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Category:TFR television network to Category:TeleFutura television network

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The result of the debate was rename all. Syrthiss 04:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Also subcategories: Category:TFR network affiliates to Category:TeleFutura network affiliates, Category:TFR network shows to Category:TeleFutura network shows.)

Although I'm willing to concede that I may be wrong (which is why I didn't just list this as a speedy), as far as I know this television network is normally referred to by the full word TeleFutura and rarely if ever by the acronym TFR. I propose renaming, although I'm also willing to withdraw the nomination if someone can confirm to me that "TFR" is actually a normal and standard way to refer to this network. Bearcat 22:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:North American area codes to Category:Area codes in the United States

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 04:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency. Radiant_>|< 21:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:United Kingdom area codes to Category:Area codes in the United Kingdom

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 04:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency. Radiant_>|< 21:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Greek Area Codes to Category:Area codes in Greece

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 04:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency. Radiant_>|< 21:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Pilots merged with Category:Aviators

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The result of the debate was merge to aviators and redirect to transportation occupations. Syrthiss 04:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both categories currently consist of military pilots, solo pilots, adventurers, etcetera...there's no distinction made, and it would be difficult to ever make one. Since Aviators is a more complete category (including subcats, etc), I suggest we keep it, and move all the "Pilots" over. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Bases of the U.S. Marine Corps to Category:United States Marine Corps bases

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 04:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. to standard United States and change category name to match what is used in the other services. Vegaswikian 20:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Military of the Republic of Ireland

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The result of the debate was Kept, with delayed reverse merge per Jan 26. Syrthiss 04:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

duplicate of Category:Irish Defence Forces, which is the name of the main article (the only one in the CFD category) Joestynes 18:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Joestynes 11:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse Merge okay, I understand Joshbaumgartner's logic; since the overlap is total, everything in Category:Irish Defence Forces should be reassigned to Category:Military of the Republic of Ireland and the former cat then deleted. I don't know how to mark Category:Irish Defence Forces and redirect discussion here; is there any need to do so? Joestynes 09:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Alai 10:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as 'Irish Defence Forces' is a proper noun for a specific organization and as such should be a sub-cat of 'Military of the Republic of Ireland'. If there are not enough articles to warrant both categories, the merge should be in reverse of the nomination. Military of country is a consistent category name throughout countries, and should not be replaced by proper noun names of military organizations, as these may not be as easily recognized by researchers. Josh 23:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per JB. There's a naming convention for "Military of <country>" categories, and this is the one that complies with it. Alai 09:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:American string instrument musicians

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 04:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empty. I don't know whether it was ever in use, but there are other categories for the relevant articles. Bhoeble 18:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:12 Stones albums

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The result of the debate was keep. Syrthiss 04:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, every band on Wikipedia does not need its own category. Nomination withdrawn: I didn't realize recording artists were organized as described below; I agree we should Keep. — simpatico hi 18:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Nickelodeon Actors → Category:Nickelodeon child actors

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The result of the debate was no consensus, keep. Syrthiss 04:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carly 18:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Generational", as you use the term here, is a POV. Most adults hopefully are informed beyond the narrow limits of their kidspeak; those who aren't should certainly not have their limitations reinforced by Wikipedia. "Nickelodeon", standing alone, has across generations referred to a late 19th-early 20th century moving image device, which cost a nickel to operate. Subsequent uses of the term have all been rooted in this original, and thereby best-known, meaning. 12.73.195.92 02:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Stanley Cup Champions → Category:Stanley Cup winners

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The result of the debate was no consensus, keep. Syrthiss 04:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To be consistent with other sports award categories. ThreeAnswers 20:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Child prodigies

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 04:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be being used indiscriminately for any one young(ish)that takes someone's fancy. The Wikipedia article Child prodigy suggests that the term be use for people up to the age of about 11 who have achieved something notable. The first few names I clicked on this list were various ages from 11 to early twenties. Some of them had articles which showed that they went on to have great careers, but of their early years there is often a nondescript sentences on the lines of 's/he was looked on as a prodigy' without specifying what was so amazing. To speak two languages by the age of 5, specified for one listed person, is in fact a commonplace achievement. As the category is being used so widely as to be meaningless, and as there is no mechanism to police it so that it contains 'real' prodigies as defined by WP, it should be deleted.- Smerus 14:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the update!


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Category:Living people

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The result of the debate was king jimbo has spoken; it stays --Kbdank71 14:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note from Jimbo: This category is desperately needed to deal with a growing problem. Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons is an attempt to deal with the problem, but in order for that policy to be effective, we need a convenient way for people who are interested in this topic to systematically go through vetting these articles. I am flexible on the title and structure of the category, of course, but I believe that CfD is not appropriate.--Jimbo Wales 15:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Second Note from Jimbo: Let me be clear about this. This category is desperately needed and is not optional. I am willing to impose it from top down if necessary. I am flexible as to the title and structure of this category, but CfD is not appropriate.--Jimbo Wales 20:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Third Note from Jimbo: This AfD is closed. Take it to the talk page Category_talk:Living people.

(adding back the comments/wangi 20:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)) (adding back the comments again. Please stop removing them and posting them on the category's talk page, where they form an enormous block of clutter. CfD debates belong in CfD archives.— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete L-O-L. Michael Jackson, Mustafa Sandal and Brian Curtin, who knew? --CDN99 15:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Danny and Jimbo have created this category for the purpose of a project to improve and monitor biographies of living persons. Further information is to be provided on the mailing list; I will update the discussion with a link when I have it. Demi T/C 15:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's a good idea. SlimVirgin (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This category will, if updated accordingly, contain tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of articles. Who will ever have the time to go through them? No vote. JIP | Talk 15:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: What about implementing a Special page that lists all articles with a birth date category, but not a death date category? This would effectively be the same as a "Living People" category (after fixing articles that mistakenly omit a death category). Carbonite | Talk 15:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    There really isn't a simple way to accomplish what you've requested. It would basically require some HUGE set operations (union of all years born - union of all years dead) and thus couldn't be made available via a special page. I can however perform this query offline, which will be good to tell people what to tag. --Gmaxwell 16:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps you could create a bot which finds articles which fulfill these criteria and adds them to Category:Living people. You can have it collect articles with a year of birth category for years higher than, say, 1890, and no year of death category. Somehow I think that using Category:Living people will be more maintainable in the long run but we can use the information we already have to jumpstart it. - Haukur 16:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm already on it, I'm halfway done, see here (caution 3mb list).. The problem is that all 64,000 must be checked by hand, because there are quite a few who look alive in their analysis because we don't know their year of death. If there weren't quite so many I'd make a semi-automated bot show me all the first paragraphs and let me say yes/no.. In any case, even if all these were added this would not be our largest category by a pretty reasonable margin. --Gmaxwell 16:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow! That was fast. And the page crashed my browser :) Now we just have to find out what we do with it. - Haukur 16:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep unless something better is suggested. There are a number of people whose year of birth is known but year of death unknown so I'm not quite sold on Carbonite's idea :) There are also a number of living people whose year of birth is not public information. - Haukur 15:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the year of death is unknown, let's create a "Year of death unknown" category. We could also have a "Year of birth unknown" category. The Special page would basically just select all articles where the person was born but hasn't died. This is a fairly simple SELECT query and the results could be cached to reduce server load. The majority of biographies are already tagged with birth and death categories, so it makes more sense to use the information we already have than to create a whole new category. Carbonite | Talk 15:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Because of the great many articles involved the query is actually fairly time consuming (although it is simple as you say). It took 4 minutes to generate. You're right about the need for the unknown deaths ... Gonna fix some of them? --Gmaxwell 16:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is an administrative category such as cleanup or unsourced images, and a *very* useful one at that. JIP, this category will be used by recent changes tools to flag edits to these articles for review and by edit filtering bots. So even if the category becomes huge, it will still remain useful. --Gmaxwell 15:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional delete: I like Carbonite's second idea about a special page, this seems unmaintainable in its current format. Don't delete until proof-of-concept exists for the auto-categorization scheme, though. -- nae'blis (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete—Yet another patch created for the sole purpose of obscuring the truth: that bureaucratic manipulation of a supposedly open editing system doesn't work. This category was created to hide the fact that the few people controlling content at Wikipedia can't keep up with the workload. By shifting our attention to living people, the premise is that dead people won't care as much if their biography is incorrect. This patchwork of obfuscation is coming apart at the seams. Wikipedia will work when everyone has equal power to police each other. Editors come in here assuming good faith that their contributions will be judged on content, not Wikipedia politics and hierarchy. Category patches like "Living people" just delay the inevitable outcome of lying to these editors. *Peace Inside 16:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not just that dead people "don't care as much". It's also that living people are much more likely to have enemies and trolls inserting libel into their articles. - Haukur 16:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Enemies and trolls" make up a small percentage of the total Wikipedia membership and have a relatively small voice when editors have equal power to police each other. Against the few content controllers in the current system, however, "enemies and trolls" are overwhelming. Also, I'm sure most people would agree that Wikipedia bureaucracy creates "enemies and trolls." *Peace Inside 17:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Very practical solution to an evolving problem. Useful for verifying categories and facts of BLP.--FloNight 16:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speey Keep. Requested by Jimbo. If someone doesn't like the idea, think of another one and implement that as well. Both can work together. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-19 17:01
  • Delete, per Carbonite's reasoning above. If this a requirement then come up with a smart solution using the database and year born / year died dates. Speedy keep because Jimbo says so - oh please... Thanks/wangi 17:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Or even better: Wikipedia:Persondata. Thanks/wangi 17:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's just useless category clutter - useless because no one is going to monitor the contents effectively. If it becomes fully populated there will only be a known sensitive article on every other page or so, so they won't be easy to spot in a sea of unfamiliar names, unless you know which articles you are looking for, in which case you can use the search box. No-one has any significant knowledge about more than a fraction of the living people with articles, so clicking on names at random won't be very productive. I don't want to see a link that is such a waste of space on tens of thousands of articles (and it will be hundreds of thousands before long). If we want a useful tool for the stated purpose it should be called something like category:Previously vandalised biographies of living people. CalJW 17:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete this seems like a real kludge, and its adoption for short-term convenience encourages long-term sloppiness and clutter. the main purpose of categories ought to be to provide further links for readers interested in a general topic. this category is useless in that regard. on the other hand, it is useful to wikipedia editors -- as a type of database entry. perhaps a more elegant & useful solution would be to allow "invisible" database tags on articles. i suppose it's just a matter of aesthetics, but seeing "living people" at the bottom of the page just looks stupid to me -- so do birth/death cats though. why not just keep a list (or lists) of these ... that's about as easy as adding a category tag. Derex 17:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:Persondata for those "invisible database tags on articles"... Ta/wangi 17:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! adding that template should be no harder than adding a "living persons" category. it's also more generically useful. then, living persons is trivial per carbonite. double-delete this silly category. Derex 17:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This would only be useful for offline analysis, not for flagging recent changes.. for example. --Gmaxwell 18:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Healthcare practitioners and technical occupations to Category:Healthcare occupations

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 04:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Chiropractors to Category:Chiropractors by nationality

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The result of the debate was keep as current, Chiro by nat is a subcat of Chiropractors. Syrthiss 04:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Oriental medicine to Category:Traditional medicine

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The result of the debate was Split to Traditional medicine and Traditional Chinese medicine. Syrthiss 04:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Bach flower remedies to Category:Homeopathy

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 03:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Homeopathic remedies to Category:Homeopathy

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 03:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Traditional medical practices to Category:Traditional medicine

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 03:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Jakobstad

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 03:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category has been bothering me for months. It's the "odd one out" in the subcategories of Category:Cities and towns in Finland. Jakobstad is way too small to deserve its own category at this point. The category has a total of three articles, one for the city itself and two for historical people associated with it. To see how minor this city is compared to the others with their own categories, see List of Finnish municipalities by population and the other Finnish city categories. Currently the next smallest city with its own category is Kajaani (see Category:Kajaani), which also has very few articles. Kajaani is at place 21 - Jakobstad is at place 54. That's a bigger difference in placings than between Kajaani and the biggest city, Helsinki. According to the list, Kajaani has 35842 people, Jakobstad has 19457. That means Kajaani is 1.84 times as big as Jakobstad, and still is a reasonably small city in Finland. Keep in mind that of the other cities with their own categories, Kajaani is the smallest, and even then it has such a huge difference compared to Jakobstad. I recommend this category be deleted. JIP | Talk 11:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Louisville education to Category:Education in Louisville

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 03:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to the same format as the other 53 categories in Category:Education by city. Choalbaton 07:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:Louisville transportation to Category:Transportation in Louisville

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 03:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to match its eleven siblings in Category:Transportation in the United States by city. Choalbaton 07:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:Negative numbers

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The result of the debate was Delete. Syrthiss 03:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wikipedia don't have articles for negative numbers, and the only existing one, -19 is being deleted. -- Egil 06:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

End the favoring of positive numbers today! --Salix alba (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Graded American Stakes Races to Category:United States horse races

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The result of the debate was merge. Syrthiss 03:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Like the item below, this one has been renamed to a non-standard form and redirected. No attempt has been made to perform the useful task of actually dividing the races by grade. Merge into Category:United States horse races to return things to how they were before. Choalbaton 04:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:American Horseracing Trainers to Category:American horse trainers

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The result of the debate was merge and delete. Syrthiss 03:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This has been unilaterally changed from the standard form by the use of a redirect. Merge back into pre-existing Category:American horse trainers. Choalbaton 04:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:World of Stephen Colbert

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 03:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Overlaps heavily with Category:The Colbert Report and possibly Category:The Daily Show. Per Wikipedia:Categorization of people and Category:Articles by person, typically only exceptionally notable people have their own category. --Interiot 03:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Syracuse buildings to Category:Buildings and structures in Syracuse, New York

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 03:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another irregular buildings and structures category. Rename as per convention for subcategories of Category:Buildings and structures by city. Choalbaton 01:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]


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Category:Manitobans to Category:People from Manitoba

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 03:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

People from Place style. JonHarder 00:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Subcategories of Category:Australian people by states and territories

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The result of the debate was rename all. Syrthiss 03:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All subcats within listed category need to be renamed--nixie 00:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category: Iranologits

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Misspelling of Iranologists. JonHarder 00:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure? Perhaps it's about gits who practice Iranology. JIP | Talk 14:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tourist attractions in California to Category:Tourism in California

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The result of the debate was rename. Syrthiss 03:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match the format used by the other subcats of Category:United States tourism by state. Vegaswikian 00:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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