Template talk:UK underground

Links

How was it decided what links to include in this template? Is there any reason to it? Flowerparty^☀ 01:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The general rule was to include individuals and organisations mentioned in the article UK underground as relevant participants, or where such involvement is indicated in the subject's article. Is there something which you think should or shouldn't be in the template? Ty 02:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I just don't see why we need a navbox for this. It's not like these people and groups actually signed up to be part of the UK underground, right? They're just kind of lumped together. The box does does provide an admirable summary of the topic, I'll grant, but surely that's what the article's supposed to do. Flowerparty^☀ 03:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The article is meant to provide a comprehensive examination of the subject. A navbox then enables readers to easily access different aspects of this to read about them in more depth than the article can provide. Anyone wanting to do this will find the navbox extremely helpful. The article defines certain bands, publications and individuals as part of the UK underground, as they were recognised as taking a part in it. The navbox reflects this. If you find it problematic, then this should be addressed in the article content. Ty 12:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I've nominated this at tfd to get a wider discussion. Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 November 2#Template:UK underground Flowerparty^☀ 23:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Some references

• "UK underground"[1]
• 1965 - "The London "underground" scene was just emerging"[2]
• "The underground or alternative society ... of the Sixties"[3]
• "Mr Dennis, who shot to fame as co-editor of the Sixties' underground magazine "Oz"[4]
• Caroline Coon (in her own words) "a leader of the underground because of my work with Release"[5]
• "Release, an underground organisation"[6]
• "one of the prime movers in the underground, John Hopkins"[7]
• "Jim Haynes ... a leading figure in the London underground"[8]
• "Joe Boyd, who was the proprietor of an underground club in Tottenham Court Road called UFO"[9]
• Mick Farren "a principal defendant in the trial of the underground comic Nasty Tales"[10]
• "British underground poet Jeff Nuttall"[11]
• "Underground Poetry, a phrase used to describe the work of a number of writer‐performers active in Britain between the late 1950s and mid‐1970s, including A. Mitchell, Jeff Nuttall ( 1933 – ), Tom Pickard , Alexander Trocchi ( 1925 – 84 ), Heathcote Williams , and the Liverpool poets"[12] (subscription)
• "Liverpool developed into a notable centre in the underground literary scene with its own distinctive 'Mersey sound'" - The Mersey Sound[13]
• "Floyd were the official group of the underground. The bible of the underground was the International Times, the meeting point of the underground became the UFO club"[14]
• "nearly every important UK underground band including Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, Jimi Hendrix and Tomorrow
• "the underground press of Oz, Frendz, International Times"[15](also [16][17])
• "the underground press in all its forms, IT, Mole Express, Frendz, Grass Eye, Black Dwarf, Ink, Oz, 7 Days, even Gandalf's Garden"[18]
• "as the underground scene ballooned, early venues like UFO and Middle Earth proved to be too small"[19]
• "the Arts Lab ... was an 'epicentre' of the underground scene"[20]
• "Britain's leading underground DJ, John Peel"[21]
• Arthur Brown "was one of the prime movers behind the British progressive underground"[22] (official site)
• "among the underground bands featured was the whimsical acoustic band Tyrannosaurus Rex featuring Marc Bolan"[23]
• "British underground acts, such as Pink Floyd, the Soft Machine and the Incredible String Band"[24]
• Soft Machine "were, along with the likes of Pink Floyd and the Nice, one of the underground bands"[25]
• "Soft Machine, who were quickly linked with Pink Floyd as leaders of the UK's nascent underground scene"[26]
• Kevin Ayers "the father of the underground"[27]
• "underground rock like Hapshash and the Coloured Coat"[28]

Ty 06:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the people and bands mentioned in the template were part of the UK underground scene, but this only doesn't make a template valid. This is the equivalent to making a template called "Hollywood Scene" and including Lindsay Lohan and Jennifer Aniston. A list like this can never be absolute and conclusive. Your sources are subjective, opinions from people in newspapers, etc. The word "underground" itself is up to interpretation and it's used regularly not always meaning the same thing, even in the quotes you just included. Way too vague for Wikipedia I think! --Agusk7 (talk) 20:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be absolute and conclusive, only helpful for those wishing to access relevant articles, namely ones where, as you say, "the people and bands mentioned in the template were part of the UK underground scene". It's not up to us to second-guess sources, just to use them, as stated in WP:NPOV. Ty 20:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)