User talk:SpikeToronto/Archive 04

January 2010

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Original Query: Hey Phoenix of 9! Welcome back! — SpikeToronto (talk) 23:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC) — from Welcome Back at User talk:Phoenix_of9 Response: I know this is kinda late but thanks. Still not that active anymore though. Phoenix of9 (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC) I’m glad you’re back, even if in a limited capacity. You’re a good content editor who has a positive contribution to make to the encyclopedia. I’m sorry you became disillusioned with the content discussion last Summer regarding the lede to Homosexuality. It was a fairly mild debate and, for the most part, quite collegial. One just has to be patient and compromising. These things can take time to work through. For the most part, the other editors seemed genuinely inclined to incorporate your suggestions once consensus could be reached. As it is, I do not know how the article eventually turned out since I no longer have it watchlisted. Again, I’m glad to see you back and look forward to your work. Happy editing! — SpikeToronto 06:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC) Btw, if you are interested: Talk:Homosexuality#Rewrite_agenda Phoenix of9 (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC) Hi Po9! Sorry for the delay. By the time I got to it, the thread to which you were referring had been moved to Talk:Homosexuality/Archive_17#Rewrite_agenda (i.e., archived). No one has added to the discussion since the third week of October. Do you know what the status of the re-write project is? By the way, and on the topic of archives, would you like me help archive your talk page? It can be set up to occur automatically. Also by the way, whatever happened to your old user page? Knowing you were an inveterate Leafs supporter provided such a window to your soul. :) — SpikeToronto 16:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Hey. Its current status is that it needs more people :P And my talk page is quiet now, it really doesnt need archiving but thx! And my new page is more concise so this gets more attention: "This user took off and nuked the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." I love that one lol. By the way I know my new sig is too similar to yours but mine is red :P Phoenix of9 15:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC) To be honest, I am not much interested in editing any of the LGBT topics. They, or sections thereof, are too often held captive by those whose politics and/or religion pits them against the so-called “gay agenda.” So, they find little procedural ways to prevent the articles from being improved. (A good example was the wikiarticle on gay marriage this past Summer while you were away. Take a look at its talk page. (You’ll probably have to root around in its archives.) There was even very shrewd, unfortunately legal, sockpuppetting going on.) I like to see things progress with forward momentum, not be held back, stuck in consensus committee hell, so to speak. This is not to say that I have any problem with Wikipedia’s collaborative process in general. I just want no part of it on articles that the religious right feel compelled to muzzle. Since, by defintion, muzzling and consensus are antithetical to one another. Consequently, I don’t even have any of the LGBT pages watchlisted. So, without your heads up, I would not have even known that an overhaul was underway. It would be great if that article could achive feature article (FA) status since then it would be in main-page rotation. Main-page rotation would be poetic justice against those who think the article’s very existence is a recruiting tool for our (nonexistent) legions of gay predators … er … recruiters. The only reason that I got involved back when you were working on the lede was that I agreed with some of your points and wanted to lend a modicum of support to try to animate consensus. As for setting up automatic archiving of your talk page, let me know if you ever want it done. It takes about five minutes. As for your user page, I keep coming back to the Leafs when I think about it. Being aged 102, at least the Leafs won Lord Stanley’s Cup at various points in my lifetime. But, they haven’t achieved that feat in more than double your lifetime! No wonder you decided just to nuke the h*ll out of everything from high orbit. Finally, talk about copycat signatures! I mean, really! You couldn’t have varied it a bit more?! :) Seriously, though, I think we will rarely ever be signing the same talk pages, so no issue. They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery … <grin> — SpikeToronto 20:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC) LOL, Hey phoenix is supposed to be red. Phoenix...fire...red. And of9 is black cause red and black is cool lol. But yea, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. As for homosexuality, I dont wanna jinx anything but it doesnt suffer from the problems you talked about. Phoenix of9 10:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC) Glad to hear it! There are four or five wikiarticles that deal with gay marriage and work on them was, perhaps still is, being held up by one sock-puppetting individual. You can read a bit about it here. In the end, because of the subtle way in which the puppet covered his a**, there was nothing that could be done. Sure, the Administrator could have tried moral suasion, but when the perpetrator is possessed of the conviction that he already has the moral high ground on the issue, such a suasion attempt would have been for naught. So, given that it’s now a dead issue here in Canada (I have the gold band to prove it!), and will not be resolved in all 50 States in my lifetime, being aged 102, I lost interest. To be honest, I was not all that interested in the first place and had only become (momentarily) involved because another wikieditor asked me to look at a debate on the talk page. Otherwise, I would never have edited the article. … hmm … reading that back it sounds a bit snotty … TTFN. — SpikeToronto 19:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Russ Adams & The New York Mets

Original Query:

Hi Doh286! You recently added to the wikiarticle on Russ Adams that he had signed a minor league agreement with the New York Mets.^† While I am glad that he is with the National League, where I always thought he should have been instead of having had his career destroyed by Ricciardi and the Toronto Blue Jays, the addition of this information requires a verifiable reference/citation. Do you have the source for the info that you added? If so, please add it as a footnote to the article, or provide the data here and I will add it to the article for you. If you want to do it yourself, and are unsure of how to do it, take a look at WP:REFBEGIN. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 00:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Russ Adams at User talk:Doh286

^†http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Russ_Adams&curid=2647281&diff=336041542&oldid=333646441

Response:

Source for Russ Adams signing with Mets: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100105&content_id=7874978&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb— Preceding unsigned comment added by Doh286 (talk) 04:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done  Thanks Doh286! With these edits, I added the footnote and updated the Professional career section of the article. You might want to have a look at WP:BLPCITE to read the policy that requires all material added to the biographies of living persons to be accompanied by verifiable references/citations. You might also want to have a look at WP:REFBEGIN for how to create verifiable references/citations/footnotes. Thanks again for the citation! — SpikeToronto 06:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

My Userpage

Thanks, I couldn't figure that one out myself, definitely needed the help. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Note:  Comment refers to this edit. — SpikeToronto 05:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh! I forgot: You’re welcome! I use the {{Collapse top}}/{{Collapse bottom}} pair all the time so knew the fix immediately. — SpikeToronto 06:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Tildes in Edit Summaries

Original Query:

Hi Muggins! Just a little reminder that you do not have to put four tildes (i.e., ~~~~) in the edit summaries. The system is unable to process them. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 05:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Tildes in Edit Summaries at User talk:Mugginsx

Response:

Thanks, I really do know that, but sometimes I get typing fast and my mind is going 100 mph and I forget. I am glad you reminded me! Mugginsx (talk) 10:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem! I’m just not sure whether having them in an edit summary taxes the system or not, so I thought I’d just pass along the tip. Happy editing! — SpikeToronto 01:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Important notice about VOTE 3 in the CDA poll

You are receiving this message as you have voted in VOTE 3 at the Community de-Adminship 'Proposal Finalization' Poll.

It has been pointed out that VOTE 3 was confusing, and that voters have been assuming that the question was about creating an actual two-phase CDA process. The question is merely about having a two-phase poll on CDA at the eventual RfC, where the community will have their vote (eg a "yes/no for CDA” poll, followed a choice of proposal types perhaps).

As I wrote the question, I'll take responsibility for the confusion. It does make sense if read through to the end, but it certainly wasn't as clear as it should have been, or needed to be!

Please amend your vote if appropriate - it seems that many (if not most) people interpreted the question in the way that was not intended.

Regards, Matt Lewis (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I’ve gone back and taken another look Matt and will leave my vote as originally cast. Thank you, however, for bringing the above to my attention and asking that I review the matter. — SpikeToronto 04:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

That's quite alright. We will never be able to call consensus while there are serious loose ends. Matt Lewis (talk) 00:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Automatic Signing of User Talk Pages, redux

Original Query:

Hi TTTSNB! Further to our earlier conversation regarding SineBot, would you be willing to leave an unsigned test string on my talk page to see if SineBot has figured out I exist yet? I’d really appreciate it. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 21:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Automatic Signing of User Talk Pages, redux at User talk:The Thing That Should Not Be

See also: test edit #1, test edit#2, SineBot intervention, and test edit removal.

Response:

It worked. It only does it when someone is logged out (or are a new user, I guess) apparently, but it works. [1] The Thing _{Vandalize me} 21:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow! You really went above and beyond the call of duty!! I notice, though, that when SineBot came along, it only signed your IP edit: It failed to sign your logged-in edit. Do you have the template {{NoAutosign}} on either your user page or talk page? Otherwise, SineBot should have signed both of them, should it not? If you do not have the template {{NoAutosign}} on either of your user or talk page, and SineBot should have signed both entries, do you think we should file a report with SineBot’s human master?

I will not file a comment with him/her until I have your opinion. Thanks again for all your effort! — SpikeToronto 01:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think Sinebot just doesn't sign comments by older contributors, probably because we should know to sign them in the first place. The Thing _{Vandalize me} 01:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I cannot imagine that that would be part of its algorithm. It wouldn’t seem to make much sense since even an experienced user can make a mistake. One would expect that it signs or doesn’t sign, period. But then, you may be right. I think I’ll leave a query on Slakr’s talk page. But, he seems to have been offline for the past two weeks … — SpikeToronto 02:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Heller

Original Query:

Hi 71.142.239.92! In the article, Joseph Heller, you keep removing the category, Category:Jewish atheists, from the category listing at the bottom of the page. When doing so, you should clearly explain in your edit summary why you consider it to have been incorrectly added to the article and why you are removing it. This will keep recent changes patrollers like me from reverting your edit. Also, if you think that removing it might generate controversy with other editors, you might want to start a discussion on the article’s talk page. You needn’t worry about me, though, as I shan’t revert your deletion again and will leave that determination to the regular editors of the article. Thanks and happy editing! — SpikeToronto 05:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Joseph Heller at User talk:71.142.239.92

Response:

There's no mention of him being an atheist in the article there's no mention of him being an atheist on the NNDB (which I'm pretty sure is run by atheists) and I suspect this was just another attempts by not nice atheists (yes there are nice atheists) to wroly claims someone as one of them. You've been nice so I thought I should explain myself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.239.92 (talk) 06:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I’m sure you’re correct. But, as I said above, I am not an editor of the Joseph Heller wikiarticle. My only concern, as a recent changes patroller, is that when you delete material from a wikiaritcle, you provide a clear statement explaining the deletion in the edit summary — which you have now done — or direct wikieditors to a discussion on the article’s talk page. — SpikeToronto 06:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Christianity in Ireland

Original Query:

Hi again 71.142.239.92. Further to your edit summary,^† yes, 10 minus 3 does equal 7. But, not when one is talking percentages. In that case, this is your calculation:

(10 – 3) ÷ 10 × 100 = 70%

Got it? So I am going to put it back to 70%. Okay? Thanks and happy editing! — SpikeToronto 06:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Christianity in Ireland at User_talk:71.142.239.92

^†http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Christianity_in_Ireland&action=historysubmit&diff=338904419&oldid=338902846

Response:

So I used a program http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10%25-3%25 I know it got the answer right but I'm not sure about the question. --71.142.239.92 (talk) 06:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Ha! That’s cute: answer versus question. You know what I suggest: Use a calculator or paper and pencil! I love online programmes for specialized things like bond spreads, etc., but for something simple like this you can’t beat an old-fashioned calculator or … eek! … something from the dark ages like paper and pencil.

By the way, I would not mind helping you with stuff on Wikipedia from time to time, if you want, but it would be easier if you created an account. The reason is that tomorrow when you point your browser to Wikipedia, your Internet Service Provider is liable to have assigned you a totally different IP address. Therefore, I will not know that I am interacting with the same person. When you register, you can still have anonymity since you do not have to use your real name and you do not have to provide any indentifying information. And, whereas a regular wikieditor can trace your IP address to, say, Folsom, California, they can not trace it when you use a logged-in account. (Only checkusers can do that and then only under certain circumstances like sock puppetting.) Therefore, creating a logged-in account gives you more anonymity and more privacy than editing by not logging in.

Thanks and I hope I have been some help to you! — SpikeToronto 06:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi again 71.142.239.92. I see that with this edit, you put it back to 3%. I cannot say this strongly enough: Give up the online program and just do it on paper or on a hand-held calculator. The result that that program is giving you is incorrect. Look again at this calculation

(10 – 3) ÷ 10 × 100 = 70%

and you will see that it is correct. Try it on paper or with a hand-held calculator!

Also, another editor has subequently changed the calculation to show that the decrease is 70% percent and not 7%. S/he has put it rather well by showing, in a combination of figures and words, that the decrease from 10% to 3% represents a drop of over two-thirds. Thanks 71.142.239.92! I hope this is cleared up now. Happy editing! — SpikeToronto 07:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

User:201.9.217.31

Original Query:

You and I both seem to have run across the odd edits of User:201.9.217.31 and his less than useful edit summaries. I reverted his edits^† at Friedrich Olbricht with the following description: “Significant content change w/out explanation. Pls use edit summaries.”  I didn’t think it was exactly vandalism since the edit was so subtle and not blatant. Nonetheless I templated him with {{uw-unsourced2}} since he failed to provide a source supporting the changes. I also placed a {{Welcome-anon}} message on his anonymous talk page hoping he might read what it offers and become a useful contributor. Then I reviewed all of his edits over the past two days and noticed several other less bone fide edits and templated him accordingly for some of them. I left him at a Level 3 warning.

Since you seem to edit virtually all of the articles that he was “editing”, you will most likely see if he returns to this pattern of editing before I would. If he persists, perhaps you might report him to WP:AIV to get him blocked, perhaps even a block requiring that he create an account. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 06:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

— from User:201.9.217.31 at User talk:Paul Barlow

^†http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Friedrich_Olbricht&action=historysubmit&diff=339259150&oldid=336693713

Response:

Hi, I don't edit the same pages as User:201.9.217.31. I came across his edit on one page and then checked his other contributions, because I wasn't sure whether to accept the edit or revert. I hoped that he might have explained the reason for the change on another page. The fact that it was in Portugese was odd, but could easily be corrected. Obviously all his edits are essentially the same - he changes the birth and death dates of Nazis. It may be that his edits are correct, perhaps derived from some Portugese reference book on Nazi officials. I can well believe that we may have got some birth or death dates of the less famous figures wrong. But it seemed a bit too odd that all these dates should wrong, so reverting and then asking for his source seemed the best solution. I came a across another editor a while back who used the same type of edit summary - apparently stray single or double letters (User:129.89.134.xx). I don't know if it can be the same person. Paul B (talk) 13:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

First off, I must admit I drew the wrong inference from seeing your reverts. I thought that you were correcting his edits to pages that you had watchlisted. Secondly, I can see why you didn’t report him to AIV because his edits have a veneer of being genuine, good faith edits. There’s a part of me that thinks, had I run across them at the time myself, I might have tried my luck at AIV. But, then there’s my ego: I’ve never had a block request rejected by AIV and don’t want to start now! <grin> (I don’t have such good luck at WP:RFPP where I’ve never had a request granted!) Also, his IP traces to Brazil, hence the Portuguese. You will notice that on his anonymous talk page I left a note about being required to edit in English on the English Wikipedia. (Your other editor, User:129.89.134.xx, would, I think, be in Wisconsin (USA).) Let’s hope that our Brazilian friend, if he comes back with the same IP address, reads the stuff on his talk page and turns himself into a productive editor. Otherwise, we can trying templating him with something like {{Uw-longterm}} and then going to AIV. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 21:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Editing Talk Page Comments

Original Query:

Hi Muggins! I hope all’s well. I noticed that with this edit,^† you edited your comments to Talk:Richard I of England. As a general rule, it is not considered good form to edit your comments. (See WP:REDACT.) This is especially the case if other wikieditors have responded to you since it may make their comments no longer correlate to yours, or if they have quoted you elsewhere in any diffs.

I understand the urge to want to go back and change something. It takes me forever to write even the briefest of memoranda because I am always editing, never satisfied with my work. But, here at Wikipedia, we have to resist that urge once we have saved our talk page comments.

The preferred method, if you want to redact out some part of an earlier comment, is to use superstrike, which is done by using <s></s>. Done thusly, your passage should have looked like this after redaction:

I also think it can be a subtle form of bullying, and even not unlike what a vandal does when he invades the space of well-meaning editors and demands attention.

This tells all wikireaders that while you once said those things, you have since changed your mind. I hope you find this helpful. Happy editing! — SpikeToronto 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Editing Talk Page Comments at User talk:Mugginsx

^†http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARichard_I_of_England&action=historysubmit&diff=339518351&oldid=339137156

Response:

Thank you again for the information. You're right, of course, I regretted those particular few words and, upon reflection, they were too strong and perhaps it was an unfair thing to say. I guess I hoped he would never see those particular few words i deleted. At any rate he has never responded. Hope you are having a great weekendMugginsx (talk) 23:09, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

In this particular case, I think that no harm was done. And, now you know that the same effect can be had with strikeout. Also, that particular editor began that thread almost 2½ years ago and has not edited that wikiarticle in almost a year. So, chances are he never read your comment.

Redacting can, however, give rise to serious concerns when one edits one’s comments in a heated debate on a talk page, especially if those comments have been quoted as diffs elsewhere on Wikipedia (e.g., ANI). Thanks again and sorry to be such a scold. :) — SpikeToronto 01:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Point taken. I consider myself duly admonished. Mugginsx (talk) 09:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

It was never my intention to admonish you! I was just trying to be helpful. — SpikeToronto 09:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I tend sometimes to be impulsive, it does not serve me well. You pointed out a very important procedure to me. I respect that and harbor no hard feelings. Mugginsx (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

January/February 2010

Pic of the day

Pic of the day

Incidentally, I love the picture of the NGC 5866, known as the Spindle Galaxy on your user page. Do you subscribe to the Space.com online newsletter? I do and I think it's a great way to keep up with the latest news. Mugginsx (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC) Actually, that picture was only on my user page for 24 hours. I have the template {{Pic of the day}} imbedded in the coding for my user page. That template places a different picture on my user page every 24 hours when the picture of the day is changed. I did find the spindle/spiral galaxy photo very interesting because I know so little about astronomy. I often find that the picture of the day sends me off to read wikiarticles on whatever topic is associated with the photograph. That’s why I have it on my user page. Catch you later Muggins! — SpikeToronto 01:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC) P.S. I can add {{Pic of the day}} to your user page if you’d like. Let me know! — SpikeToronto 01:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC) How absolutely wonderful of you! I would love it! Thank you so much SpikeToronto! Mugginsx (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)Mugginsx (talk) 16:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)  Done  With this edit. — SpikeToronto 19:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC) What a great way to utilize your user page~ Thank you for your offer! If I did take you up on your very kind offer I would want them all to be astrological pictures! What would it entail to do this? Right now I am typing with one hand since rotator cuff surgery and in some pain so I will make this short message. Have a wonderful day! Mugginsx (talk) 07:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC) Hi Muggins. The template {{Pic of the day}}, which relates to WP:Picture of the day (aka, WP:POTD), generates virtually a random image culled from Wikipedia’s thousands of high-quality images. I say virtually random because wikieditors manually set the rotation about a month in advance. Also, as far as I know, there is no picture generating template that rotates through a variety of only astronomical images. However, the expert on all of this is Administrator Howard Cheng. You might want to ask him if there is such a template for astronomical images. If not, you might want to consider creating one yourself. An additional template such as that might be a positive contribution to the Wikipedia community. I am sure that he, time permitting, would be able to suggest how you would go about it. Good luck! — SpikeToronto 01:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Thank you my friend. Still in alot of pain. Will respond in a few days. Hope you never have to have rotator cuff surgery. Very painful recovery. Thanks again. Mugginsx (talk) 10:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC) I can only imagine. During the many years I spent doing this I often suffered rotator cuff injuries and they were painful enough. So, I can only imagine how much post-operative recovery must hurt. I hope you have a speedy recovery. See you around the Richard I arena! — SpikeToronto 20:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC) How did you stand the pain?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugginsx (talk) 22:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Incidentally, if there is ever a contest for best users' page, please let me know so I will be sure to vote for yours! Also, on a different subject, you probably already know this, but in case you do not, the Internet Archives site offers many out-of-copyright materials on Richard I and many other subjects. There are even medieval chronicles, some translated, some not. [2]. Mugginsx (talk) 18:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC) I have used the Internet Archive for the WayBackMachine, but I did not know that they also had an archive of texts. Thanks for that information! I’ll take a look for some other wikiarticles I am working on and see if there is anything that might prove useful. Thanks again! — SpikeToronto 22:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC) You have taught me some things that are very important, and I notice you are always polite, which I appreciate. I am glad if you finds some things of interests at the "all media" search engine. I know I browsed through some texts of Richard I, but, at the time, as I said, I was interested in other projects. I just remember putting in all kinds of combinations, i.e. Richard I, Richard Lion Hearted, and some other things I don't now remember. I am sure you will find all kinds of interesting texts, if not on Richard I but many other persons as well. Probably will do much better than me. I was, by trade, a legal researcher so that doesn't necessarily equipt me, nevertheless, the training has served me well on many occasions. Mugginsx (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC) I’ll let you know how I make out over there. I am working on an article about an English bakery/eatery that was founded in the mid-Victorian era, peaked from the Edwardian to the interwar years, was taken over by a Canadian behemoth in the very early years of Elizabeth II, and finally went out of business in the 1980s. I want to see if I can find any more book-based sources. I already have a lot, and loads of 19th Century newspapers, but I want to have a nose around for some more book-based sources that might better help in an FAR. Thanks again! — SpikeToronto 02:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Sounds like quite a challenging article. Sometimes small organizations hold gems of information. I call it "micro-cosmic research. Example: a historic and preservation oranization in the area. Perhaps ethnic societies like, for example, The Polish society, or some other ethnic group who might have an organization or meeting place with old records and are located near this establishment? U.S has a Better Business Bureau on the local level, which contains complaints, as well as general letters, etc. Local Building Dept might lead you to some citizens or groups in the area who, at some time, proposed changes by personal letters, which might lead you to some person or persons who have some information? Working backwards and grabbing morsels of information as you walk. Most difficult. But, if anyone can do it, you probably can. If I see anything in my travels, I will, of course, let you know. Good Luck. Mugginsx (talk) 05:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the advice! — SpikeToronto 08:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Hello SpikeToronto: I am afraid I am a slow learner when it comes to certain procedures Wiki, but please know that I regard you as one of the kindest and most knowledgeable editors on Wiki. Once again, thank you for your most beautiful edition to my userpage and thank you also for your patience with my Wiki learning curve. I know my research but as to these sophisticated programs, not so much. If I can ever be of service to you with regard to research or nominating you for administrator (I think you would be a great one), please do not hesitate to call upon me. Mugginsx (talk) 11:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Tyw7 - RfA

Tyw7 - RfA

Twy7 has five times nominated himself to be an admin. That's what Coldplay Expert is referring to. Nothing to do with commenting on other users RfAs.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Well, I completely misunderstood that! If you could post your comment there, then I could do a mea culpa. — SpikeToronto 22:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)  Done  Taken care of with these edits. Thanks Elen. You always seem to catch my foot-in-mouth errors. That’s two so far … — SpikeToronto Nice... using a latin phrase I had to use google to find the meaning of. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 00:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC) You’re right. While they are both fairly common, I probably should have linked to Wiktionary like this: prima facie or mea culpa. But, since you had to go and look them up, I bet you’ll never forget ’em, eh?! :) I always have a collegiate dictionary close at hand to look up every little word that I am unsure of. I wear them out! Thanks! — SpikeToronto 02:21, 28 January 2010 (UTC) Hakuna Matata :) (can't think of the Latin for 'no worries'). Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC) I keep forgetting that outside of law school or a classics department, nobody uses Latin phrases! Also, Latin is very, very rarely taught in North American secondary schools anymore (it certainly wasn’t taught in mine! German, French, Italian, and Spanish, but no Latin or Greek), so the other speaker in this string has most likely never encountered it. — SpikeToronto 22:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC) I did a Latin 'O' level. Failed it, mind, but I spent two years studying the subject :) Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC) Two years of classroom instruction, certainly beats me! Other than the odd Latin word learned as part of learning the etymology of Spanish or French words while studying those two languages, the only Latin I ever learned directly was in law school. And a lot of supposedly Latin legal phrases are really ancient Norman French phrases brought to England with old Billy Boy and his friends in 1066! Anyway, we use a lot less Latin/AngloFrench in Canadian jurisprudence than in either the U.K. or the U.S., so you can imagine how little of it I ever learned. Which is not to say that prima facie and mea culpa are the full extent of it. After all, I did learn ceteris paribus doing an economics undergrad! :) My spousal unit did the equivalent of an O-level in Latin at his secondary, but remembers about as much of that as he does two (French and Spanish) of the three languages (French, Spanish, and Cantonese) he learned, which is little to nothing. :) — SpikeToronto 23:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC) An early job was with the General Rate department in our local Council. We used to prosecute non payers through the magistrates court first for a warrant of distress, and then eventually for committal to prison. When the bailiffs executed a warrant against a non-payer who had no goods worth seizing, they used to mark the returned warrant with NBG, which everyone thought stood for "No Bloody Good", not Null Bono Goods. Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC) You are splitting my sides! You would be amazed at how little Latin is used in the Canadian legal system. Even our civil litigation filings (i.e., statements of claim) are super simple in that they do not require that precise heads of damage be used in tort cases. So, if the incorrect one is used (such as replevin instead of some near cousin), the case still proceeds with minor amendments. The Canadian system is concerned more with the substance of cases than the form. Hence the lack of Latin in our system and thus in one’s Canadian legal education. We have a greatly simplified system, especially as compared to the oft’ times arcane and archaic U.S. system. I loved your story! — SpikeToronto 02:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Talkbacks

Lots:

• Template talk:Citation needed#Merge from Template:Reference necessary
• Template talk:Reference necessary#Overhaul
• User talk:SMcCandlish#Template:Reference necessary

— SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 15:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Username User:Woodsy dong peep

Original Query:

Woodsy dong peep (talk · contribs)

Hi Daniel. Before taking this up with the user, I wanted to get your opinion on whether this is even a username of concern. As you can see, User:Woodsy dong peep has the word dong as part of his username. In recent years, dong has come to be used primarily as a synonym for the word penis. See the entry at Merriam-Webster’s here.^†

Before taking up the matter with the user, as required by WP:BADNAME, I wanted to first see if there was even an issue. If there is no username concern, perhaps because WP:NOTCENSORED <smile>, then I can avoid taking it up with him, especially given that his responses to other wikieditors on other matters can be a bit odd, to say the least. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 07:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

— from Username User:Woodsy dong peep at User talk:Daniel Case

^†http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dong

Response:

At this point he's edited for long enough now, and the name could have other meanings, that I think it would best to tell him about this and ask if he wants a username RFC. Daniel Case (talk) 07:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

So, I think your answer to my question is that it’s not really an issue … ? That’s why I came to you first for an opinion rather than raise the (non)issue with the editor. I didn’t want to get his hackles up if it wasn’t necessary. Thanks Daniel! — SpikeToronto 00:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010

Yongle the Great

I really appreciate your offer of help. If I'm not around, user:EyeSerene will help with blocks, he did the original indefinite block. Can I let you know when I might need your help? Dougweller (talk) 15:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Doug! Just leave a note here directing me to the sock puppet username and I’ll go through the contribs. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 18:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but what I'll do is leave you some of the articles he hits to put on your watch list. I've protected quite a few but have left some so I can spot him! Dougweller (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Ludwig

I guess my IP address changed, but let's continue this.

Beach House Restaurant

Original Query:

I reverted the edit^† that added information regarding the Beach House Restaurant in West Vancouver. While this would be an interesting addition, Wikipedia policies require a verifiable, reliable source. A private source, to which only the wikieditor adding the information is privy, does not satisfy WP:V. Moreover, because this is a biography of a living person, statements must — in addition to WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:CITE — also satisfy WP:BLPCITE and WP:BLP. The statement about the restaurant, unaccompanied by a verifiable reference/citation, does not satisfy these policies. Finally, ownership of businesses and properties are matters of public records. Thus, private records do not have to be relied on in the first place, especially as they would not satisfy the policies mentioned earlier. — SpikeToronto 22:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

— from Beach House Restaurant at Talk:Alexander Ludwig

^† http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Ludwig&action=historysubmit&diff=341219450&oldid=341218627

Response:

Duly noted. I did find a much easier and more public way of displaying the property he owns and since it's not a private residence I will release it[3]. The restaurant is only 5 km from their main home, so it makes sense it's his property if listed as such.70.245.127.74 (talk) 06:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi IP. Thank you for responding. However, since this is a matter of general interest to the other editors of the Alexander Ludwig wikiarticle, the discussion should only be on that article’s talk page, which is where I originally posted it.

I notice that your comment here is essentially a cut-and-paste of your comment there. I understand that you wanted to be sure that I saw it, but since it is more appropriate that the entire discussion thread be there on the talk page, you did not need to do that. Instead, you could have placed the {{Talkback}} template here on my user talk page to let me know that you had responded there. In this instance, that template would be placed here, at the bottom of my talk page, and formatted like this:

{{Talkback|Talk:Alexander Ludwig|Beach House Restaurant|~~~~~}}

Formatting thusly would produce a talkback notice that looks like this:

Hello, SpikeToronto. You have new messages at Talk:Alexander Ludwig.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

In any event, I will follow up with you on this matter there, at the article’s talk page. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 05:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Ludwig’s Parents

Original Query:

I reverted some edits^† that added some information about Alexander Ludwig’s parents. They were great additions. Unfortunately, they fail several Wikipedia policies. Because the wikiarticle Alexander Ludwig is a biography of a living person, it must satisfy all of the following policies and guidelines: WP:BLPCITE, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS.

There was no citation provided that indicated the mother’s maiden name, an addition which would certainly add depth to the wikiarticle. Unfortunately, without a verifiable and reliable citation, it cannot be added.

The citation regarding Harald Ludwig does not indicate that he is the same Harald Ludwig that is the father of the wikiarticle’s subject, Alexander Ludwig. Thus the statement and the accompanying citation fail each of WP:BLPCITE, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS. Also, in a small Google search, I could find no source that connected the Harald Ludwig that is a principal of Macluan and Lions Gate Entertainment and our wikiarticle’s suject, Alexander Ludwig. This is unfortunate because having a father who sits on the board of directors and is co-chairman of a large enterprise within the entertainment industry would certainly be an important piece of info on an article about an actor. — SpikeToronto 22:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

— from Alexander Ludwig’s Parents at Talk:Alexander Ludwig

^†http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Ludwig&action=historysubmit&diff=341218351&oldid=341051963

Response:

If you were to research long enough, you would see that on IMDB it lists the actress Sharlene Martin as his mother. The private school he attends in West Vancouver, Collingwood, has his parents' names on the lists of Gold $100,000-$250,000 donors. There is also photographic proof of him with a younger sibling on page 23. I obviously do not provide links to their addresses in respect to their Ludwig family's privacy and Wikipedia guidelines. There are articles about Harald Ludwig being his father that can easily be researched. Considering that he lives in West Vancouver like Harald Ludwig, it should be a bit understandable that is his father. Sharlene S. Martin is listed as his mother as well, because that is her maiden and she fits the profile on both ends. Being from Vancouver, married to Harald H. Ludwig since 1991, owner of the same home in W. Vancouver, and most importantly, a former actress. Sharlene Martin & Sharlene Ludwig own the same property at an address in Whistler, BC as businessman Harald H. Ludwig. That is enough proof as interviews mention Alexander vacationing in Whistler often and his mother being a former actress. Her maiden name in legal listings is Martin. Here is photographic proof of Macluan chairman Harald H. Ludwig with actor Alexander[4]. Here is the Macluan chairman by himself under an elaborate business profile[5]. I hope that helps. I found it tricky to connect the relationship of the 3 people. All three are spoken about in many isolated articles, but a lot of journalists do not connect their relationship as a family or make mention of it. I felt it would be important to connect the actor to his established parents.70.245.127.74 (talk) 07:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi IP. Thank you for responding. However, since this is a matter of general interest to the other editors of the Alexander Ludwig wikiarticle, the discussion should only be on that article’s talk page, which is where I originally posted it.

I notice that your comment here is essentially a cut-and-paste of your comment there. I understand that you wanted to be sure that I saw it, but since it is more appropriate that the entire discussion thread be there on the talk page, you did not need to do that. Instead, you could have placed the {{Talkback}} template here on my user talk page to let me know that you had responded there. In this instance, that template would be placed here, at the bottom of my talk page, and formatted like this:

{{Talkback|Talk:Alexander Ludwig|Alexander Ludwig's Parents|~~~~~}}

Formatting thusly would produce a talkback notice that looks like this:

Hello, SpikeToronto. You have new messages at Talk:Alexander Ludwig.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

In any event, I will follow up with you on this matter there, at the article’s talk page. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 05:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Dynamic Assignment of IP Addresses (DHCP)

Thank you for welcoming me on my other page. Unfortunately I used IE8 to edit last time and now that I'm using Firefox, I wonder why my IP address went from 75. to 70.70.245.127.74 (talk) 07:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi IP. If you want someone to be able to recognise you, a good bet is to register an account. You don't have to hand over any personal details (although it might be useful to add an email address in case you forget your password), it makes it easier to track your contributions, and as an added bonus it hides your IP. Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi IP. Your Internet Service Provider (ISP) dynamically assigns IP addresses using a protocol called dynamic host configuration. This means that possibly every time you boot your modem, you could have a different IP address. This is why Elen of the Roads recommended above that you create an account here at Wikipedia and become a logged-in editor. With you so frequently having a different IP address, other wikieditors like myself cannot be sure that they are even talking to the same person from day to day. Moreover, we cannot leave you any messages because, unless you have a static IP address, you have no user talk page that you can call your own: the IP address you had yesterday, and the talk page that went with it, now belong to someone else. Thus, I will not know that I am interacting with the same person.

When you register, you can still have anonymity since you do not have to use your real name and you do not have to provide any indentifying information. (Although, as Elen mentioned, it is wise to provide an e-mail address so that your password can be reset if you should forget it. Don’t worry: That e-mail address would not be visible to other wikieditors.) And, whereas any regular wikieditor can trace your IP address to, say, El Paso, Texas, they can not trace it when you use a logged-in account. (Only checkusers can do that and then only under certain circumstances like sock puppetting.) Therefore, creating a logged-in account gives you more anonymity and more privacy than editing by not logging in.

To reiterate, users who edit with highly dynamic IP addresses will find it very difficult to communicate with other wikieditors without a logged-in account. You should create one. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 05:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

P.S. When you create an account you can use practically any name you want. You can call yourself JohnDoe5678 if you want. — SpikeToronto 05:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

P.P.S. When you create an account you can use watchlists to know when articles that you work on, or that just interest you, are changed. — SpikeToronto 08:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's scary. I'm only visiting El Paso and didn't realize my location would show. Thanks! I'll sign up then.70.245.127.74 (talk) 01:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Let me know what your new username is once you’ve created your account. I have a Google News search on Ludwig that would go better if you and I divided the task between us. If you’re interested. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 02:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

User deletes addition to his talk page

Hi Spike, i thought i ask you for help with this.The user Tony_Sidaway or also known as Tasty_monster deletes user page entrys. Beside i already advised him not todo it. http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony_Sidaway&action=history What should i do now? The addition is importend as he reverted notes about a revert there. Can not tell about other entrys. Thanks for any help. --DuKu (talk) 11:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Duku. You're probably new to Wikipedia so it needs to be explained to you. I have read you comment and I deleted it. I don't intend to reply to it. Users are permitted to manage their own talk pages like this. --Tasty monster 11:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

... --DuKu (talk) 12:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hi DuKu. I will answer you in two parts:

• Short Answer: User:Tony Sidaway/User:Tasty monster can do whatever he wants with comments placed on his own talk page.

• Long Answer: Believe it or not, Wikipedia rules permit editors to delete comments — including warnings — from their own talk pages. See WP:TALK where it says,

  Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred. They may also remove some content in archiving. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. This specifically includes both registered and anonymous users. [Italics in original.]

  Thus, as you can see from this quote, User:Tony Sidaway/User:Tasty monster is free to remove any comments he chooses from his talk page(s). Note that this even applies to anonymous, IP-only editors: They too are permitted to remove anything they want from their talk pages.

  The only exception are block notices. These cannot be removed from talk pages until the block has either expired or been removed as part of an unblock process.

  As regards personal attacks on talk pages, WP:RPA reads as follows

  There is no official policy regarding when or whether most personal attacks should be removed, although it has been a topic of substantial debate. Removing unquestionable personal attacks from your own user talk page is rarely a matter of concern. On other talk pages, especially where such text is directed against you, removal should typically be limited to clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack.

  Nevertheless, unusual circumstances do exist. The most serious types of personal attacks, such as efforts to reveal nonpublic personal information about Wikipedia editors, go beyond the level of mere invective, and so can and should be excised for the benefit of the community and the project even if they are directed at you. In certain cases involving sensitive information, a request for oversight may also be appropriate.

  How to deal with material on a user’s talk page is up to each individual user. I personally only remove vandalism (and then, not always; sometimes I respond to it), malicious edits, and incorrectly applied warnings. I prefer to keep a full record of all my interactions, warts and all, and archive them. But then, my talk page is not as busy as some. — SpikeToronto 20:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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P.S. Just a little tip for you DuKu, as regards the deleted comments, a good rule of thumb is to assume that an editor who has been on Wikipedia for over five years, and who has amassed just under 72,000 edits, probably knows the rules and has most likely not broken them. I always find that when you want to leave a warning note on such an editor’s page, it is best to proceed with equal amounts of tact, caution, and humility. And, make sure you are 100% correct about that of which you are about to “accuse” them.

Finally, since you are so new to Wikipedia, why not spend more time more time being a Gnome before progressing to heavier involvement with the project. Just a tip … . — SpikeToronto 20:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

February/March 2010

Your VOTE 2 vote at CDA

Hi SpikeToronto,

you are receiving this message as you voted in VOTE 2 at the recent Community de-Adminship 'Proposal Finalization' Poll. Unfortunately, there is a hitch regarding the "none" vote that can theoretically affect all votes.

Detailed explanation of VOTE 2 confusion …

1) Background of VOTE 2: In a working example of CDA; ater the 'discussion and polling phase' is over, if the "rule of thumb" baseline percentage for Support votes has been reached, the bureaucrats can start to decide whether to desysop an admin, based in part on the evidence of the prior debate. This 'baseline' has now been slightly-adjusted to 65% (from 70%) per VOTE 1. VOTE 2 was asking if there is a ballpark area where the community consensus is so strong, that the bureaucrats should consider desysopping 'automatically'. This 'threshold' was set at 80%, and could change pending agreement on the VOTE 2 results. This was VOTE 2; Do you prefer a 'desysop threshold' of 80% or 90%, or having none at all? As a "rule of thumb", the Bureaucrats will automatically de-sysop the Administrator standing under CDA if the percentage reaches this 'threshold'. Currently it is 80% (per proposal 5.4). Please vote "80" or "90", or "None", giving a second preference if you have one. This is the VOTE 2 question without any ambiguity; Do you prefer a "rule of thumb" 'auto-desysop' percentage of 80%, 90%, or "none"? Where "none" means that there is no need for a point where the bureaucrats can automatically desysop. Please vote "80" or "90", or "None", giving a second preference if you have one. 2) What was wrong with VOTE 2? Since the poll, it has been suggested that ambiguity in the term "none at all" could have affected some of the votes. Consequently there has been no consensus over what percentage to settle on, or how to create a new compromise percentage. The poll results are summarised here. 3) How to help: Directly below this querying message, please can you; Clarify what you meant if you voted "none". In cases where the question was genuinely misunderstood, change your initial vote if you wish to (please explain the ambiguity, and don't forget to leave a second choice if you have one). Please do nothing if you interpreted the question correctly (or just confirm this if you wish), as this query cannot be a new vote. I realise that many of you clarified your meaning after your initial vote, but the only realistic way to move forward is to be as inclusive as possible in this vote query. Sorry for the inconvenience,

Matt Lewis (talk) 14:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

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Matt, before dealing with this I need to ask: Am I too late to the party? That is, since this was posted almost three weeks ago, and I am only now here, able to deal with it, am I too late? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 18:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid so. In the end I decided CDA cannot work, for reasons I've given in a few places (my talk, the draft page, and my oppose vote at the Wikipedia_talk:Community_de-adminship/RfC). I think we need to focus at the centre of the problems: fixed admin terms, and Admin Review processes. 80% was kept as the threshold figure (rather than the more sensible 85% mean average), as I didn't get round to arguing the case from the compiled data I had. Ambiguity in VOTE2 and the results could always be argued alas, though it was never a fair criticism. Have you voted at the RfC yet? I welcome all positive votes (whatever column they are in), as I think they together represent a step towards inevitable change. There has been a lot of good discussion on alternatives to CDA, and the key is to keep the momentum up. Matt Lewis (talk) 18:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Matt. Thanks for the update! Personally, I am a strong supporter of CDA.

I also support the idea of removing the sysop bit from admins who no longer perform admin functions. I say this because when one considers the number of people who aquired an admin bit years ago, yet no longer perform such functions, the total number of admins on the English Wikipedia is, effectively, overstated. Thus, the total number of active admins is significantly lower than would appear merely by looking at the grand total of accounts that have a sysop bit. Consequently, I think we need more admins here, but it has become so difficult for candidates to pass an RfA. Perhaps if the “true” ratio of active admins to active accounts could be ascertained, the need for more admins would become more readily apparent.

Finally, thanks for the heads-up regarding the RfC. I have voted. — SpikeToronto 19:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Ethnicity of Kris Jenner

Hi SpikeToronto, you added a reference to Scottish and Dutch ancestry on the entry for Kris Jenner [6]. Can you provide a reference to confirm that fact? Thanks. — Padraic 15:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Padraic. Sorry for the delay. Lately my life has been living up to the notice at the top of my talk page … In any event, as regards Kris Jenner, when one looks at the August 4, 2009, edit provided, I was not adding the statement about Mrs. Jenner’s ethnicity: I was merely cutting and pasting (i.e., relocating) it from another part of the article, and therefore would not have had a verifiable reference/citation at hand. At the time, since I was adding the {{Unreferenced}} tag to the top of the article, I did not think that additionally flagging that particular statement with a {{Fact}} tag was necessary. Some editors consider doing so redundant. But I do agree with you that it requires a verfiable reference/citation. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 17:45, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry about that! I will find the editor who added it originally and follow up. Thanks. — Padraic 19:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

If correct, it is an interesting fact about Mrs. Jenner. But, you are 100% right that it requires a verifiable reference/citation. It is awfully dedicated of you to be willing to go back through all the diffs to find the wikieditor who originally added the information. Don’t be surprised, though, if it turns out to have been an IP-only editor with DHCP (i.e., his IP address changes regularly), who will never, therefore, see your enquiry. Good luck! — SpikeToronto 19:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for WP:BLPRFC

Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:

1. Proposal to Close This RfC
2. Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 03:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done  Thank you, Ikip/Okip for the notification. I have voted on both proposals. Notwithstanding that we appear to be on opposite sides on the issue (unless I’ve misinterpreted your position), your taking the time and effort to give me a heads-up on the closure debates is very much appreciated! Sorry it took me so long to get back to Wikipedia. — SpikeToronto 18:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Spike, Re: {{Pic of the day}}

Just wanted to tell you that my day is so much brighter as each morning that I open up Wiki and find a beautiful picture with interesting and educational information with it. You cannot know what a pleasure it is for me! Hope you are well my friend! Mugginsx (talk) 23:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I’m glad I could help and hope you too are well. :) — SpikeToronto 18:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

Richard I Sexuality: Article

Resolved

 – Editor has added well-formatted footnotes.

Spike, thank you for your comment on my addition to the article on Richard I of England. The material I added is taken from the book that I cite by Jean Flori. He has many references to primary sources, but I thought that in Wikipedia we should restrict ourselves to secondary sources. So I'm not sure what additional references you would like to see.--Gautier lebon (talk) 13:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Gautier! The Flori book is already cited elsewhere in the article. If you can provide me with page numbers for each of the statements in your paragraph, I will redo the footnotes akin to the following <ref name="Flori 34-35">{{harvnb|Flori|1999|pp=34–35.}} where, in this example, the page numbers were 34 and 35. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 23:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for having missed that Flori was already referenced. In the meantime, I looked at Flori's footnotes, and found that he cites several secondary sources. So I will add those, and I will also do the footnotes by page number as you suggest above. Thanks and best--Gautier lebon (talk) 09:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Let me know if you need any help! — SpikeToronto 16:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I just had a look and you do not need any help. What a fabulous job you did! Thanks!! — SpikeToronto 16:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

P.S. You said above: “I looked at Flori's footnotes, and found that he cites several secondary sources. So I will add those…” If any of the secondary sources you added are taken directly from Flori, and you have not looked at them yourself, then you need to add to your wikiarticle footnotes, “as cited in…” and additionally give wherein Flori the secondary source(s) was/were cited. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 16:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Spike, thank you for the compliment and the tip regarding how to cite the additional secondary sources. I will take care of that.--Gautier lebon (talk) 09:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Richard I Sexuality: Discussion

Resolved

 – Discussion taking place on article talk page.

Spike, I've started a discussion on the above (how much should there should be on Richard's sexuality etc) and your input would be welcome. Nev1 (talk) 13:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Nev1! I’ll take a look. — SpikeToronto 16:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

To Cite or Not to Cite?

Resolved

 – As at 2010-03-30, inquiring editor not active since query.

Hey Spike, what kind of statements DON'T need to be cited? LaRouxEMP (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Really, the quickest way to answer your question is to read the Holy WikiTrinity: WP:V, WP:CITE, and WP:RS. I am hard-pressed to think of anything that one might want to include in an article that would not require substantiation by a verifiable reference/citation. (As for how to format citations, look at WP:REFBEGIN.) Note the following “nutshells”:

• WP:V: Any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. This applies to all articles, lists, and sections of articles, without exception.
• WP:CITE: This guideline discusses how to format and present citations. The policy on sourcing is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations.
• WP:RS: This guideline discusses how to identify reliable sources. The policy on sourcing is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations.

So, the pithy, short answer is: Any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. This applies to all articles, lists, and sections of articles, without exception.

Verifiability is the Holy Grail at Wikipedia and the most important policy. Just read the stuff in your welcome message and follow the links and you will learn all of this. — SpikeToronto 00:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I don’t mind helping you anytime you want. And, I promise to not always be so long-winded! — SpikeToronto 00:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: your assessments

Re: DIFFS Analysis

Resolved  – Editor misunderstood intentions. Spike, I am no longer certain why you are taking so much time to analyze my lack of editing skills. I realize they are still very poor. You have pointed out just how poor they are in excruciating detail. I have your comments off my talk page which, I am told, is acceptable, and put them on a personal word document to re-read and try to do better. In my defense, I am still recuperating from rotator cuff surgery and in a lot of pain. I am also on a lot of pain medication, though less each week, and enduring painful physical therapy. I also have use of only one hand to type and edit. Admittedly, this is only a small part of the reason; the larger being that I have never taken a course in computer editing of any kind and have also not paid enough attention to the wiki pages available that would improve my editing skills. I will try to do better. I hope this is enough of a mea culpa because, at the moment, it is all I am able to give. Mugginsx (talk) 10:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC) This also applies to formatting. The history is what people generally read, not the formatting and editing. On that I have a good record. Mugginsx (talk) 06:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC) You are over-reacting. My comments on March 14, related specifically to how difficult it was to review diffs to article talk pages you were editing — article talk pages on which I also participate, otherwise I would not care — because you were using the Edit this Page tab at the top of each page instead of the Edit button provided for each individual section. Regular editors of Wikipedia almost always use the diffs to review the edit history of pages that they keep on their watchlists. Such review is not specific to the edits of User:Mugginsx. This was not edit review specific to you: It was standard diff review of the history to a page that most of us all perform. Also, you indicated in your response that, theretofore, you had been unaware that the Edit button provided for each section could be used to edit the text of individual sections, understandably thinking that it was only for changing the heading. (Aside: WP:HEADING recommends against changing heading text once established. So, it would not be the intention of wikiprogammers to provide a button the sole purpose of which is to make changing headings easier.) Thus, the inference any objective person would have drawn from the dialogue at that time was that you found the information regarding the two edit buttons valuable. Hence why it had been provided. I do not spend one iota of time reviewing the edit history of User:Mugginsx since, in and of themselves, your edits do not interest me. I review the edit history of pages I have on my watchlist, some of which you happen to edit. But, when the edits of User:Mugginsx — on specific pages I have watchlisted — make it difficult for standard, quotidian diffs review, and I can provide some assistance to you that benefits the rest of us, I think it appropriate to do so. It would not have mattered whether the edits had been made by User:Mugginsx or User:Anyuser: I would have left the same message on User:Anyuser’s talk page. Why? Because, edits made using the Edit this Page tab make it more difficult for one to routinely read through the diffs. It was that simple. No ulterior motive, no lurking, no stalking, no trolling. My comments on March 19, were in direct response to yours. I thought it rude to have left your post unanswered for so many days. In your comments, to which I was responding, you stated that you thought you were using edit summaries to a certain degree. My response was intended to show you that you do not have to think about it: There is a tool that can inform you precisely, that can do the thinking for you. I provided you a link to that tool. As further assistance, I outlined the information that that tool provided since I knew that this would be the first time that you would ever have used the tool or seen a presentation of its results. In future, should we ever be editing the same page and your attention needs to be drawn to any Wikipedia policy, guideline, and/or custom, I will track down an Administrator to pass along the information to you. Thank you for reminding me of the adage that no good deed goes unpunished. I often forget the wise aphorisms by which we should all order our lives. — SpikeToronto 17:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC) Did you notice I just used the edit in this paragraph? And you think I don't not read your advice? I'm not making fun, quite the contrary. I had not really realize that we were on the same articles except for Rich 1 and that was a very brief time, but I cannot say for sure, because I do not always check the discussion pages. If I overreacted, I apologize. You have been a good friend to me. I did not see your comment on for days after you posted it because I do not go to my talk page everyday. In fact, I have not been feeling well and I am still in a lot of pain and cranky! Again, I truly apologize. We have always gotten on well in the past and I hope we can continue so in the future. Mugginsx (talk) 19:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC) Spike, I also do not think you are a troll, or any of othe other things you mentioned. It would never cross my mind as we have always had, previous to this, friendly discussions, not to mention the beautiful pic of the day template you put on my page for me. Ok, that was not my fault. It stated on top that I was still logged in, though I thought that I logged out. Mugginsx (talk) 20:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC) Fair enough. May I close out this conversation? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 00:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC) P.S. Excruciating headache today. Not even 222s (i.e., AC&C) are abating it. <grr> If I have misunderstood your initial posts here, let us chalk it up to that. — SpikeToronto 00:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

Resolved

 – Editor has elected to continue to not use any edit summaries

Original Query: The original query to which this discussion refers was made with these edits. — SpikeToronto

Response:

Thanks for friendly advice. I will add edit summaries but it takes time to change habits. In William III of England, I added the link from non-trinitarians to non-trinitarians as it it is better link. I was watching PBS show on British history last night. Thanks again. AlphaGamma1991 (talk) 17:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Alpha. I was able to figure out what the edit was by comparing the diffs. But, there is no surer way to communicate what an editor’s intentions are than by using edit summaries. If you want to check out how you’re doing, there is a tool that can calculate this for you. That tool is called the Edit Summary calculator and is located here. Your report, indicates that you are using edit summaries only 34% of the time. In your case, most of those are edit summaries automatically generated by the system such as when you used the undo function or created a new page. The 100% for minor edits is an oddity that the system generates in some of its reports from time to time. This occurs where an editor’s edit history has little or no minor edits.

In any event, good luck with training yourself to use edit summaries! It is an invaluable tool for communicating with other editors. It can save a lot of reverts and save a lot discussion on talk pages. Most importantly, it removes a source of great frustration with other editors. Remember, using detailed edit summaries is the best way to ensure that your good faith edits are not reverted by recent changes patrollers or other wikieditors.

If I can help you with this or any other Wikipedia matter, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks and happy editing! — SpikeToronto 18:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

AfD nomination of Da Da Da (Lil Wayne song)

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May 2010

Spike

Hey Spike. Where are you? Hope everything is fine. Mugginsx (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)