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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 16 October 2021 [1].

UEFA Euro 2016 Final

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well UEFA Euro 2016 was a bit of a whimper, and yet we got to the final, where Portugal had somehow "appeared" despite drawing all three of their group matches and qualifying "through the back door" for the knockout stage. It was a bit of a CR7 exhibition up to that point, but the glorious one was forced off with an injury, early in the final against a resurgent France team who had frankly dominated their route to the final. Goalless at the end of regular time in the final, Eder popped up to score the winner to give Portugal their first major trophy and to annoy the French who just went one better two years later by winning the 2018 FIFA World Cup. It's a decent article, I think (of course), and as ever, I will work to address all constructive criticism. Thanks in advance for your comments and any time you might spend with the nomination, it's always appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass

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Comments Support by Amakuru

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Background
  • "along with the host name" - probably mention and link to France national football team at this point. In fact, the body of the article currently lacks links to the France and Portugal team article altogether.
  • "along with the host team, qualified for the finals, along with" - repetition of "along with"
  • "playing one another" - each other
  • "four best third-placed sides"- slightly vague; what do you mean by "best"?
  • "on home soil" - journalese
  • "via golden goal" - "via a golden goal"?
  • "24 times ... won eighteen" - comparable amounts, but I'll leave it to you to decide if they're far enough apart
    Done these all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Route to the final
  • "equalised after Birkir Bjarnason scored" - "when" would seem better. I don't think they scored and then equalised afterwards.
  • "Parc des Princes in Paris" - we already know it's in Paris
  • Link penalty area
  • "The first half ended goalless, but late in the second half, Portugal were awarded a penalty kick when Cristiano Ronaldo, who became his country's most-capped player in that game, was fouled in the Austrian penalty area by defender Martin Hinteregger; however, Ronaldo missed the penalty, striking the foot of the goalpost" - long sentence alert
  • "He also saw a header disallowed" - journalese
  • "As the third-placed team from Group F" - not sure this is necessary, it is recapping already known info
These done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More to come.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Link "header" on first use
  • Maybe clarify that the game against Croatia was a round of 16 or whatever
  • "the second-fastest goal ever scored in the history of the tournament" - perhaps say "at the time" or similar, as it has now been demoted down to fourth-fastest. Also the word "ever" can probably be dropped.
  • "more than 10 hours of football" - is this national team only, or including club?
  • "the semi-finals ... The semi-finals" - I guess it's separate paragraphs, but still feels a little repetitive
  • "and saw them" - which saw them?
  • "who they played" - whom they played
  • "Six minutes into stoppage time" - need a link probably
  • "In their final match" - final group match
  • "appeared to foul Switzerland's Blerim Džemaili" - [according to whom?]
  • Could note that Germany were World Cup holders at the time
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pre-match
  • "This was the first time a match ball was not used exclusively for the final, and the first time multiple balls were used throughout the tournament (excluding the final)" - I think I see what this is saying, but the wording is slightly confusing. Particularly as it's not actually the first time multiple balls were used, only that the changeover from one ball to another occurred at a different point.
  • "official to officiate" - funny-sounding
  • "the aforementioned Champions League final" - slightly eggy link here
  • "has officiated the" - don't need "has"
  • "Domestically, he also officiated the 2012 Football League Cup Final and the 2013 FA Community Shield" - this might be a bit too much detail now.
  • "He is the first English European Championship final referee" - was
These done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Summary
  • Maybe mention the weather and humidity in the prose, as per the infobox
  • I just watched some footage of the match and there was a shot by Sissoko inside the penalty area in the 33rd minute that was saved by the goalkeeper. Maybe see if that's covered anywhere.
  • "The match ended 0–0" - not really ended, as it continued into extra time!
  • "With four minutes remaining Nani's" - should be a comma after remaining
Addressed all these. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Post-match
  • "tenth nation to win the European Championship" - maybe tenth different nation?
  • "to win the Euro" - odd wording
  • "Had France won the final, it also would have been a Bayern player to have this new record, Kingsley Coman (20 years, 27 days)" - not really sure we need this hypothetical
  • "described Eder as "The ugly duckling scored! Now he's the beautiful swan!"" - doesn't quite scan. "The ugly duckling scored" isn't a description of someone...
  • "his team was "as simple as doves"" - it feels like "his team were" might fit better, to match the plural doves
  • "noting ... He noted that" - repetition of noting
  • Maybe say whether Portugal managed to defend their trophy at Euro 2020?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:36, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • "In the knockout rounds, France defeated the Republic of Ireland, Iceland and Germany in the semi-final" - ambiguous wording, the "in the semi-final" could refer to all three teams.
  • "There was a brief delay to the match early in the second half while a pitch invader was removed by security" - I wasn't totally sure that this detail was necessary in the body of the article, but it certainly isn't needed here.
  • "he received the ball and held off Laurent Koscielny before running infield and striking the ball" - repetition of "the ball"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it. Good work as ever. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru I think I've (finally) addressed your comments, cheers as ever. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm happy! Support.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from ChrisTheDude

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  • "The sixteen-team tournament consisted of a group stage, from which eight teams qualified for the knockout phase" - see my comment re: this wording at the FAC for the 2012 final
  • "The remaining four places were determined via two-legged play-offs of the other eight third-placed teams" => "The remaining four places were determined via two-legged play-offs involving the other eight third-placed teams"
  • "the Polish striker's first goal in more than 10 hours of football" - specifically international football, presumably?
  • "saw them reach their first UEFA European Championship final since 2004" - don't need you need to restate this here (it was already mentioned earlier)
  • "France's next opposition were Albania" - opposition is a singular noun but the verb is plural
  • "who they played five days later" => "whom they played five days later"
  • "In addition, Clattenburg, FIFA listed since 2007 and a UEFA Elite referee, has officiated the 2012 Olympics gold medal match and the 2014 UEFA Super Cup" => "In addition, Clattenburg, FIFA listed since 2007 and a UEFA Elite referee, officiated the 2012 Olympics gold medal match and the 2014 UEFA Super Cup"
  • "He is the first English European Championship final referee since Arthur Ellis in 1960 and Arthur Holland in 1964" - firstly, it should be "was" not "is", and secondly it seems odd to say he was "the first since X" and then list list two previous occasions that he was the first since.......
  • "Portugal manager, Santos, praised" - not sure those commas are needed
  • "France, led once again by Deschamps, won tournament" => "France, led once again by Deschamps, won the tournament"
  • That's what I got on this one :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude thanks for your comments here (and at the 2012 FAC!), I hopefully have addressed these ones to your satisfaction, let me know if there's anything more I need to do? Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Cas Liber

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Placeholder...looking soon....

Portugal became the tenth different nation to win the European Championship - is "different" necessary here?
Another reviewer said as such. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I made some minor tweaks - above is by no means a deal-breaker. Looks good on comprehensiveness and prose Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:08, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Cas, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from Amakuru - Pass

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That's all I can see on formatting etc. I'll be back with a "comprehensiveness" check and spot checks later on hopefully!  — Amakuru (talk) 11:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru done, cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: re the dead links, I think the order should be swapped around so that the archived link is the first one that readers see in the cite, not the second. You can do that by flipping the parameter from url-status=live to url-status=dead. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can blame IABot for that, I run it regularly on all these articles and it should be picking that stuff up. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done now (manually). The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Spot checks and breadth of sourcing
  • 1 - where does it verify "suffered their first defeat at a major tournament hosted in the country since the 1960 European Nations' Cup third-place playoff against Czechoslovakia"? Also, it looks like its list of finals doesn't differentiate between those that went to extra time and those that didn't, so "fifth European Championship final to end in a draw after 90 minutes of play" also seems to need another ref.
    Added another ref and another factoid while I was there. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2 - "six players, three from each team in the final, were named in the UEFA team of the tournament" - my reading is that the breakdown was 4 Portuguese and 2 French.
    Great spot. Fixed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 10 & 11 - the two sources give different figures for the possession (72% vs 66%) and also shots (26 vs 27) but not too much we can do about that I guess.
    Indeed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sourcing related, but I've just realised that the "Summary" box at the bottom of the "Route to the final" section uses nested tables, which is frowned upon by WP:DTT for accessibility reasons. I think we've got around this in other articles by chopping the group tables and just listing results a simple table to the right of each country's prose.
    I've done that now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other than that, I spot-checked about 10–15 other refs, and found them all accurate.
  • The breadth of sourcing looks good too, covering reactions from the international press as well in addition to the UK sourcing used for much of the prose. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru thanks, especially for that bombshell on the table (which to be honest I only preserved out of respect to some of the other contributors to the article). All should be done. Let me know if you have any other thoughts. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one, looks good. Passing on sourcing.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:11, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack

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There's little I can add at this point, the article is very well written and has been thoroughly reviewed. A few minor link points above but I'll be supporting either way. Kosack (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kosack many thanks, one query for you above, and please do let me know if there's anything else I can do. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support. Kosack (talk) 09:52, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: four supports, image review passed and source review passed. Can I nominate another candidate? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:56, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, a bit earlier than I generally like to consider closure (and, ipso facto, agree to a new nom) but it's clearly pretty much there so sure, go ahead. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: anything else required? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by JennyOz

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Sorry TRM, just when you thought...

That's it, JennyOz (talk) 10:13, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz no worries, and thanks for your comments, to which I've responded in toto above. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fab! Thanks, happy to support, JennyOz (talk) 11:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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