

And now the same poster has removed all the dubious content that they added, so I'm left wondering what it was all about. JH (talk page) 16:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Jhall1. The book refers to the mysterious activity known as "creag", which this article already covers. The poster may have thought they had found something worth including and then realised their mistake. I don't think anything more is needed as creag probably wasn't cricket. The earliest definite mention remains the Guildford Court case in the 1590s. ReturnDuane (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

ReturnDuane Thanks. That sounds plausible. Yes, "creag" could be absolutely anything, and there seems no reason to think it's cricket. JH (talk page) 08:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I've read that creag might be an early spelling of craic, which means games in general. ReturnDuane (talk) 09:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Featured material

Hello all. As a project we have 321 featured works, mostly featured lists. Where do we all stand with increasing this number, particularly for non-list articles? Does anyone have any up-and-coming articles headed toward FA status? Any particular areas we should focus on going forwards? AA (talk) 16:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I've read several cricket articles which are either FA or GA, and haven't seen any significant difference in standard. I presume there are some higher bar FA criteria which some reviewers apply rigidly? I'd suggest the GA material (143 in total) is the best place to find FA candidates but, without knowing the criteria gap, I wouldn't be able to recommend specifics.

The trouble with classifications like these is that a good article is a good article, and it is someone's opinion whether it gets published (real world) or featured (here). ReturnDuane (talk) 07:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like the avenue to go. I also think there should be articles we need to prioritise. For example, Shane Warne, or W. G. Grace, so historically significant articles, or articles important to the game, such as Laws of Cricket. I'd bypass GA and head straight to FA. GA had me on hold for 5 months and a rather back and forth frustrating experience, which has put me off going back. AA (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I see what you mean about GA delay. The oldest nomination there now is Atlanta Braves, since 22 February! I agree with your priorities, and Laws is especially important. Some major players including Bradman, Headley, Rhodes, and Hobbs are already at FA but, as you say, the likes of Grace, Sobers, Warne, Tendulkar, Murali, and a few others should ideally be there too. I might have more time for WP come the New Year so I'll think about adopting an article then. ReturnDuane (talk) 16:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Projapoti (cricket) entry is problematic

This should apparently be at Butterfly (cricket). If you look at the sources and references, they use the English word "butterfly", not the Indian word. Could this be the work of somebody trying to push an Indian word not in general usage? I could find nothing in a Google Books search either, and virtually no usages (as opposed to mere mentions) in a Web search. I have found a previous deletion discussion which seems to have leaned toward deletion, but no action was taken: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Projapoti. (By the way, I'm aware that Indian languages don't use the English alphabet A-Z, but if the word isn't in use in English, it should not be the English article title either.) 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:251E:752E:DCE9:B421 (talk) 21:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Can't say I have ever heard of either terms! AA (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Games between "A" teams labelled as Unofficial Tests

In our article Indian cricket team in Australia in 2024–25 games between India A and Australia A are being described as Unofficial Tests. While the name is being used by ABC News and apparently also by ESPN (although I can no longer find a link), it doesn't seem right to me to suggest that games between second string sides are in any way equivalent to Test Matches. It's an insult to those who have played in real Tests. There is a small discussion on this at Talk:Indian cricket team in Australia in 2024–25#Unofficial Tests?. HiLo48 (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It has the potential to confuse people about the status of the matches. JH (talk page) 09:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree too. I suppose these matches are internationals of a kind, but they should not be likened to Tests. The teams are, as you say, second-string so maybe we should describe their matches as minor internationals, or a similar term? ReturnDuane (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Cricinfo has been using this name for years. Using Enlgand Lions as an example: this match report from 2018 says as Pakistan A chased down 312 to see off England Lions in the four-day unofficial Test match in Abu Dhabi; same in 2019 ...to help India A stroll to an innings-and-68-run win inside three days in the second and final unofficial Test. The BBC used unofficial "Test" back in 2015 and unofficial Test in fixture list. Recent games seem to have dropped the phrase [1], but I can't find a recent match report to say for certain. Both sites have also used "unofficial ODI". Spike 'em (talk) 14:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

And The Guardian 6 years ago: At the second unofficial Test at Dambulla, and a PA report] in the same 11 years ago : for Australia A in the first unofficial Test against South Africa A. I have also seen the term used for either games dropped as Tests (such as the Mike Denness and Indian cricket team incident) or games played against national sides before they gained full Test status. Spike 'em (talk) 16:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

It's OK to label the latter games as unofficial tests, because they involved the first string national teams. Games involving the A team don't. HiLo48 (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)