Talk:Unity Mitford

Birth

" She was born in the town of Swastika, Ontario. " -- older versions say Swastika, Alaska. Do either of these places exist? -- Tarquin 15:24, 19 December 2002‎

Yes. Swastika, Ontario still exists. THE SISTERS: THE SAGA OF THE MITFORD FAMILY p. 33, says Unity Mitford's was conceived in Swastika, Ontario, and born in London, England. -- Someone else 00:07 Apr 13, 2003 (UTC)

See Swastika, Ontario — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik42 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 24 February 2005 (UTC)

According to the DNB, she was born on 8 August 1914 at 49 Victoria Road, Kensington, London, and again according to the DNB she died on 28 May 1948, at the West Highland Cottage Hospital, Oban. This should clarify someone asking for a citation of her age when she died. There is no mention of the story about where she was conceived, it sounds like an urban legend. --jmb 19:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

We should see how far back the claim of her being conceived in Swastika can be traced. "The Sisters" mentioned by User:Someone else appears to have come out around 17 March 2003. Did anyone make this claim prior to Mary S. Lovell in 2003? ScratchMarshall (talk) 04:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Streicher

Some person better acquainted with Wikipedias citation apparatus than I is invited to help to format my contribution (Streicher and source) adequately. Even the translation of Unity's letter in Der Stürmer as I am not a native speaker of English. Historicians tell us she was "naive". There is much more material about her if needed: She met with Hitler 140 times (according to her diary), got a car and flag from him for propanganda travels within Germany, a special Nazi party badge with Hitler's signature etc. Thank you. --charlandes 11:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Family info

The family info - siblings, etc - should not be duplicated here. I suggest a link to the Mitford family instead. LarRan 16:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to add: her name here is incorrect. Unity's middle name was NOT Valkyrie - this is just a name she adopted during her stay in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.243.114 (talk) 15:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hitler's Lover?

Do we think perhaps something should be added about the suggestion that she was Hitler's lover and possibly fathered a child by him as currently being reported in British newspapers? Not the firmest source in the world, but i think its certainly relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.57.241.67 (talk) 01:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The reference link to the Mirror is dead. Can it be removed? 2.31.164.75 (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

In the Times

In the Times today. Gwen Gale (talk) 06:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Rather thin Channel 4 program on 20 December. I've added some comment. Either you believe a lady who heard it second-hand, or a direct witness plus Mitford's sister. It seems unlikely to me but who knows.Nebelfluss (talk) 12:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Psychological profile

I've removed a paragraph from the "Birth" section that lacks citations and employs an unencyclopædic style. I'm pasting it here in case anyone wants to give it a complete overhaul and look into reincorporating it: some well-cited coverage of this theme might add to the article, but the text as it stands is speculative and unverified.

"Unity in her youth clearly found it hard to stand out among her eccentric family and siblings. One of Unity's sisters Jessica, claimed she was a communist supporter. The two shared a room and it is suggested that Unity initially became attracted to Fascism as a way of stating her individuality. Unity's other sister Diana as mentioned, married Mosley who had just formed the first British Fascist group. Unity's choice to go and meet Hitler is seen as another attempt to 'out do' her fellow siblings. It becomes very clear that like many other Facists and Nazi supporters, Unity was following the regime and ideology to overcome the personal inadequacies of others. Unity's love for Hitler was one of a hero-worshiping type and people familiar with the couple, doubted any sexual relationship at all."

Gonzonoir (talk) 12:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Images

Does anyone else think the images included with this article are a little tangential and/or irrelevant? I think the pictures of Hitler and of Oswald especially are unnecessary and rather scaremonger-y, and why on earth is there a picture of Haus Wachenfeld/Berghof? She lived there for one summer? From a quick reading of the article, it seems to me that these images don't do the best job of illustrating her life. Are there no photos of Unity Mitford herself? Or with Hitler, or her family? I'm not deleting anything just yet though, I'll leave that to someone who knows more about Ms Mitford and can decide what images are appropriate. 75.22.207.224 (talk) 05:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the images are very relevant and appropriate to her passion for nazism. She achieved notoriety in Britain if not the world for her association with Hitler. Peterlewis (talk) 08:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree - the images are highly relevant for the reasons stated by Peterlewis. – ukexpat (talk) 15:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I would agree that the images are a little tangential but, until someone locates more relevant images, we're just going to have to stick with them. Mutt (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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Lady [sic] Mitford

Just checked my German-language copy of Speer's "Erinnerungen". He uses "Miss Mitford".Kar98 (talk) 02:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

External links.

Nancy Mitford's webpage is wrongly listed. I will remove said URL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.200.130.2 (talk) 13:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Return to England

RAF Pilot Officer John Andrews cause of death doesn't have a proper citation, the article linked only states; Andrews was still with the RAF towards the end of the war but it is not known what became of him subsequently. Whilst the article claims; He was reposted to the far north of Scotland where he died in a Spitfire crash in 1945. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.235.54 (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

One of the images in the article appears to be the wrong person.

This photo:

does not look like Unity Mitford, as seen in any of the other photos. I'd have to guess it's an error. I also noted this on the talk page for that image.

Anyone agree? Ale And Quail (talk) 23:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree - the above is not Unity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.243.114 (talk) 03:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I've now removed it from this page, and proposed it for deletion. Ale And Quail (talk) 23:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Till 1941?

'...she was a prominent and public supporter of Nazism and fascism and from 1936, a part of Hitler's inner circle of friends and confidants for five years.' That would take her to 1941 - two years after she supposedly attempted suicide, and was in no state to communicate with anyone after that. Valetude (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

After return to England

I've found these sources [1][2] that say that she stayed at Hillmorton in Warwickshire after she returned to England. Which contradicts what is said in the article. G-13114 (talk) 22:54, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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A Channel 4 documentary is not exactly primary evidence

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Response: No, it's a secondary source, which is what Wikipedia depends on: WP:PSTS. What, if anything, is your point? Eric Pode lives (talk) 14:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

'drives around the countryside' during WWII?

If Unity Mitford was as brain damaged by her suicide injury as indicated, it surprises me to read that Sir John Anderson's MI5 informant is quoted as having heard 'she drives around the countryside, picking up airmen..' when she had repatriated. Not only would she have been incapable of driving safely but of managing motoring affairs, not least in wartime motorists (a fortunate minority of the British public) had added responsibilities such as petrol ration books, dimming headlights at night during the blackout and being liable to be asked for identification by the police. She might be more likely to be driven round by another driver.Cloptonson (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The terminology of the time would've been the same for both: someone directing a chauffeur would have been said to "drive" about the countryside, even if they're not physically at the wheel themselves. 2.31.164.75 (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Accessing the Channel 4 documentary

The links to the Channel 4 documentary on YouTube are dead, but through the Wayback Machine, I can figure out that it was not uploaded by Channel 4 itself but by the anonymous channel "AUFSEHERINNEN". The channel no longer exists, but further digging with the Wayback Machine shows that it mainly uploaded videos related to Nazi Germany; fittingly, the Aufseherinnen were apparently female guards in the regime's concentration camps.

My concern here is that unless we can find out more about this YouTube channel, it's probably not a reliable source and shouldn't be cited even if we can fix the dead link (the Wayback Machine doesn't archive videos, so we're out of luck on that site). I've tried looking for the documentary in other places on the web, but https://www.channel4.com/ no longer has it, and a simple web search doesn't turn up anything useful. Someone will probably have to go on an offline search to see if this documentary is still available at all; if it's not, a lot of the info on this article may be unverifiable. Glades12 (talk) 10:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)