Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Australia task force

New ALW season fixture

I added the new results of the 2024–25 A-League Women fixture. Was wondering if there's a better way to display the results of the Unite Round, as seems in this way there's heaps of deadspace. --SuperJew (talk) 08:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Only different thing I can think of is football boxes. Would say it's a better option than a bunch of nullified score spaces for just one round. FastCube (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps it should simply be made into one longer table to be consistent with the approach used in the A-League Men, like this example. Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Head coaches rather than managers

Currently most Australian soccer articles refer to the highest of non-playing staff as 'managers', but I feel they should be referred to as 'head coaches'. I've generally never seen anything Australian soccer media that refers to them as 'managers'. Head coaches have always been the term I see everything Australian soccer refers to them as, and feel all Australian soccer articles and categories should be renamed from "managers" to "head coaches". FastCube (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Could you clarify what you mean? If I understand correctly you mean currently on Wiki articles they're referred to as 'managers', while in Australian media they're referred to as 'head coaches'? It would help if you could back the media claim with a couple of examples? --SuperJew (talk) 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I do mean every Australian soccer manager article and category should be renamed to "head coaches". Everywhere is essentially "Head Coach" rather than "Manager" in Australian soccer. Here's some examples: [1][2][3][4][5] I don't think it's just the Australian media, I generally believe this is just how Australia names their highest non-playing staff member. FastCube (talk) 19:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Merging regional league divisions

I've noticed on non-league articles how specific divisions are merged into one league article (e.g. Northern Premier League which has Premier and One seperate divisions, West of Scotland Football League which has Premier, First, Second, Third, Fourth seperate divisions). According to this discussion, it was deemed that national divisions are notable enough for their own individual article, but the regional/non-league ones may not be. Feel like this should be the same for our non-league pages. FastCube (talk) 06:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

At what level do you think merging is required? the levels below the main NPL? It might be a different requirement for the different federations. Matilda Maniac (talk) 08:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

The main NPL runs through mutliple federations, but as one league (and now one division each), so I think it should stay as it is. For state leagues (the ones below NPL), the leagues with multiple divisions should be merged into the one league article. Essentially the league's divisions should be merged based on the federation running it. FastCube (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

My opinion is the format that exists like 2024 in Queensland soccer as a single summary of all the leagues/divisions/genders/major cup competitions is still better for annual/season data. However, if you are looking at merging existing articles like Football West State League Division 1 and Football West State League Division 2 into a single article, then I'd be supportive of that approach. Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced on the notability for season articles run by non-national federations (take England's regional-feeder leagues as an example (Level 11 of pyramid); those not under the jurisdiction of a national FA) so that also might need to be talked about, but the main focus for now is the merging of divisions into the one league. FastCube (talk) 01:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@FastCube: Why exactly are you doing this? Surely this warrants talking about before just mass merging these? I can see this causing people to recreate these when the state feds inevitably change the names of their leagues in 2-3 seasons time, like they always do. - J man708 (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe competition name changes justify the need for individiual articles for each division of each league run by a non-national federation. When looking through all the articles per league division, they essentially had no coverage, no references, essentially losing its notability (maybe except for FQPL 2), but it's just like how England's regional feeder leagues divisions articles went; hence their merging. Understood this can cause confusion on historically what league is being read, but notes can be made: (e.g. VPL 1 and 2 was NPL 2 and 3, part of the NPL system, before forming the VPL) FastCube (talk) 01:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I get that, but then we're in a weird spot where someone like Capital Football's State League starts a tier lower than the others. Unfortunately, not all state leagues are created equally, it seems. I've always found that players are deemed notable at A-League level, clubs at NPL level/state league level before the NPL, and leagues are even at amateur level, which is why pages like this are around. - J man708 (talk) 02:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Move discussion for dub team pages

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Melbourne City FC (A-League Women) which affects pages of this project. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. --SuperJew (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)