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Please help me with... how to respond to a comment in Teahouse. I am a brand-new user trying my first edit. I posted a question == How to change article title? == in Teahouse about Hank (textile) which I have changed to Hank (unit of measure). I also fixed the Disambiguation page. I would now like to know whether I need to add a reference to support the statement about the use of the word hank in the meat industry, or if it is sufficient that a reference appears in the linked article Sausage_casing. What are the mechanics of continuing the comments in the original posting in Teahouse? Do I edit the posting or is there some other procedure? Thank you! CMtemCA (talk) 20:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! You can go to the Wikipedia:Teahouse, find the How to change article title? section header, and click the "Edit" or "Edit source" link next to the section header. Then type your response, sign your post with the four tildes, and click [Publish changes]. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

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Please help me with... I have made some changes to Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie and have some questions. Are the sources I found (Refs 2 and 3) OK? Are they sufficient to remove the tag regarding single source? In the Publications list, I added her most recent book using the Visual Editor, but I noticed that the links to ISBN and the ISBN number were not inserted. Do I need to do that using Edit Source following the format for the other entries? Please let me know of any other suggestions. I'm new at this! Thanks. CMtemCA (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I removed the {{single source}} tag and replaced it with {{BLP sources}}. The referencing for the article remains woefully bad and large chunks might need to be removed for lack of sources.

Using the Visual Editor in the way you did is fine – you have to work within its limitations. I don't know how the 'nowiki' tags ended up around the ISBN, but I'll fix that by using the {{ISBN}} template instead.

Note that the link to her faculty page has gone bad; we need to either find a new one or try to add an archive link.

I'll watch this page for a while to see if you undertake any more fixes. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

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Please help me with... following up on Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie Thanks to jmcgnh for your help so far. I'm not sure how to continue the conversation with you directly. I found some information on Marilyn's family (children and former spouse) at https://prabook.com/web/marilyn_bailey.ogilvie/3478489. Is Prabook a valid source? It also supports some of the other information in the Wikipedia article. I also found the family information in a Washington Post obituary of her former husband. How would I cite that article in the Infobox? There is no other information of interest in the obituary. Finally, in the list of her books, I linked the name Margaret Norse Nice in the first book title to the corresponding Wikipedia article. Is that OK? CMtemCA (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Just reply to the message, no need to use the {{help me}} template again or to create a new section.

To do this the 'right' way, you would use a template like {{reply|username}} so the user will most likely receive a notification that you were talking to them, but - as I said - I'll be watching this page for a while so it's not strictly required that you do anything extra.

Prabook, to all appearances, is user-generated content and a dead end for following up on where they get their information, so, no, it would not be considered a suitable source.

Obituaries can be used as sources, just like any other newspaper or magazine article, but their uses are fairly limited and it depends on who appears to have written them. When mainly written by family members, they are insufficiently independent and not known to be fact checked.

To my mind, there should never be references in an infobox. An infobox is intended to summarize material already present in the body of the article and the references should be there.

I would recommend not inserting wikilinks into book titles. If the subject is worth linking, then it's worth a sentence somewhere where the person can be mentioned and linked. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

{{reply|jmcgnh}}OK - I'm trying the template just for practice. I agree with you about Prabook - it definitely looked "iffy" to me. The obituary in the Washington Post was written by someone on their staff, so I used it and added a sentence to the Biography section to connect the source to. I also added a paragraph connecting the theme of women in science to the book titles and used the wikilinks there instead of in the book titles. I have been trying without success to find more good sources on Marilyn Ogilvie. Any suggestions? I started working on this article because I found it in the Task Center and I wanted to get more comfortable with how Wikipedia works before tackling anything more complex. But I don't want to make a "career" of fixing this one article! Thanks again for your help.CMtemCA (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

{{reply|jmcgnh}}Regarding Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie I found the article Wikipedia:Notability (academics) which indicates that Notability can be established at least to some extent by the number of libraries holding the person's books according to WorldCat, so I put in a reference with that information. Is that sufficient? CMtemCA (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

CMtemCA, Sorry, you did something strange with the reply template so it took me a while to get around to looking back here.

Yes, library holdings of books can be an element for academic notability and WorldCat can be used to demonstrate it. Whether it's 'sufficient' is hard to say, since I've found there are unwritten rules around academic notability and some very experienced editors see notability in places where I don't.

But I don't think we're arguing about whether the notability threshold has been met. Instead, we're trying to make sure that all of the facts about Ogilvie in the article can be verified from published, reliable sources - preferably independent ones. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: OK, I read up a little on templates, so please let me know if this is correct (and if not, what I did wrong). Regarding Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie I think the sources are all good now. The only thing I couldn't find in a reliable source is her date of birth (March 22, 1936). The full date appears in the prabook.com listing, which I didn't use as a source per our previous discussion. The article about her being honored by the History of Science Society indicates that her 80th birthday was in 2016, so that supports the year 1936. Should I change it to just show the year? CMtemCA (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

CMtemCA, Yes, the notification worked this time.

Yes, I'm afraid the data in the article should reflect only what is available in the cited sources, so without a birthdate reference, you may be stuck with just the year. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: I believe the article Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie is OK now. I rearranged the text a little to make it flow better, and I changed her birthdate to just the year. I also removed the maintenance templates. Let me know if there's anything else I should do. Thanks! CMtemCA (talk) 22:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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