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WATCH Recent filter changes (): Filter 1306 — Flags: disabled Last changed at 07:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC) Filter 1318 — Actions: tag; Pattern modified Last changed at 06:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC) Filter 1323 (new) — Actions: none; Flags: enabled,public; Pattern modified Last changed at 06:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC) This is the edit filter noticeboard, for coordination and discussion of edit filter use and management. If you wish to request an edit filter, please post at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested. If you would like to report a false positive, please post at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives. Private filters should not be discussed in detail here; please email an edit filter manager if you have specific concerns or questions about the content of hidden filters. There are currently 332 enabled filters and 44 stale filters with no hits in the past 30 days. Filter condition use is ~1018, out of a maximum of 2000. (). See also the profiling data and edit filter graphs. Click here to start a new discussion thread

Proposal for 1157 update

1157 catches tagging even if the Template prefix is used, but it fails to catch edits using the TM: alias, the msg: prefix, or both (as in msg:TM: or msg:Template: which also work). See Special:Diff/1239799166 and Special:Diff/1239799326. Pinging @DannyS712 who added the Template: check. Nickps (talk) 16:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

We should also add (Sir Sputnik \(mobile\)) to the ignoreusers string per this. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 16:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Actually, you should probably ignore this since it's actually impossible to catch everything with an edit filter. Things like {{soc{{void}}k}} cannot be caught with a regex. But, if you decide to add something anyway, I forgot to mention in my original request that things like {{w:sock}}, {{en:sock}} as well as any combinations like {{MSG:w:w:en:en:en:w:TM:sock}} are also valid. Nickps (talk) 08:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know if this already exists, but we could probably have a filter that warns for {{void}} and namespace/wiki spam on a template for newbies. Example regex for namespace spam might be ({{|\[\[)(\w+:){3,}.+(}}|\]\]). I’ll take this to suggested if we don’t already have one. Lordseriouspig 03:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Should change the first dot for a \w^{(alphanumeric characters + underscore)} or something, otherwise it will match things like:

@[[User:Lordseriouspig|Lordseriouspig]]: Try asking at [[WP:VPT]], or [[WP:EFN]]. – 2804:F1...49:C8BD (talk) 04:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Good idea. btw you might be logged out Lordseriouspig 04:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

And to the IP address, you might consider creating an account – it's free and it comes with many other benefits. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 05:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

1321 set to disallow

See my rationale in the comments. Please don't discuss this filter on-wiki; email me if you have any concerns. —Ingenuity (t • c) 19:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not in any position to have taken part or even know where the previous discussion happened exactly - but you did consider the discussed reasons why the previous filter wasn't set to disallow before making this one, right? – 2804:F1...49:C8BD (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. —Ingenuity (t • c) 00:38, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

1297: is "fake[ ]news" a potential mixed-use word?

I think I mostly understand what the filter's useful for—but I'm not sure whether this would be useful, borderline, or not useful. Thanks for the patience in advance. Remsense ‥ 论 03:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

This is far too common in actual constructive revisions to put into the filter. There are so many possible uses for it that the filter would probably be tripping far too often to be effective. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 23:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Naturally. I guess I'm just unduly interested in the filter system for some reason—is there an acquired rule of thumb for how many false positives is too many? I would imagine it's extremely low, and quantifying it strictly would be asinine, but naturally thinking we stopped 5 constructive contributions would sting, even if we prevented thousands of routine vandals. Remsense ‥ 论 00:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

It's not so much the amount of false positives here, but the common usage. It's used in news reports, legitimate article content, and so much more. For example, see the full fifteen mentions of fake news on Presidency of Donald Trump, plus Fake news and similar articles. At the same time, you do have a valid point, it's a fairly mixed-use word, though probably for the best if we don't add that without strong evidence that it's being misused. I don't think I've seen much that gets past RecentChanges, personally. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 02:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Short form versions of various EFFP parameters?

I've noticed that {{EFFP|pagenameadded}}, {{EFFP|pagenamefixed}}, and {{EFFP|reportfixed}} have no short versions. May I suggest that we add short versions of these parameters of {{EFFP}} just so that they are easier to type out? For example, we could use "EFFP|pna" for pagenameadded, "EFFP|pnf" for pagenamefixed and "EFFP|rf" for reportfixed. Let me know what you all think. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 21:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Filter 174

Why is filter 174 only set to warn & tag? And why does it only apply to non-autoconfirmed users? I see a lot of removals by autoconfirmed users that have to be repeatedly reverted. I don't see any disadvantage to disallowing removal by all non-extended-confirmed users. Anyone with less than 500 edits generally isn't experienced enough to be closing XfD discussions. C F A 💬 18:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Set filter 707 to disallow? (round 2)

• 707 (hist · log) (EFFPR disruption, public)

This is a continued discussion from Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard/Archive 13#Set filter 707 to disallow?.

We've made the message for the filter, and based on the hits, it's working as it should be (logging all drive-by vandals disrupting EFFPR). Does anyone object if we actually set the filter to disallow? Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 01:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)