Talk:The Heart of Thomas

Spelling of names?

Since it might be a conflict of interest (?) for me to edit this article, I'd rather keep my hands off it, but I'm wondering what the basis for the spelling of Juli's name is. For what it's worth, I could not find a German name even remotely close to "Yurisumooru," and after consulting with Hagio, decided to simply name him "Juli" in my English translation. For his surname, I chose the German name "Bauernfeind." The other names are spelled as they are here, except that I wrote Frühling with an umlaut rather than as "Fruehling," although either is an acceptable spelling. All names were decided on in consultation with Hagio. Matt Thorn (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Heart of Thomas/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contribs) 23:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I'll be taking this up for review. I haven't done a GA review in a while so my reviewing skills may still be a little rusty, but I'll try to finish this by the end of the week or so. For now I haven't seen any obvious article issues and I haven't detected any close paraphrasing, though I still need to compare to other sources. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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I'll be checking some of the article criteria right now. If one of the icons is still showing as the yellow one, it means I haven't completed it yet. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   Right now the lede section is a little incomplete, as it doesn't really say anything about the manga's development, production, and publication. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Expanded the lede to include this info.

1. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

   Given that almost all of the sources are offline, I am assuming good faith here, although a copyvio check using Earwigs didn't raise any red flags. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

2. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

3. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

4. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

5. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   This is just optional, but I would suggest adding one more image to the article if you can: perhaps a picture of the manga's main cast (if one exists), as the cover image in the infobox in my opinion doesn't really give a good idea of what the characters look like (especially for a very old series like this where readers may be more familiar with more recent manga designs). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

The cover art already depicts the three primary characters (despite being the title character, Thomas is deceased for the majority of the series) and is representative of the art style of the series, so I'm not sure a cast image would be necessary or pass NFCC.

1. B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

2. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   A well-written article that's almost ready to be passed. I think the only notable issue is the apparent incompleteness of the lede, and once that is resolved this should be good to go. As this is my first review in a while and I'm still not very confident in my GA reviewing skills, I'll also ask for a second opinion on prose wordings, but on my end I don't see any real issues. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Response above. Morgan695 (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Just following up on this. Morgan695 (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

This is more-or-less good to go, I'm just waiting for the user I asked (Tintor2) for their thoughts on the review. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:28, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Everything seems well to me. I would suggest adding a source to the characters not ridiculously detailed but something simple like I did with Hamatora#Characters (Although Hamatora does need to be trimmed though). Maybe a third party source is enough or if the official website has brief details of the cast like this promotion of Bungo Stray Dogs.Tintor2 (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Point taken, but I don't think it's necessary. Per MOS:PLOT, descriptions of plot/characters don't require citations, as the cited work is assumed to be the work itself. Citations would be needed if the descriptions referenced material that is external to the work itself (e.g. List of Sesame Street Muppets), but that's not the case here. Morgan695 (talk) 01:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Then if I were the reviewer, I'll pass it. Just wondered about any nitpick a FA reviewer would give. Good work with the article.Tintor2 (talk) 02:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Narutolovehinata5, this is ready for your final review. Morgan695 (talk) 02:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay! I've been a bit busy over the past few days, but I've been taking a second look at the article. I'll finish the review by later today. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

• Apologies for the delay, but this should be good to go now. Congrats. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the live-action film adaptation of the manga series The Heart of Thomas stars actresses in breeches roles playing schoolboys whose dialogue is dubbed over by voice actors? Source: "Girlie Sexuality: When Flat Girls Become Three-Dimensional"
  • ALT1:... that the 1974 manga series The Heart of Thomas draws inspiration from the Bildungsroman genre, the works of Hermann Hesse, and the 1964 film Les amitiés particulières? Source: Individually cited in article
  • ALT2:... that while it is now considered a classic work of girls' comics, the 1974 manga series The Heart of Thomas was almost cancelled five weeks into serialization due to poor initial reader response? Source: "When a Woman Betrays the Nation: an Analysis of Moto Hagio's The Heart of Thomas"

• Reviewed: Alwyn Court

Improved to Good Article status by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

• Promoted to GA within time period, three days before nom. Long enough, at over 22,000 characters. Passed a successful GAC, so it's within policy. All hooks come under 200 characters, are all interesting and broad enough, are cited within the article, and are neutral. QPQ done. I like all three hooks, but I have a slight preference for ALT2, although any would be good. How about adding an image, although it's fine without one. I'm honored and proud to promote this beautiful article to DYK. I think you should bring it to FAC; let me know when you do that; I'd be happy to assist. Congrats on some great work. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you! Though the majority of the thanks should go to User:Lady freyja, as this article is primarily a translation of their excellent article on the French Wikipedia. Morgan695 (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
• Regarding image use, as a note for whoever promotes this: File:Hagio Moto in 2008.jpg could be used for any of the hooks, with "(author Moto Hagio pictured)" added after the link to the article. File:Demian Erstausgabe.jpg could also be used for ALT1, if "the works of Hermann Hesse" is rephrased to "Demian by Hermann Hesse". Morgan695 (talk) 18:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Source not cited

This is given as a source, but it is not cited.

Hagio, Moto (2010). A Drunken Dream and Other Stories. Translated by Thorn, Rachel. Seattle: Fantagraphics Books. pp. XXIX-256. ISBN 978-1-60699-377-4. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFHagio2010.

-Graham Beards (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Graham Beards: I've collapsed the two references (the book itself and the actual chapter that is referenced) into a single reference. Morgan695 (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

F&f's List of references and their authors

I have made a list of all the articles I have been reading for the peer review. This list has some background on the authors, and also the Google Scholar Citation Index (the numbers of scholarly articles or books in which it has been cited.) Here they are:

• Midori Matsui, M. A. (Tokyo, English), M.A. (Princeton, Comparative Literature), Ph.D. (Princeton, Comparative Literature) -1995, Associate Professor of English, Tohuku University, Sendai, Japan, 1996- independent art critic. Specialties: Gender, Japanese-films, animation.(here)

• Matsui, Midori (2019) [1993], "Little girls were little boys: Displaced femininity in the representation of homosexuality in Japanese girls' comics", in Sneja Gunew (ed.), Feminism And The Politics Of Difference, Routledge: Taylor & Francis, pp. 177–, ISBN 978-0-429-71077-3 (Google Scholar Citation Index 82)

• Rachel Thorn (formerly Matt Thorn), M.A. University of Illinois, M.A. Columbia University, M.Phil Columbia University, Professor of Global Culture, Kyoto Seika University. Specialties: Cultural Anthropology, Manga Studies. (here)

• Thorn, Rachel (2005). "The Moto Hagio Interview". The Comics Journal. Seattle: Fantagraphics Books (269): 138. (Google Scholar Citation Index 11)

• James Welker, Ph. D. (University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, 2010.here). Professor in the Department of Cross-Cultural Studies at Kanagawa University in Yokohama, Japan.here Specialties: gender and sexuality in modern and contemporary Japan, cultural history.

• Welker, James (2015). "A Brief History of Shōnen'ai, Yaoi and Boys Love". In McLelland, Mark; Nagaike, Kazumi; Katsuhiko, Suganuma; Welker, James (eds.). Boys Love Manga and Beyond: History, Culture, and Community in Japan. Jackson: University Press of Mississippi. pp. 42–75. (Google Scholar Citation Index 41)
• Welker, James (2006). "Beautiful, Borrowed, and Bent: 'Boys' Love' as Girls' Love in Shôjo Manga". New Feminist Theories of Visual Culture. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. 31 (3): 841–870. (Google Scholar Citation Index 159)

• Deborah Shamoon, MA, University of Washington, Seattle, 1999; Ph.D., University of California, Berkeley in 2005, both in modern Japanese literature. Specialty: Japanese literature, film, and popular culture, particularly manga (comics) and animation.here

• Shamoon, Deborah (2020). "The Girl in the Whirlpool: Girls' Culture (Shōjo Bunka) in Tanizaki's Manji = 谷崎潤一郎の『卍』における少女文化". U.S.-Japan Women's Journal. 57 (1): 3–20. doi:10.1353/jwj.2020.0002 (Google Scholar Citation Index 0 (new publication)
• Shamoon, Deborah M. (2012), Passionate Friendship: The Aesthetics of Girl’s Culture in Japan, University of Hawaii Press, ISBN 978-0-8248-6111-7 (Google Scholar Citation Index 137)
• Shamoon, Deborah (2007). "Revolutionary Romance: The Rose of Versailles and the Transformation of Shojo Manga". Mechademia. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. 2: 3–17. doi:10.1353/mec.0.0009 (Google Scholar Citation Index 46)

• Hikari Hori, Ph. D. in Philosophy (with a concentration in gender and visual cultural studies), Gakushuin University, Tokyo, 2004. Associate Professor of Japanese Film and Visual Culture, East Asian Languages and Cultures, Columbia University (until 2016);here Assistant Professor Toyo University, Japan (2017-)here.

• Hori, Hikari (2013). "Tezuka, Shōjo Manga, and Hagio Moto". Mechademia. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. 8: 299–311. doi:10.1353/mec.2013.0012 (Google Scholar Citation Index 82)

• Nabuko Anan, Ph. D. (2009, Theatre and Performance Studies), -2017, Associate Professor Department of Cultures and Languages, Birbeck College, London; 2017- Professor, Department of Foreign Language Studies, Kansai University, Japan.

• Anan, Nobuko (2016). Contemporary Japanese Women's Theater and Visual Arts: Performing Girls' Aesthetics. London: Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-1-349-55706-6 (Google Scholar Citation Index 17)

• Kaoru Tamura, M. A. Washington University St. Louis. Graphics Designer, and Manga Scholar.(here)

• Tamura, Kaoru (2019). "When a Woman Betrays the Nation: an Analysis of Moto Hagio's The Heart of Thomas". Unpublished Master of Arts' Dissertation. St. Louis: Washington University. (Google Scholar Citation Index 0). Relatively new.

• Kathryn Hemman, M. A. (2009, University of Pennsylvania), Ph. D (2013, University of Pennsylvania), Research Associate and Lecturer, Japanese Studies, University of Pennsylvania.(here)

• Hemmann, Kathryn (2020), "Introduction: Interrogating the Text from the Wrong Perspective," in Hemmann, K, Manga Cultures and the Female Gaze, pages 1–16, Palgrave Macmillan: Springer Nature, ISBN 978-3-030-18095-9 (Google Scholar Citation Index 0) (New publication)
• Hemmann, Kathryn (2020), "The Maiden and the Witch: CLAMP’s Subversion of Female Character Tropes" in Hemmann, K, Manga Cultures and the Female Gaze, pages 48–Palgrave Macmillan: Springer Nature, ISBN 978-3-030-18095-9 (Google Scholar Citation Index 0 (New publication)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:00, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

HarvRef errors

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• Shamoon, Deborah (2007). "Revolutionary Romance: The Rose of Versailles and the Transformation of Shojo Manga". Mechademia. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. 2: 3–17. doi:10.1353/mec.0.0009. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFShamoon2007.
• Welker, James (2010). Transfiguring the female: women and girls engaging the transnational in late twentieth-century Japan. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; Department of East Asian Languages and Cultures; Ph.D. dissertation. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFWelker2010.

Just stating for posterity for anyone who might see this message that these errors have been resolved. Morgan695 (talk) 05:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)