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John A. Brewin

Hi Connor, got one more if you wouldn't mind: John A. Brewin. Photo and date of birth? :) Jrcla2 (talk) 20:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Done! – Connormah (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Tammy Duckworth's DOB

Since you commented on the matter in January, Just letting you know that I initiated an RfC regarding Tammy Duckworth's DOB: Talk:Tammy_Duckworth#RfC_on_providing_full_date_of_birth. Edge3 (talk) 03:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Is using an IP now. — Status (talk · contribs) 21:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Dealt with. Thanks for the heads up. – Connormah (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem; thanks for dealing with it so quickly! — Status (talk · contribs) 21:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Might need to revoke talk page access? — Status (talk · contribs) 21:54, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. Sigh. – Connormah (talk) 22:00, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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DOB and DOD

Could you find the DOB and potential DOD for Alvin Roth (basketball)? I had no luck tracking them. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Shivers

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Hi, sorry that I missed this earlier. Thanks so much! – Connormah (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Alberta's 19nd Legislature

Hello, I've run into a bunch of your edits from a few years ago, [1], [2] and [3] for example. In those edits you added a reference to A Guide to Alberta's 19nd Legislature. Is it really 19nd, or should it be 19th? Let me know and I'd be happy to fix them. Thanks, SchreiberBike talk 21:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead... more or less an error by myself that was carried forward with copy/paste. Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

All done. Thanks, SchreiberBike talk 23:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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I noticed that you uploaded the Oakland Seals and California Golden Seals logos on the California Golden Seals page. Would you consider uploading a California Seals logo? I wanted to use it on the first paragraph (Founding) on the article but I don't know how to upload SVG files. http://oi39.tinypic.com/117yct5.jpg Giantdevilfish (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Protecting a userpage?

Hey, I thought I'd ask you to take a peek back at User:Deep Dhudiya. The user has been blocked from editing anything but his talk page, but he's been logging in with IPs to re-add the userspace material that got him blocked in the first place. I've protected the page to prevent any further attempts to re-add the information with IPs, but I don't know if this affects the talk page as well. I don't think it did and I don't think there would be any true loss if it was, as it's pretty clear he doesn't plan on doing any beneficial editing or show cause for him to do as such. In any case, I thought I'd drop you a line and let you know what I did and get you to take a look at it. If I did something wrong, feel free to undo it and let me know what the proper protocol/procedure is. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. Looks good to me. Thanks for dealing with it. – Connormah (talk) 04:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking! It's my first time doing something like that, so I wanted to make sure I was doing it right! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I screwed up a few moves and can't fix it myself

Ultragamesau created a fake article as their userpage for a company with the same name as their username. You indefinitely blocked them with a username violation.

I tried to move the userpage to a subpage of the user to further avoid a WP:FAKEARTICLE situation but didn't put it together that I'd be moving their talk page as well. I tried to reverse my mistake and only made things worse. I can't fix the issue with out admin rights so I thought you might be able to help.

Here's what needs to happen, to save you some time.

• User talk:Ultra Games Australia needs to be moved back to User talk:Ultragamesau.
• Anything at User talk:Ultra Games Australia (a redirect) needs to be deleted.
• (Optional) While User:Ultragamesau/Ultra Games Australia was probably a fake article, I really don't think it qualified for G11. As a draft, I think it was OK. As an article, it would have qualified for A7. On its own, I don't think its content qualified it for G11 at all. This is probably a moot point so do whatever you feel is necessary.

Sorry for the mix up. OlYeller21^Talktome 14:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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User:Gingeroscar

Hi Connormah, I saw the trout on another editor's talk. I expressed a concern about the treatment of this newbie here yesterday. Not convinced he is a vandal, rather a confused good faith editor with good intentions but no direct constructive feedback to mentor him through his confusion of having most of his efforts reverted. Granted only 3-4 of the articles he's worked on are in my watchlist and none of them templates. Just thought I'd add my observation. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd agree with that assessment. I'm not really too much into the articles, but if some editor would be willing to post a note to their talk and such to guide them, that'd probably help out a lot. But all that seems to have been done is reverting and WP:BITEing, and that AIV report (where I stumbled upon this case)... – Connormah (talk) 06:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

George Kennedy

Thanks! Think I can get hold of a photo of him from his short-lived television show, Sarge, where he played a tough cop who decides to quit law enforcement and enter the priesthood. We have one of him from The Blue Knight. We hope (talk) 14:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

File:George Kennedy Sarge 1971.JPG This is what I could get that's "legal" right now. We hope (talk) 21:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Ms17corporation

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Thanks for catching this. I'll gracefully take a trout for this and admit that I erred. Thanks for the note again. – Connormah (talk) 18:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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OTRS Ticket

Hey, since you're a member of the OTRS team, can you check out Ticket#2013091310017122? Russ Hodge is trying to correct incorrect information about his date of birth, so I forwarded the information to OTRS, who suggested I get an account on Wikipedia and make the change myself, even though I mentioned my user name and the fact that I've been on Wikipedia for eight years. I'll leave it at that, haha. Canadian Paul 17:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Three years passed, and the page is less edited recently. Lower to "Pending changes" if "unprotection" is too risky? --George Ho (talk) 01:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Lou Reed

Hi, Connormah. Is Rolling Stone a victim of the hoax, or is this a separate story and possible true? The RS story say Reed died today, but the hoax says he died Friday. ---- Rrburke (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

It looks to be true, unfortunately. Several others seem to have picked up on it including the National Post, Globe and Mail, Guardian, and Telegraph, to name a few. The hoax site doesn't look convincing. – Connormah (talk) 18:41, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree about the hoax site: on the other hand, all of the other outlets seem to be relying solely on the Rolling Stone story. I'm not going to edit the article, but as Wikipedia is not the news, I don't think there would be much harm in removing the death information while waiting for the dust to settle. Might be better than helping spread a hoax. ---- Rrburke (talk) 18:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Guardian seems to have a quote from his agent: [4] – Connormah (talk) 18:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Aww. I admit I was hoping it was a hoax, but that's enough for me. Cheers. ---- Rrburke (talk) 18:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Funny, nothing in the NY Times yet. ---- Rrburke (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

They usually get things up a bit later IIRC. Probably the fact that it's a weekend may factor into it as well. Sad news indeed though. – Connormah (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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Should the page be "pending changes" rather than semi-protected? I don't see any indication of frequent editing, excessive vandalism, sockpuppetry, etc. --George Ho (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

• Would you mind if this were lowered to pending changes? I'm inclined to do so. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

  Go right ahead! It seems that I just hadn't considered it at the time... Cheers, – Connormah (talk) 00:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've done so, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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Willard Witte photo

Hi Connormah. Any chance you could scrounge up a photo for Willard Witte? Jrcla2 (talk) 13:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Will take a look! – Connormah (talk) 03:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Birth dates

Hi Connormah. I think I know what guideline you mean now. And you're right -- footnotes don't appear in the lead for things cited in the article body. (Same with infoboxes.) We're allowed to footnote in the lead, though, for contentious material and for material not in the article body. Since WP:LEADs summarize the article, that usually means avoiding footnotes. Life and birth dates, however, aren't always worked into the article body, and so they're footnoted in the lead; also, with celebrities especially, birth dates can be contentious, so they're often cited.

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Connormah, I saw your edit on Shirley Wilson. A few things about Template:Infobox college coach:

• Please see Template:Infobox college coach#Empty for the proper form of this template. You pulled in a legacy version with a number of stale fields.
• The name field should display the subject common name, that is the article name minus any parenthetical disambiguation, e.g. "Shirley Wilson", not "S. S. (Red) Wilson".
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Oh, the choices! :)

Got these re: George Kennedy-the other day. File:George Kennedy 1975.JPG File:George Kennedy Blue Knight 1975.jpg :) We hope (talk) 01:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much! – Connormah (talk) 06:57, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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Re:Alan Arbus

Have been watching for one that's PD for a while, but everything so far has been dated after 1977. Maybe now that you've asked, one will finally appear that's before 1977 and we can grab it!:) We hope (talk) 01:22, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Harold Camping

Maybe you should unprotect the article, rather than edit through the protection while nobody else can.--Atlan (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I apologize - I had not noticed the protection beforehand and was editing on mobile. – Connormah (talk) 23:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I figured as much. No problem, just pointing it out.--Atlan (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Re:Leonard Stone

Your link was fine! File:Jean Arthur Ron Harper Leonard Stone The Jean Arthur Show.JPG We also got an additional one which could go on The Jean Arthur Show as a cast photo: File:Jean Arthur Show cast.JPG. We hope (talk) 03:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Larry Lujack

Hey,

Thanks for finding that source for the Larry Lujack page and rewording the recently added bit. I wasn't sure what to do since this person has died within the past 24 hours. After reading through the page, it looks like it needs to be reorganized a bit. I am willing to take a crack at it, but I am new to Wikipedia so I am not sure if it is appropriate to do so at this time. Does Wikipedia have a policy about editing pages of person's who have recently died? I remember seeing a banner (or something) about that, but can seem to find anything specific on Wikipedia about it. Should I just leave it alone and let somebody more experienced take care of it? Marchjuly (talk) 05:21, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. Thanks for the interest in the article! Nope, there are no "new" policies in place for articles of recently deceased people, except that WP:BLP should still be kept in mind, along with the usual other guidelines (NPOV, MOS, etc.). The recent death template is typically only used for articles with an extremely high edit count and traffic (think Michael Jackson). Have at it if you wish! – Connormah (talk) 05:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I'll wait a few days since none of what I feel needs to be done is anything uber time sensitive. Plus, I don't want to step on too many toes by changing it around so soon after this person has died. In fact, I wasn't watching your page, so thanks for posting on my talk page too. Marchjuly (talk) 05:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Deane W. Kelley

Hi Connormah. Are you sure that you have the correct Deane W. Kelley? If he were born in 1876, that would make him 15-16 when he coached Eastern Michigan in 1892. Canadian Paul 21:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I got the Forget email... I'll check it out after the holidays and let you know if anything turns up on Robert Wallace. Canadian Paul 21:21, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Here's what I got: File:Joan Fontaine 1945.JPG File:Joan Fontaine 1942.jpg File:Joan Fontaine 1943.jpg. Lots of photos at eBay--most have no source they can be traced back to or are marked as copyright. Believe it or not, one is from a 1945 Rogers Bros. silverplate ad! :) We hope (talk) 02:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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New articles for Wake Forest football coaches

Connormah, over the past couple days I created three new articles for missing Wake Forest football coaches: A. P. Hall, Jr., Frank Thompson (coach), Tom Rogers (American football). If you get a chance, can you do your thing with the DOB/DOD research? For Thompson, there's also a good picture to grab for the infobox here. Thanks and happy holidays, Jweiss11 (talk) 06:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll see what I can do! – Connormah (talk) 06:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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People you asked about

Found something for half of them:

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And am still hoping to (eventually) find something for the other two. :) We hope (talk) 18:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Re:Sam Donaldson

It looks like he's going to need to wait a bit longer:

• This one has no date on the back or release from ABC. The photo was taken in the 70s and ABC got their money's worth out of it because it was still being printed in 1984. :)

• The one with the plane has no date or information to "tie" it back to ABC either.

Let's both keep our eyes open for others as I'm sure we'll get one in the not so distant future! We hope (talk) 02:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

E. T. McDonald and E. T. MacDonnell

Connormah, happy new year! I think E. T. McDonald and E. T. MacDonnell may be there same person. Let me know if you can shed any light. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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I don't know if you created the SVG of File:Inews 880 logo.svg but if you did, can you fix the A in the word demand? I don't think the whole should be filled in. If not, could you find a correct version of the logo? Thanks, -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 16:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi there. The first note under Biography just tells me he was born in 1930. I don't see any specific date mentioned anywhere. What am I missing? Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi! This (the cite after it says he was born in 1930) gives the date as 2-8-1930. Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 02:23, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Yes, I just saw that, finally. That seems to be taken from New Grove, a UK publication. Can we be sure the LC has changed it to US format, month-day-year? Otherwise it could mean 2 August 1930. I'd much rather a direct citation if we can get hold of one.

Also, there's now a doubt about his date of death - see Talk page. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look! – Connormah (talk) 03:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Jerald C. Anderson

Hi-Jerald C. Anderson died on January 7, 2014 not January 6, 2014. There is a mistake in the Recent Deaths section that listed Anderson as dying on January 6. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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You want it your way, okay. But the next time the date of birth or his place of birth is vandalized, I will put the references back... The Banner talk 19:10, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

They're not there already? There are already two in the infobox, and two in the first sentence of "Early life".... if they're vandalized, it's just best to revert. Per Wikipedia:LEDE#Citations, it's best to include cites in the body of the article as the lede is a summary of it. – Connormah (talk) 19:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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