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Marriage or civil union?

The article reports: "On 20 February 2019, the Executive Yuan published a draft bill, entitled The Enforcement Act of Judicial Yuan Interpretation No. 748 ,which allows two persons of the same sex to create a permanent union of intimate and exclusive nature for the committed purpose of managing a life together to realise the equal protection of the freedom of marriage. It covers topics such as inheritance rights, medical rights, and adoption of the biological children of their partner. The draft bill will also set penalties for adultery and bigamy, similar to opposite-sex marriages. Due to the Referendum, the bill does not amend the Civil Code, but rather creates a separate law.[110] The bill was approved by the Executive Yuan on 21 February 2019 and then sent to the Legislative Yuan for passage, before taking effect by 24 May."

I am unsure that this is gender-neutral marriage. This sounds more like an Italian civil union or a formerly German life partnership giving all the rights of marriage but the name. Shouldn't marriage be in the marriage part of the civil code to say that we are talking about same-sex marriage? Any other opinions? Thanks Finedelledanze (talk) 15:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

-- I'm coloring Taiwan blue on the map, but this is s.t. you should bring up again if you have RS's. — kwami (talk) 08:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Media seem to be making a big thing of the fact that parliamentarians chose the option which allows for marriage, over the ones that didn't.. [1] - "Lawmakers on Friday comfortably passed part of a bill that would allow gay couples to enter into “exclusive permanent unions” and apply for marriage registration with government agencies." Jdcooper (talk) 11:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

The law dodges the word "marriage" as much as possible. However the law lets same-sex couples conduct "marriage registration" just like hetro marriage, and gives same-sex couples the exact same rights and responsibilities given to hetero marriage (except adoption). --Yel D'ohan (talk) 20:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Legal?

Hi @Ecpiandy:. Do you have any WP:RS that says the law has already gone into effect? Everything I've read in English and Chinese sources say that it will only go into effect on 24 May. I know the "first" same sex wedding was held on 18 May, but according to the sources I've read (e.g. [2][3]), it was only ceremonial and 24 May is still the date when it will become legal. Bennv3771 (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Re recent WP:NONRS WP:OR

Cyanmax added a unreliable source, not neutral (not WP:NPOV) and factually wrong info at Special:Diff/1230404681.
There's supposed to be no WP:BATTLEGROUND.

international-divorce.com is a private commercial company website, a law firm website, so it's 3rd party rather than authoritative ones such as primary sources government website or secondary sources Law journals. It seemed not only not-in-source/original research and WP:POV but also it's factually wrong about introduced a separate bill in the hopes that this would appease homophobic protesters

It's actually because Judicial Yuan (constitutional/supreme court) said every legal institutions cannot infringe/hurt on each other, Legislative Yuan can't ignore the referendum passed largely due to Christian groups lobbying, the passed referendum to ban/disallow same-sex marriage can't violate constitutional judicial review 748 (2017 1st order) to allow same-sex marriage. Here at zh:臺灣同性婚姻 全國性公民投票，其第10、12案通過，同性婚姻會以修改民法以外的其他立法形式讓釋字第748號釋憲案得以實現。司法院聲明依此立法原則所審議完成之法律，仍屬法律位階，不得牴觸憲法，亦不得牴觸具有相當憲法位階效力之司法院解釋。.

There is this JY (SC of Taiwan) mentioning aboved [4]. The only way is to pass a separate same-sex marriage law.

So it's actually to comply with the 2018 JY judicial review (2018 2nd order), not the not-in-source / WP:OR / WP:POV introduced a separate bill in the hopes that this would appease homophobic protesters

Ohh...just happened to see in Main article Same-sex marriage in Taiwan#2018 referendums there's existing statement with cited English Taipei Times source, On 29 November, the Judicial Yuan Secretary-General stated that the referendum results could not override the 2017 court ruling with cited source here [5].

Panda2024 was right to revert and remove the wrong source Cyanmax added Special:Diff/1230404681 in the main section, which is not-in-source / WP:OR / WP:POV. Except that, before that, Panda2024 re-introduce the same wrong source in the WP:LEDE lede section Special:Diff/1231636327, perhaps too much to focus. Other than this overlook, Panda2024 was right to change from Cyanmax WP:UNDUE WP:POV with WP:NONRS back into WP:NPOV (I tried to see again and again even though I'm total retinal detachment right eye bilnd and corneal erosion not-so-good vision on my left eye) --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 19:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Legislative process & WP:BATTLEGROUND

@Cyanmax:, this section is about legislative history, it's about draft early version of the bill. If you can't understand what this section (Legislative process) is about, plus in the midst of just adding info, had just leave formatting errors as it is, then you might want to see this WP:COMPETENT. Also this is about building encyclopedia, looking through your past history, and quarrel with almost everyone (which could drive people away instead of when in time giving advice or some help becuase they are afraid) it's look like you treating this as a WP:BATTLEGROUND. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cyanmax:, I saw you had self-revert, re-introduce, and re-self-revert your miscomprehension edit Special:Diff/1235307303 Special:Diff/1235309634, which is unnecessary, not only you hadn't own up your mistake, however you still quote in summary edit Calm down. The article literally says "the bill was approved (not rejected) by the Executive Yuan on 21 February 2019 and then sent to the Legislative Yuan for passage, before taking effect on 24 May". The official website of Taiwan government confirms this. Why don't you trust the government of Taiwan?.

@Cyanmax:, I don't understand what is the value of your inappropriate revert and self-revert without admitting your mistake, I can't understand the value of you trying to pick an unnesscary quarrel when you indeed have made a mistake. Apparently from past edit history you hadn't own up your mistake, not just quarrel with most of the editors. Wikipedia is not a WP:BATTLEGROUND. If you are here to pick a fight (henced not here WP:NOTHERE to build encyclopedia), then Wikipedia is just not for you. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 17:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Why do u keep changing the subject? First, u said I must use only Chinese sources in ENGLISH Wikipedia. Then u started blatantly lying that it's a draft bill. I aslo see u ransacked my edit history trying to find some kind of blackmail against me. Now u are making groundless accusations and also calling me incompetent. u mustn't get too personal. Be civil. I changed the wording because that's confirmed by the government of Taiwan. Did u even read [this]. u keep changing the subject again and again, absolutely ignoring the source. Stop ignoring the website of Taiwan goverment. Cyanmax (talk) 18:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1235297296 this sentence is actually at earlier version of the draft bill, not the successfully passed version as you stated in the summary edit, cited source english Focus Taiwan most importantly reputable Reuters and even citing opposition Pan-Blue Coalition media (UpMedia) zh:上報, albeit in Traditional Chinese however reminding again and again WP:NOENG non-english source is allowed

If you can't comprehend this (UpMedia) zh:上報, albeit in Traditional Chinese however reminding again and again WP:NOENG non-english source is allowed, or (Legislative Process) or WP:CIVIL or wikt:projection then take a look about this article WP:COMPETENT...as for rest of your behaviors....your edit history would do the talking....I'm too old (53) and have health issues to micro-detail these. Wikipedia is not a WP:BATTLEGROUND, and you might be block/ban for egregious edits & egregious behaviors. That is all I have to say. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This website which is owned by the Government of Taiwan states: Article 2 "Two persons of the same sex may form a permanent union of intimate and exclusive nature for the purpose of living a common life." Why are u lying? Why are u calling me incompetent and inappropriate? Why are u being rude? Why are u ransacking my edit history trying to find some kind of blackmail against me? Why are u making groundless accusations? Why are u playing whataboutism? Why are u changing the subject again and again? Why are u ignoring the source? Cyanmax (talk) 19:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Laws & Regulations Database of Taiwan

This website which is owned by the Government of Taiwan states: Article 2: "Two persons of the same sex may form a permanent union of intimate and exclusive nature for the purpose of living a common life." I changed the wording because I provided a reliable source, which is literally the website of Taiwan government. Cyanmax (talk) 19:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The final law is and should be at (Approval by the Legislative Yuan) section while that your edits are on the (Legislative process) section, a history of bill versions and process timeline.

You had already written all your miscomprehension (and affecting WP:COMPETENT) and projections just now here openly.

Wikipedia isn't a WP:BATTLEGROUND please. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)