Talk:Theyby

Wiki Education assignment: Online Communities

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 September 2022 and 6 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): G9m9brown (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Barb22, Musicluvrr, Georgiabdj.

— Assignment last updated by Musicluvrr (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

New Section Added

Hi all! I have updated the "Legal Recognition" section to reflect law changes from recent years. I am hoping to add more to the article in coming days, but please let me know if you have any suggestions for changes to my current additions or questions! G9m9brown (talk) 03:53, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Peer Feedback

Hi, G9m9brown! I really enjoyed your article and think the topic is a much needed addition to Wikipedia. Additionally, you maintained a neutral tone with resource-backed claims to help further the internet's understanding of "theybies". I also really liked the chart you included and think it was a good aid to the content. One suggestion I have is to add a bit more information to the "motivations" section. The article is already very informative and covers a broad range of issues surrounding the topic, but I think an expansion to this section would be helpful. Also, it might help to include images of birth certificates or other legal documents relating to theybies, if you are permitted to use them. Great work! ~~~ Musicluvrr (talk) 19:23, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 13 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 21:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Theybie → Theyby – "Theybies" is a portmanteau of "they" and "babies". The natural singular is "theyby" ("they" + "baby"). Google Ngrams shows a recent spike in "theyby" and no results for "theybie". gnu57 15:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support or move to Nongendered baby or some other straightforward descriptive title that is not a neologism (other possibilities are "Non-gendered baby", "Gender-neutral parenting", or "Gender-neutral baby"). This source and this source, which are both cited in the opening sentence, use "theyby" for the WP:singular. The current title is clearly nonsense, since it is neither singular nor plural. The plural should have an 's' at the end. Using a neologism for the title seems like it potentially risks expressing a judgmentally negative POV by making the topic sound a bit silly. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. "Nongendered baby" and especially "gender-neutral parenting" are not equivalent to "theyby". Gender-neutral parenting most often simply takes the form of raising a baby without gender-color-coded toys and decor, and supplying the baby to play with toys that are both stereotypically gendered masculine and feminine, but does not go so far as concealing the sex of the baby and referring to the baby only with neutral pronouns. While "theyby" is somewhat of a neologism, the entire practice being described is also new, so neologisms are not entirely avoidable. Crossroads ^-talk- 00:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

These phenomena and concepts aren't as new as the article says they are. After a few seconds to type in "gender-neutral parenting history", the first page of results includes this, discussing famous examples of "they" as a singular pronoun in 1386 and 1599, and this, describing "70s-era attempts to eliminate gender". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Use of "they" as a singular pronoun for unspecified people is not at all the same thing as using it for a baby with a definite sex. As for the latter link, it talks about the 70s' version of the idea being "boys would love dolls, girls would engage in down-and-dirty, truck-centric play, and neither would be distinguishable from the other without peeking inside their brown corduroy pants." Not that individual children were referred to with "they". Also, that seems to be a blog. Crossroads ^-talk- 23:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I think this is a great explanation of how the topic of this article differs from the other names being proposed. While it is ideal to use the most basic language possible for titling, when the concept is new such as this one I think it is important to not sacrifice the nuanced differences of a topic for the sake of using more established vocabulary. G9m9brown (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Gender-neutral parenting (and move in some contents from Gender neutrality#In parenting where it currently redirects). "Theyby" is a neologism (with apparent disparaging undertone), and the article is more concerned with the parenting aspects than the "theybies" as such; really, the title sounds more like a clickbait than as a serious encyclopedic of the subject. No such user (talk) 14:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

  Well said. I agree on the clickbait issue for the neologism. To me it has the tone of "Gee look at what these weird people are doing!!", maybe with all-caps. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I believe the most accurate title for this article would be "theyby" as the current title has conflicting singular vs. plural components. The other proposed titles that are intending to avoid using neologisms are not completely synonymous with what this article is discussing, and I do struggle to see how using a neologism that is used in many sources of differing viewpoints is inherently disparaging in tone. G9m9brown (talk) 18:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The article is about the neologism as a phenomenon. Changing it to another name loses its character. It is already WP:CONCISE. Shwcz (talk) 15:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.