Talk:Sugar Man

Requested move 15 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that the Marvel Comics character is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this name. The topic of how to rename the existing PRIMARYREDIRECT was not raised in the discussion, so I'm making the call to WP:BOLDly move it to Sugar Man (Marvel Comics). (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:07, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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Sugar Man (disambiguation) → Sugar Man – Sugar Man is currently a primary redirect to List of Marvel Comics characters: S#Sugar Man, which I don't believe is a justified primary topic. Move dabpage to base name. 162 etc. (talk) 06:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• Page views monthly [1]; from the clickstream archive:

Expand to see extended statistics

August '23

incoming page views 710 -> 308 (~43%)

• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S Sugar_Man_(song) other 22
• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S Searching_for_Sugar_Man other 10
• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 108
• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) Searching_for_Sugar_Man link 33
• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) Sugar_Man_(song) link 32
• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) Sixto_Rodriguez link 26
• clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) Main_Page other 10

September

incoming page views 387 -> 105 (~27%)

• clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 54

October

incoming page views 410 -> 101 (~25%)

• clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 40

November

incoming page views 427 -> 116 (~27%)

• clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 47

December

incoming page views 502 -> 115 (23%)

• clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Sugar_Man_(disambiguation) List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 55

So if there was a properly placed hatnote, I'd say that it looks like the default position of short-circuiting to the comics character works well in lower-traffic months as some 75% of readers don't click the hatnote, but when there's more interest people are looking for something else. But then I realized that the hatnote is on top of the list article, while the redirect has pointed to a section throughout this period. So we would need to fix that (done now), and this could well explain why readers weren't finding the hatnote link, because they had to do the unintuitive scroll all the way back to the top. --Joy (talk) 12:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• support page views [2] mass views [3] show there isn't a primary topic—blindlynx 15:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Blindlynx this isn't a correct representation of the references to "Sugar Man", because these terms aren't even mentioned in some of the linked articles, so they're actually violations of WP:DABMENTION. --Joy (talk) 17:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed a couple of the most egregious offenders in this regard. Either way, the total traffic for the Roy Orbison discography doesn't factor as a whole in the debate about what do people mean by "Sugar Man" because the latter song is just one small part of that. --Joy (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

  Either way the movie gets twice as many views as the character list. And Sixto Rodriguez is erroneously or otherwise referred to as 'sugar man' as well because of the movie—blindlynx 17:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yep, it makes sense to disambiguate, I'm just trying to make sure we don't introduce new issues along the way :) --Joy (talk) 15:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

  agreed! —blindlynx 16:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. No primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

post-move

https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Sugar_Man for February will show 264 incoming views, and outgoing clickstreams:

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

• Sugar_Man List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 158 (~60%)
• Sugar_Man Searching_for_Sugar_Man link 12 (~4.5%)
• total: 170

Any long tail is likely anonymized (<10). --Joy (talk) 20:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

In March, we saw 463 incoming views[4] and in turn

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

• Sugar_Man List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 285 (~61.5%)
• Sugar_Man Sugar_Man_(song) link 19 (~4.1%)
• Sugar_Man Searching_for_Sugar_Man link 11 (~2.4%)
• total: 315

--Joy (talk) 20:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In April, with 318 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv showed:

• Sugar_Man List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S other 194 (~61%)
• Sugar_Man Sugar_Man_(song) other 15
• total: 209 to 2 identified destinations

In May, with 267 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv showed:

• Sugar_Man List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters:_S link 182 (~68.2%)
• Sugar_Man Searching_for_Sugar_Man link 12
• total: 194 to 2 identified destinations

--Joy (talk) 06:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)