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Adding pictures to infobox

• Alias (season 1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi, I want to add a picture to the infobox for Alias Season 1. Like the cover for the season 1 DVD. Can somebody show me how to do that? Thanks! If you notice, there isn't a picture for the show's first season. I want to put one there. Please help me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.153.220 (talk) 02:29, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

My edits of the Kali page is always reverted for a long time

• Kali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Dakshina Kali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Due to my keen interests I started editing The Kali page. When I find some non users were editing abusive I requested to lock the page. When the page was well written I requested administrators to make it a good article. As a new user I used some references from blogs. One day user User:First_Light stepped into and started tagging better-source-needed. I understood that, may be my edits were referenced from improper sources. I changed the contents and provided informations from books like Black Goddess of Dakshineswar, Sister nivedita's Kali - the Mother , Dr. Devdutt Pattanaik's Seven Secrets Of Hindu Calendar Arts. But everything seems to unreliable source to User:First_Light. Every time I am changing something to the page this user is reverting. It seems he is up to me and contributing to wikipedia is a waste of time. Now I want you to check my edits and his changes after me. The references User:First_Light gives never matches the contents User:First_Light has written. This is extremely frustrating and undesired from wikipedia. I had written a separate article of Dakshina Kali for a long time and User:First_Light has marged it with kali... Now it redirects to Kali. I want you to take actions against such frustrating scenario. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UserK (talk • contribs) 05:56, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Have you considered discussing on the Kali talkpage? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

UserK has been invited to discuss on his talk page and the Kali talk page. The problem is that he ignores all advice on WP guidelines and policies. The Kali article is a Good Article, and UserK has tried to add/change content sourced to blogs and other self-published sources that are not reliable. I've put a great deal of effort into finding quality sources for his additions, with some content removed that was not supported by reliable sources. He has refused to listen to advice or to change his disruptive behaviors, which include extreme and blatant copyright violations on the Dakshina Kali article (which was a content fork)— along with very dishonest use of citations to support original research and commentary that was not remotely covered in the sources. His talk page history is full of warnings from multiple editors for his disruptive behavior, if you want to see more. First Light (talk) 10:38, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Kali#Separate_article_for_Dakshina_Kali.3F. Dakshina Kali was definitely a WP:CONTENTFORK. If Dakshina Kali (currently covered in Kali#Daksinakali) is created again with valid RS references and sufficient content (WP:MERGEREASON#2 or 3 not applicable), it can be a standalone article. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:50, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Jaipur Jewellery Show details

• Jaipur Jewellery Show (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The details mentioned are old and relevant to our last year event. Even the poster used is an old one.

Kindly update the details on your web page.

for more details please mail us at (Redacted) or call us at (Redacted)

Regards, Jaipur Jewellery Show Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.64.132.30 (talk) 09:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email oversight-llists.wikimedia.org. Murph9000 (talk) 09:21, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Please note that Wikipedia is not a means of promotion, and be aware of the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline. If you have specific suggestions for improving our encyclopaedia article on this subject, please feel free to discuss them at Talk:Jaipur Jewellery Show. While your message on the Help Desk may prompt someone to make changes to the article, we can't really act on non-specific requests here. Murph9000 (talk) 10:04, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

adoption - qld - think your stats are wrong

The Wikipedia "adoption Australia" page quotes that there was 10,000 adoptions before 1972. I was adopted in 1970 and have a copy of my adoption details from "The Adopted Children Register". (I can scan and forward if required). The "no" of the form is 29297. This is the "QLD register" not an national register.

Once again, the "secret " about adoption continues...

FYI There were at the time (1970) hospitals, some run by Nuns (in my mothers case) specifically catering for unwed mothers. In fact, QLD was the only state which provided shelter, food and some small financial relief to the mothers up until the time they gave birth. My mother stayed at one of these hospitals for 3 months prior to my birth. The small amount of money was why my mother, an unwed 18 yo New Zealand girl, flew secretly to QLD on a "working holiday" to give birth to me.

I have since met a Nun who was medically trained and worked at one of these special hospitals in Brisbane.

When you think about it mathematically, 10,000 divided by 7 states is roughly say 1300 children adopted per state since say .. 1962 - 1972 .. that's only 130 per year in each state in the age of scorned out of wed-lock pregnancies... Maths for 10,000 children in toto just dose not logically add up, as evidenced by my registration.

Whether you care or bother to substantial my claim or not ... read those figures again just for you (who ever you are) ... over 29000 children were adopted in QLD alone by 1970 (not the stated 10,000 in Australia)

Have a lovely day,

Elizabeth

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.138.42 (talk) 14:20, 11 October 2016 (UTC) 

Elizabeth, what page are you talking about? Adoption in Australia doesn't have the text 10,000 or thousand or 1972, so I'm wondering if you're talking about a different page. Nyttend (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Adoption in Australia#Statistics says "In 1971/72 there were 9,798 adoptions, ..." --David Biddulph (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

My guess is that Elizabeth misread the phrase "In 1971/72 there were 9798 adoptions" as if it had said "the cumulative number of adoptions by 1972 was 9798".--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

10,000 per year sounds about right and if anything a little higher than might be expected; in the UK, with a broadly similar culture and a much higher population than Australia, the record number of adoptions in a year was 24,800 in 1968. (The number drops drastically after that date owing to the legalisation of abortion, improved contraception, and the disappearance of the stigma around single parents.) I strongly suspect you were the 29,297th child ever to be adopted in Queensland, not the 29,297th that year. ‑ Iridescent 15:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Updating logo

• Travers Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi, I've been trying to upload a more accurate logo for our clients Wikipedia page and having no luck. Its a simple png file but I keep getting a message saying the site cannot determine if its ok to upload it.

Any guidance appreciated!

The logo I'm trying to replace is the one on the right side (infobox)

Also, am I right in saying that whilst the page was originally set up by a staff member that no longer works for the firm, that any of us can make changes to make the page more accurate? ie; there is no 'ownership' of a page on Wikipedia?

Regards & thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalbot2016 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Digitalbot2016. I'm not very familiar with logos, so I'm not going to try to answer the first part, except to point you to WP:LOGO, which may help.

As for the second part: there is indeed no "ownership" of a page in Wikipedia; but the significance of this is that your company does not own the article about it. It is an article about your company, not for your company: it should be almost entirely based one what people who have no connection with your company have published about it, and you are strongly discouraged from editing it. Please read about conflict of interest: what you should do is to make your suggested changes on the article's talk page Talk:Travers Smith: the more specific you make them, and the better you reference them to reliable published sources (preferably sources independent of the company) the more likely it is that a volunteer will pick your suggestions up and decide how to apply them.

Having said that, updating the logo is almost certainly OK for you to do, as it is presumably uncontroversial.

Two other points: if you are an employee (or contractor) for the company, you fall under the paid editing provisions, and must declare this fact. Finally, a username which suggests that the user is a bot is not permitted: please see WP:MISLEADNAME. --ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Digitalbot2016 Please direct me to a URL of the new logo and I can upload it. Google suggests there are 2 logos (white writing on black background) and vice versa. Also, it's possible the logo actually isn't copyrightable for Wikipedia, since it appears to only consist of text. In which case, it can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons instead (which I'm also happy to do). Joseph2302 17:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks both, this is all very new to me so I do appreciate your help. I'm also going to change my username or if thats not possible start a new account, didnt realise a username with 'bot' would be an issue and was just by chance I chose that name as was short on time when I set up the account.

Not sure if this logo will be suitable, directly from the site... http://www.traverssmith.com/app_themes/textpage/images/logo.png

If not its not a problem, I need to read up a bit more on Wikipedia 'etiquette' in any event. ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalbot2016 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I uploaded new logo at File: Travers Smith Logo.png, anyone know why it isn't showing up in the infobox?

Also, Digitalbot2016, the place to change your name is here. Joseph2302 18:38, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Try this change. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

banners on talk pages of pages that survived a deletion process

Many talk-pages (but not all) of pages that were nominated for one deletion process or another display a banner with links to information about the deletion attempt. I see some ADMINs add those banners when they close the deletion discussion.

Unfortunately there are many pages that provide no information to future editors about prior deletion attempts. When I come across such a page how do I go about adding the banner. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2016 (UTC)please ping me

It's {{Old AfD}}. Be aware that there are sometimes good reasons for the previous AFD not to be linked, so don't go adding them around scattergun. ‑ Iridescent 15:41, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

There's a bunch of variants at Category:Talk message boxes&from=Old, depending on the page type and deletion process. —Cryptic 15:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Ottawahitech: You pick a suitable template for the job and add it. There is a standard ordering for talk pages specified at WP:TALKLEAD, which also can be a useful place to find the common templates needed. If I'm doing something to the talk header, I'll typically add {{Talk header}} and {{WikiProject banner shell}} (for 2+ projects) if they are not already there. Here's a few of the deletion discussion recording templates:

• {{Old AfD multi}}
• {{Old AfD}}
• {{Old CfD}}
• {{Old MfD}}
• {{Old RfD}}
• {{Old TfD}}
• {{Old prod full}}

All of them work best if you supply some parameters (see each template for details). Depending on exactly how the deletion banner was added to the page, you may find a sample talk page template with parameters hidden in a comment beside the banner.

Murph9000 (talk) 15:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

How can I stop the pages on my watchlist from appearing in bold?

Hello, I hope you can help me with this one. Whenever I visit my watchlist, pages that I haven't visited for a while are appearing in bold text. This started happening a few days ago, and it's quite irritating. I suppose it would probably be more useful if pages I had visited were highlighted instead. Is there a way to suppress this from happening, or is it a technical glitch that's being addressed? Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 17:02, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

There is a technical glitch. See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Watchlist_bolding. Eagleash (talk) 17:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I just read through it. Hopefully there'll be a solution to this soon. This is Paul (talk) 17:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Repeated error, please advise - Cite errors

• Conation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I can't figure out how to fix the citation errors 'Cite error: The named reference xxxxxxxxxxxxx was invoked but never defined' on the page. I have verified all of the citations, and would like to properly enter them. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAT8UM (talk • contribs) 17:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

My own page?

Oberones1960 (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2016 (UTC)Michael Gallagher . Oberones60....I am not permitted to Create my own page and don,t know why. Am I restricted?

Your talk page would have warning messages if you had been restricted. But users are strongly discouraged from trying to create articles about themselves. Is that what you mean? Maproom (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

You shouldn't have a problem creating an article. But before you do so please read Wikipedia:Your first article and some of the pages linked from there, or your article is almost certain to not meet Wikipedia's standards and be deleted. Also, as Maproom stated, you should not create an article about yourself or a group you are closely involved with. It is often a good idea to start a new article as a draft in your userspace, where you can work on it at your leisure. If you were referring to your user page, you have a user page that you created in 2014. You should be able to go ahead and edit it. For more information on user pages, see here. If you still have issues, try to copy-and-paste here any error or warning messages you get. Help:Contents can point you to lots of information, including other places to get assistance. --47.138.165.200 (talk) 20:03, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for posing the question user: Oberones1960. It reminded me that I did not have access to my user-page on my first couple of years at wikipedia. It is all kind of fuzzy now, but I don’t believe there was any indication of this on my talk-page, as user:Maproom suggests. I could probably find out who deleted my user-page by a simple lookup in the deletion log, but what I should really do one day, if I can figure out how to do it, is find the editor who restored my ability to create a user-page and thank them. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)please ping me

References

I'm trying to edit an entry and am having problems entering my references. The history books that I would like to reference are copyrighted, however they do not have ISBN numbers. Is there a way to input the book information without the ISBN number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harlolocal (talk • contribs) 19:11, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Use {{cite book}}, and fill in the parameters that you do have. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

When ISBN numbers are not available, you can use OCLC numbers. Go to www.worldcat.org and search for the book you have to find out its OCLC number. Just about any book has one, even if it doesn't have an ISBN. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Excellent point above. Just note: once you find the book (and version) at Worldcat, the OCLC number will be provided in the URL, next to "/oclc/", which you can just copy from your browser address bar.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Elizabeth Stafford

Please get rid of the "red" link - I have searched and there is no relevant link. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

@Srdernadette: Thank you for your suggestion regarding Elizabeth Stafford. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Pppery 23:14, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Nice answer Pppery. @Srdernadette: If it bugs you that much -just remove the square brackets yourself.--Aspro (talk) 23:53, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

@Aspro: That message above is the canned template {{subst:HD/fix}}, by the way. Pppery 23:54, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I know of it, may use it myself, if and when the need arises.--Aspro (talk) 00:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

@Aspro: There are many other canned help desk messages you can use. Look at {{HD/doc}} for a full index. Pppery 00:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Gosh, that's a lot to remember. How do you add this to your favourite file for easy retrieval? Or do you keep a separate file of useful WP templates? WP has such a plethora of templates, policies etc., that I haven’t yet worked out a way of organising them all.--Aspro (talk) 00:33, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

You could create a subpage in your user space with convenient links. Gadgets and scripts can let you automagically insert useful templates and do a million other things, but there's a bit of a learning curve in using them efficiently. --47.138.165.200 (talk) 06:10, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

@Aspro: You can memorize {{Help desk templates}}, or better yet its acronymized shortcut {{HDT}}, which links to common help desk templates including {{HD}}, and you can also click on "How to answer" which is a link here, just above the TOC.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

@Aspro: If you use wp: categories to organize this topic, you will also be helping other editors. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2016 (UTC)please ping me