Talk:Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War

Rozdolivka

ISW has FINALLY updated Rozdolivka as Russian controlled, please update when you can. 73.145.137.48 (talk) 03:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 06:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Cross border incursion into Kursk

We all know about the hype that surrounded similar cross border raids into Russia in Belgorod and Kursk oblasts. What makes this new one different is it wasn't done by pro-Ukraine Russian militants, but done entirely by the regular Ukrainian army, so I think the villages captured should be added.

Rybar is a good source for mapping out the villages as a start, as it is a pro-Russian source reporting on loss of territory within Russia. TheMapLurker (talk) 00:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Telegram usually shouldn't be used even if the reports on it are by a "reliable source"; I think we should either stick with the ISW or maybe use some other map (maybe Deepstate if they start visualizing the advances or SuriyakMaps, though they've been determined in the past to be a bit iffy) instead of resorting to what some bloke on Telegram thinks, even if he is a "pro-Russian source reporting on his territorial losses", which doesn't seem much better than a pro-Russian source reporting on their own advances as it's biased either way. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I was just suggesting that as a starting point

What if we were to use the maps in this article https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:August_2024_Kursk_Oblast_incursion.svg which cites ISW as the source for mapping out the territorial control in Kursk? TheMapLurker (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it's time to add a section for Kursk Oblast. I've now seen western sources report on control of towns in the oblast, such as Sudzha, and it's becoming clear that Ukraine controls a fairly significant part of the region, at least for the time being. Physeters^✉ 03:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Physeters I started a table. I've found however that once the population of a settlement drops below 6,000 (Sudzha), reporting on who definitively controls a settlement becomes scarce. It might be hard to find exact control info on settlement control that is not just repeating what one side claims has happened. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Physeters^✉ 01:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Miasozharivka

Miasozharivka (Luhansk) should be 'contested', as the Russians clearly have some kind of a foothold within the village (if it's not fully captured, as they say so). One Hop2482 (talk) 16:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Dark mode problems

The map at Template:Russo-Ukrainian War detailed map is pretty hard to read in dark mode. In light mode, the names of cities are in blue on a yellow or light gray background. In dark mode, the text is blue (though it looks grey, but each city name has a black-background box around it, which results in low-contrast text. The country background colors of yellow and light grey are the same, which makes the black boxes jarring. The blue and red dots showing city control are also darker shades, which makes them harder to distinguish. This page could just be hard-wired to ignore dark mode, or there are suggestions at mw:Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis. -- Beland (talk) 03:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Vovche

Vovche next to Prohres in Donetsk Oblast is certainly captured, on around 20 July - 29 July, but there is no information about it on the article. Same for Svyrydonivka, Timofiivka, Zhuravka and Lysychne. 77.219.13.96 (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Same for Zalizne and New York. 77.219.13.96 (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

77.219.13.96: added Vovche and updated Zalizne. About New York, ISW still shows a large part of it controlled by Ukrainian forces so it would be too early to change it (right now its shown as contested). For Svyrydonivka, etc., those are all relatively small settlements/villages and this list is already so long as it is so ideally would be best to avoid putting them all in (I added Vovche though since I think its been reported quite a bit amongst the media (like Prohres) although other editors are free to take it out if it helps). Cheers, Dan the Animator 22:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I understand, thanks :) Pivnichne will also soon need to be added. 77.219.4.202 (talk) 18:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Pivnichne already seems to be present in the list. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I meant added to the list at the bottom, which shows the dates and order of capture. 77.219.12.48 (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

And Pivdenne certainly isnt contested, its 100% captured 77.219.12.48 (talk) 11:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Zalizne

ISW and deepstate show like RF controls %99 of the town so, it could be marked as controlled by russians Asigooo (talk) 20:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

99% is not 100%, nor have either of those sources explicitly said it was "captured by Russia". As Russia, from the ISW's own map, controls the part of the town where anyone actually lives, a news source in their own voice saying the town is captured would be fine, but I can't find any at the moment. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Krasnohorivka

On the map, Krasnohorivka should be shown as mostly captured (red circle with a spinning icon in the top left, similar to Toretsk or Selydove currently).

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 11:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Done. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Vyimka

Vyimka is captured according to Russian MOD: "Russia says it has captured two more settlements in east Ukraine". Reuters.

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 11:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and that's what they claim; it's not yet confirmed by any reliable source. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)