Template talk:IPA vowels

Alignment of rows

Nardog, thanks for making this template; I've been translating it for the Latin Wikipedia. The line height change actually fixed an alignment problem, at least in my browser. With your edit, the headings on the left are scrunched up at the top, and "Near-open" lines up with "ɛ • œ ..." Is there possibly another solution? Lesgles (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Lesgles: Thanks for reporting the issue. What browser/OS are you using? And does this fix it? Nardog (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Safari, Mac OS 10.13. And yes, the sandbox version works great for me. Lesgles (talk) 08:43, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Great. Updated the live version. Nardog (talk) 09:42, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Accessibility of table for screen reader users

Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Template:IPA vowels. Graham87 01:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Bug report: "Close" link not clickable when audio=yes

At IPA vowel chart with audio the "Close" link at the top-left is not clickable (and does not show a pointer when hovered over), unlike the similar links for Near-close, Close-mid, Front, etc. Tested on Chrome and Firefox. Spent some time trying to debug, but not sure I totally understand the issue. It seems like it relates to the nearest div (the one containing the vowels i and y) "covering up" the link somehow. If I disable the translate(-48px, 6px) transform rule on that div (moving it over to the right), then the "Close" link does become clickable. I tried bringing the link to the front (by increasing its z-index, and/or decreasing the div's z-index), but that didn't do anything. Colin M (talk) 15:53, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Colin M: Thanks, good catch! Does this fix it for you? Nardog (talk) 16:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nardog: Yup, that seems to have fixed it! Colin M (talk) 17:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, main updated. Nardog (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Vowels subset

This chart contains some additional vowels comparing with IPA chart (near close central, mid back and so on) transcribed with diacritics and it doesn't contain another theoretically possible vowels, rounded near-open central vowel for example (reported for Sabiny).

Is there some methodology / description why some vowels are there on this chart and other are not? Artem.komisarenko (talk) 11:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

They are the vowels about which separate articles exist. Many languages have mid /e, o/ and central /a/, so it would be weird to tally those occurrences along with close-mid or open-mid (or front or back). [ɨ̞, ʉ̞, ɯ̞] have somewhat less of a justification and the idea of merging them with other vowel articles has been discussed at WT:LING. [ə] and [ɐ] appear at the center of the line because they have no defined roundedness in the official IPA, so your example doesn't apply. Nardog (talk) 02:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Why have ɒ̈ (the open central rounded vowel) and and ɤ̞ (the mid back unrounded vowel) been removed? --Orenwatson (talk) 06:36, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Orenwatson: They're now covered on near-open central vowel and close-mid back unrounded vowel. Nothing's been removed, and more mergers are on the way. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Two Templates with similar names and both are original work

This template called Template:IPA vowels. There is another Template:IPA chart vowels about the same topic. Both are containing some symbols, that are not in the IPA at all: ø̞ , which is Mid front rounded vowel. As in the article stated: "there is no dedicated symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents the "exact" mid front rounded vowel between close-mid [ø] and open-mid [œ], ⟨ø⟩ is generally used". As I see it, there are 2 problems:

• Two Templates with similar names and a bit different content
• Both have IPA in their names, but both are some original Wikipedia work (This is real IPA-Charts).

At lest the first one should be somehow corrected, because it is not an encyclopedic way at all.--95.91.179.75 (talk) 07:54, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

The latter is no longer being used and the history of both templates looks like it used to be in the place of the former chart. We could probably delete the latter template now.

What you identify as "symbols, that are not in the IPA at all" are, in fact, IPA symbols with IPA diacritics. This is hardly "original" (in the sense of original research being proscribed) and is perfectly acceptable. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 15:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

The information, that IPA has no dedicated symbol, is from the article about the sound. The original IPA chart uses no diacritics, because it will be too full of symbols (it had earlier much more symbols). But why some symbols are there (like this one, ä or ø̞), but other do not deserve the place in a chart like e̞? It should be or IPA Chart, or IPA-like-full Chart, but it cannot be both.--95.91.179.75 (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Bug report: no dots when audio=yes

The template consistently states "Vowels beside dots are: unrounded • rounded". However, the dots are not visible (for me, at least) when audio is set to yes.

Possible fixes:

• amend display of template so that dots are visible in all configurations; or
• amend note — e.g."Vowels in pairs are: unrounded (left) rounded (right)" — although this won't help with single (unpaired) vowels that should usually be placed either left or right of a dot.

—DIV (1.129.110.105 (talk) 11:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC))

The note used to say "Paired vowels are...", but I changed it to "besides dots" because [ä], [æ] and [ʊ] are not paired yet the note still applies to them. The official IPA chart isn't better in this regard; it says: "Where symbols appear in pairs, the one to the right represents a rounded vowel" (even though the note below the pulmonic consonant table was improved for the 2015 version). Adding dots on the audio chart just so the note makes more sense seems overkill. I don't know what the right solution is, but I'm not sure if it's such a big deal that we need one at all. Nardog (talk) 15:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Italicise Open central unrounded vowel?

there is no official symbol for this vowel (and have repeatedly refused to give it a symbol), even though it is a valid letter. italicising it will probably work better. not like i can do it, how am i supposed to understand {{IPA common|name=IPA vowels|table={{IPA vowels/table|caption={{{caption|def}}}|audio={{yesno|{{{audio|}}}}}|tableclass={{{tableclass|}}}|tablestyle={{{tablestyle|}}}}}|caption={{{caption|[[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]]: [[Vowel]]s}}}|audiopage=IPA vowel chart with audio|notescontent=Vowels beside dots are: [[Roundedness|unrounded <span style="color: #000;">•</span> rounded]]|notes={{{notes|yes}}}|separator=yes|audio={{yesno|{{{audio|}}}}}|class={{{class|}}}|style={{{style|}}}|captionstyle={{{captionstyle|}}}}}?

Great Mercian (talk) 10:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Why? IPA symbols are seldom (if ever) italicized. The template includes other letters modified by diacritics not on the official IPA chart than [ä], as do other templates like {{IPA pulmonic consonants}}. Nardog (talk) 21:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Because there isn't an official symbol? did you read my initial message? Great Mercian (talk) 10:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

How is that a reason to italicize it? Nardog (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Because it is, you're really giving off violent vibes here Great Mercian (talk) 08:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Konjo language (Bantu)

Could someone correct this series of edits to use the template instead of what VisualEditor thinks is the template? Thanks in advance! Izno (talk) 06:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

And the same issue occurred in this edit to Tokelauan language. --Izno (talk) 06:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Done. As this template is a chart of reference vowels that never occur in actual languages, there's no way to correct them "to use the template". Nardog (talk) 14:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I view the source with audio=yes?

Clicking the play button opens a popup player for some vowels (ɯ, e, ä), but not for others. I want to view the source to see if I can fix the problem or at least recommend a solution. How do I do that? Thanks — W.andrea (talk) 20:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Seeing the source won't help you with that. You need to get the .srt files deleted on Commons in order to prevent the player from showing up. Nardog (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Deletion requested: c:Commons:Deletion requests/TimedTexts for phonetic sounds 2. Nardog (talk) 20:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Legal status?

Is this image legally a derivative work of the IPA chart? If so, why does it not include a link to the creative commons license under which it is licensed? If it is not considered a derivative work, please explain why. Thanks. 1.127.108.58 (talk) 14:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)