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Well, your further query has been answered!
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 19:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Renaming
editExcuse me; but I said to redirect to Fred Mackenzie (scientist). Have a look at WP:MIDDLES. Now: are the reliable sources using Fred Mackenzie or Fred T. Mackenzie? Then make the necessary changes.
Sorry if I am rude.
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 19:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if middle name is to be included or not, create a new page named Fred Mackenzie (scientist). And redirect it to Fred T. Mackenzie (scientist). So that people searching for any of the two can read the article
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 20:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
we are working behind your query
edit...But, since you are new here, I want to teach you how to ping.
If you want a particular user say Example to get notified about something you said/commented or anything like that. Just writing their name isn't enough. use this {{ping}}. It works like this {{ping|example}} and it will result in @Example:
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 20:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
About external links
editHi there! Sorry about the scare at the Teahouse and article, I was about to continue to explain to you but Real Life got in the way of editing. Anyway, I saw your article, and it is nice but you have a bit of a problem with all the links to other sites that are in your article. This should have been brought up by the editor who reviewed your article, not sure why that did not happened. I will explain to you what you need to do and also give you a few example by helping you out in the article. More to follow soon, just wanted to get this note to you first. Cheers! w.carter-Talk 20:15, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
- I see that you understood some of the things you need to take care of in the article.
Very nice! Now you have probably read that external links have no business in the body of the text except in very rare cases. External links should be used as references and they can only be used as such if they have something to do directly with the sentence mentioned in the article. Links to books when not used as sources for the article are viewed as promotional. If you have a list of books the ISBN number is quite sufficient as a "marker" for the book.
- Links like you have made for a number of journals and books in the "Fellowships, awards and honors" section should be to Wikipedia articles, if they exist, otherwise the external links should be removed. If the link is to a page where it is mentioned that the award is given to the subject of the article, then it should be used as a reference at the end of the sentence instead. I will go ahead and make some changes in the article if you like. You can answer here below, I am watching this page and will see your reply. Best, w.carter-Talk 20:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: Yes, I think I understand. I will continue to work on the edits this week and appreciate any that you have done or will do. Thank you so much!!!! If the fellowships or awards are listed on Mackenzie's webpage on the University of Hawaii site, should I link or reference that page or just take it out entirely? Littleiiwi (talk) 02:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- The link have no business in the text at any case. If you can find a list of the awards somewhere, then it should be used as a reference, otherwise get rid of it. If it can be used as reference in more than one place thesre is a trick: First time you don't write <ref>Text text text</ref> instead you "name" it like this <ref name=Hawaii>Text text text</ref> and the next time you want to use is you simply call on the name instead of duplicating the whole thing by just writing <ref name="Hawaii" />. Note that there are some more characters in the code when you call on it that when you name it. The program will then automatically produce the multiple reference. (Oh, and btw your 'ping' worked excellently, you are getting the hang of this place! :) ) Cheers, w.carter-Talk 08:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- I took another look at the article, and it seems like most of the awards and honors are covered by the ref [15] "Annual Report of the SEPM (SOCIETY FOR SEDIMENTARY GEOLOGY)" so no need for additional refs from the University of Hawaii site, unless there are some that are covered there and not in the "Annual Report". If there are that ref can be added right after no. [15].
- And skip all the underscores in the links. No need for them when linking inside the WP. Just copy the name of the article and place inside double brackets, that will do the trick. I have fixed that in the article for you. w.carter-Talk 08:17, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
More on external links
editI have started to make some changes to the links in the article. The links to the different websites are not lost when there is a WP article about it, since there is almost always a link to the website on the page for the society. Look at the Geochemical Society for example. At the bottom of that page is a link to their website under "External links". I'll continue to make some more examples. w.carter-Talk 20:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
- In the "Selected publications" all of the publications are made by Mackenzie and (perhaps) someone else. You should only mention the "other" author and use the external link as a reference for the post. I have used something called a Template:Cite journal, which is a way of getting all the relevant parameters in place and let the "program" sort it out. There are such "Templates" for all kinds of publications, the most common are Template:Cite book, Template:Cite news and Template:Cite web. You use whichever is most appropriate and use as many parameters as needed. I fixed the first one for you, I'll do some more just so you can use as examples. w.carter-Talk 21:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
- Last for the evening. :) I fixed two more publications. One of them is a book, you can see in the code how that is made, it is a bit different from the journals. Also it is preferred to use a neutral link for the book, in this case Google books information, since links to amazon can be seen as promotional. Library links are also perfect.
- I'm sure your head is spinning by now, sorry about that. If you need to ask anything at all please just let me know. You have done a really great job getting the article so far all on your own, not many editors manage to do so with their first article. I will also leave a little help guide for getting in touch with other editors here. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 21:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate all this help and information. Thank you so much for making so many of the edits for me and for your guidance. Creating this page has been such a challenge. I alternate between wanting to pull my hair out and throw the computer through the window when I can't figure something out to feeling so triumphant when I solve the problem. Thank you!! Any editing help is greatly appreciated. Littleiiwi (talk) 02:43, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- No problem! We've all been there in the beginning, until we realize that writing articles here really is a collaborative effort and that you have a host of coworkers around you and you can simply ask someone. It's much easier on hair and computers! People here are generally very helpful, especially to "newbies". And there is always the Teahouse. Hanging around that place listening in on conversations and asking questions really taught me a lot about editing here. I will be keeping an eye out for you and your article for a while as your very informal mentor until you get more settled in. Best, w.carter-Talk 07:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- No problem!
How to alert other editors
edit... or "how to use the phone" on the Wikipedia:
When someone is posting on your talk page you get an automatic notification. That notification is a red square followed by a long yellow box (for most browsers and settings). In all other cases you have to alert the other editor in some way, either by "ping" or by mentioning them in a link. This will result in just the red box notification on that users pages. So even if you respond on your talk page you still have to alert the editor you are addressing. If you want to get hold of me you write {{ping|W.carter}} resulting in @W.carter: or [[User:W.carter|W.carter]] resulting in W.carter and sign with the four "squiggles" ~~~~ at the end and hit "Save". There are some more, but these are the basics. And when you ask something on someone's talk page, you also create a new section so your question don't get entangled in some other conversation. If you are having a conversation with another user on some page, it is also customary to add that page to your Watchlist in case someone in the discussion forgets to alert.
The policy is to leave an answer on the same page as the question, keep the conversation intact unless there is some reason for moving it elsewhere. Like complicated questions at the Teahouse can be continued on the appropriate talk page. w.carter-Talk 21:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Probably you would have received a notification!
editHello! I wanted to tell you that I have created a redirect of Fred Mackenzie (scientist) to the page Fred T. Mackenzie (scientist). I did it because you would not be familiar how to redirect the pages. have a look at how to create redirect. Happy editing 
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aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Acagastya: Thank you!!!! I was putting the redirect off until I got a handle on the external links. Really appreciate your help. Littleiiwi (talk) 16:00, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Your welcome! Well, did you see that page? it will just say
#REDIRECT [[target page name here]]But you need to be careful while making it.
Just message me if you need help.
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 16:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Your welcome! Well, did you see that page? it will just say
Once again...
editHi again! So, once more: when you make link within the Wikipedia, you write just the name, you don't need the part with the connecting underscoring. So Université libre de Bruxelles is written [[Université libre de Bruxelles]] and not [[Université_libre_de_Bruxelles|Université libre de Bruxelles]]. Keep that in mind will you? And also use the same capitals, lowercase and stress marks for the link as in the title of the WP article. w.carter-Talk 20:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: Aha! I was cutting and pasting the link. I see how to do it now. Thanks. Littleiiwi (talk) 20:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say that you are doing a really good job in cleaning up the links. :) You understood the "template" thing right away. Very nice! :) w.carter-Talk 07:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: Thank you for your encouragement!! I am moving slowly, but will keep at it. Littleiiwi (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think it's high time you created your user page. You do that by clicking on your red name and just write something (anything) and "Save". Once that is done your signature will turn from "newbie"-red to editor-blue. You are most definitely an editor by now. :) w.carter-Talk 16:16, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: Well that just made my day! I will do that soon. I still have so many questions about so many things like uploading photos and fixing or linking the other Fred Mackenzie sites, etc., but I want to get through the external links first and then will ask for guidance. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Littleiiwi (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- We'll take everything one item/question at the time. Just let me know when you need to know something. As for "linking to the other Fred Mackenzie sites" you don't need to do anything about that. You are working on the "main" page, the other pages are just pages that redirects to the "main" page in case someone should be searching for the article under one of the different spellings. Try the different spellings and you will see: Frederick T. Mackenzie and Fred Mackenzie (scientist). I'll fix the golfer for you. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 17:26, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: The site keeps getting better. Again, thank you so much for your edits and contributions. Littleiiwi (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: Woohoo! I think all external links have been corrected. You made major headway while I looked away! There are inconsistencies in the capitalization of the journal titles, and I am not sure which style to use. Suggestions?? Littleiiwi (talk) 02:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Rule of thumb: Always use the capitalization used in the WP article about the journal. If there is none, use the caps that are used on the journal's website or in the journal itself. The WP likes to go by the source since it's verifiable and also the style/spelling people use when they look for an article. You can look at WP:COMMONNAME for more on this. WP's first priority is to make things easy for The Reader. In that aspect it differs from many other encyclopedias. There is also more info on the finer points of this in MOS:TITLE. I'm no expert on this subject so there might be things I've missed. ;)
- Btw, congrats on your user page! Glad you caught the bug, you have the makings of a good editor. The very best way to learn is to make an article and interact with others here, the way you do. That way you get to cover much more editing things than with random edits. It also takes while before new editors realize that writing articles here really is a cooperative effort and you have hundreds of coworkers right beside you, and all you have to do is ask. w.carter-Talk 07:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, and "Wikipedia" is a "site" the articles in it are just "articles" mixed up with "pages" such as talk pages, help pages etc. no "sites" in it. w.carter-Talk 07:47, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Picures
edit@W.carter: One last thing for the Fred Mackenzie page. I'd like to add a photo and there is one on his UH page. Is that in the public domain? How do you tell if it is okay to use? Thanks. http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/oceanography/faculty/mackenzie.htmlLittleiiwi (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- I agree that a photo would be very nice, but they are also oh so tricky! The photo on his website is not in the public domain and cannot be just used here. It must be written somewhere close to the photo that it is totally free to use and that there is no copyright whatsoever for it. Otherwise it must be uploade by the photographer or copyright holder himself. The uploading is done at the Commons, it is very easy to do once you have the photo. Sometimes an email to the subject can do the trick. If they are aware that there is an article about them, they are often willing to let a friend or staffer take a picture and upload. Or they might donate one themselves. That is why most pic of prominent people are less than perfect here. See these for example: 1, 2, 3.
- I have heard of some thing that the subject can agree via email to a photo being used here, not quite familiar with the process though, you have ta ask at the Commons help desk. When dealing with articles of dead people, it is easier since you can use the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and "borrow" a pic for the article. That can not be done with living people since "anyone can take a picture of a living person". Something that has had some bizarre effect on articles about some noted people here... So, some things to think about for you on how to proceed. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- About the email: Most of us have a separate dedicated email address for our WP account. This allow us to send out requests using our WP "alias" and sometimes continue conversations via mail, if that's necessary for some reason. Otherwise the WP is a very transparent community where anyone can see everything. The email option is under "Tools" in the left-hand column on user pages. Speaking of transparent, feel free to explore other user pages. Most things don't blow up if you click on them until you hit "save". You can find all kind of useful things. On my page I have some notes to help me remember things or things I use frequently (some of them copied from other user pages), but anyone can look at these and use them. There is a section that might interest you under the bar "Things for helping newbies" where I keep tips for new editors that I help. Click on the [show] tab. w.carter-Talk 07:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Original Barnstar |
| For your tenacity and willingness to learn, resulting in Fred T. Mackenzie (scientist). Nice article! w.carter-Talk 07:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC) |
Photo is comming
editHello again! Some good news: I sent an email to Mr. Mackenzie about a picture, and this morning I got a very nice reply from him. A friend if his is going to donate a picture of him at the Commons. :) I will probably get an email when this is done, and then I'll include it in the article. He was very kind and seemed pleased with the article, so kudos to you for making it. :) Best, w.carter-Talk 08:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- The picture is now in the article. We got the very nice one from the website!! :) Best, w.carter-Talk 09:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: You got the photo!! Congratulations. It looks fantastic. So glad it all worked out. I have been traveling and away from my dreams of creating another wiki article. I have some edits I want to do on another article and have been thinking about a new topic. Thank you for getting the photo. It really makes the article look complete. Littleiiwi (talk) 03:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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