Talk:Rome Ciampino Airport

Requested move 1 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There seems to be broad consensus for some moves, with what I sense as a slight consensus in favour of:

• Ciampino–G. B. Pastine International Airport → Rome Ciampino Airport
• Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport → Rome Fiumicino Airport
• Orio al Serio International Airport → Milan Bergamo Airport
• Falcone Borsellino Airport → Palermo Airport

If anyone wants to get more specific and argue for a slightly different variant on any of these (with/without dashes, with/without International etc), then that can be the subject of a fresh RM.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:24, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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• Ciampino–G. B. Pastine International Airport → Rome–Ciampino International Airport
• Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport → Rome–Fiumicino Airport
• Orio al Serio International Airport → Milan Bergamo Airport
• Falcone Borsellino Airport → Palermo Airport

– Currently, we're inconsistent in naming airports in Italy. Most of them have the city name with a designation if necessary to distinguish, or at least start with the city name then the airport's name. For example: Milan Malpensa Airport, Alghero–Fertilia Airport, Bolzano Airport, Bologna Guglielmo Marconi Airport, Abruzzo Airport, etc. despite all technically having different official names. Changing the names would align them with what the airports are generally referred to in reliable sources we reference. For example, in the case of Rome, see even the airport's official website which refers to Rome Fiumicino and Rome Ciampino. The difference in search interest between da Vinci Airport and Rome Fiumicino is also overwhelming on Google Trends (not perfect but the margin in Italy is dramatic). That's not to mention that "Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport" is clunky (if we want to keep da Vinci, shouldn't it be Rome-Fiumicino Leonardo da Vinci", "Fiumicino Leonardo da Vinci" or "Rome Leonardo da Vinci"? However, I think the best solution, for both consistency with other Italian airports and common usage reasons, all of these airports should be renamed. Avgeekamfot (talk) 21:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 16:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 06:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose to renaming Federico Fellini International Airport to Rimini and San Marino Airport. My comments only concern Federico Fellini International Airport. I'm currently working on an edit to its history section; you can see my progress in my sandbox. As the sources in the reflist indicate, local sources usually call the airport "Fellini Airport" or simply "Fellini", though most airlines will advertise that they're flying to Rimini (obviously). "Rimini and San Marino" is, though official, comparatively recent (the terminal sign was only changed in 2018) and rarely used in sources as the airport's name, even in Sammarinese sources. To show that this isn't just a historical thing, the management company's press releases also usually use "Rimini" or "Fellini" in their headlines; "Rimini and San Marino" is less common. Finally, in its statistics releases, the Italian civil aviation authority still lists the airport as "Rimini Miramare".

So, per WP:COMMONNAME, to agree with sources, I recommend that the article keeps "Fellini" in some form. It could stay as "Federico Fellini International Airport", change to "Rimini Federico Fellini International Airport", or change to "Rimini and San Marino Federico Fellini International Airport". I'm not convinced by "Rimini and San Marino Airport", which is, in my experience of the sources, the least-used option, even if it is official. I appreciate the desire for consistency, but in Rimini's case, I think it would lead to the article bearing a less-used name for the airport than the current title, but not having "Rimini" in the article title is a significant omission. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's a Google Trends chart, showing "Rimini Airport" top, then "San Marino Airport", then "Fellini Airport". "Rimini and San Marino Airport" doesn't have sufficient data to register. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I've removed Rimini from this proposal which I hope is ok since you're the only participant so far and it's an adjustment to reflect your comments. I was a bit iffy about that one and I think given that this is a group move request, it makes sense to limit it to straightforward examples. I do think it's preferable to have Rimini (and perhaps San Marino) in the name but that's probably its own discussion. Avgeekamfot (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Copied this to the Talk:Marche_Airport, recommend removal

 * Comment If this proposal is part of a broader effort to reassess article titles for Italian airports, could I also highlight that I had similar concerns about Marche Airport, which I came across recently.  I've not seen "Marche Airport" outside of Wikipedia and am much more used to "Ancona" or "Falconara", which is what the Italian-language Wikipedia still calls it. Editor Jbarthel moved Ancona Falconara Airport to Marche Airport back in April 2016. If WP:COMMONNAME ends up influencing the decisions here, interested editors may consider proposing that the article be renamed back to Ancona Falconara Airport. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
   * Comment On Marche I sure agree to rename "back". Upon your comment I reached out to the airport and received the following statement (shortened): "I confirm that the name of the airport has changed once again: after Aerdorica was bought by a foreign fund at the beginning of 2020, its name changed into Ancona International Airport. As far as the airport name is concerned, it changed from Aeroporto delle Marche into Aeroporto di Ancona-Falconara." Jbarthel (talk) 09:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 **I agree with that and would support such a proposal. My issue is mostly that the airport names are currently an inconsistent mess so wanted to tackle the low-hanging fruit. Avgeekamfot (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks so much for your replies and understanding, @Avgeekamfot: The other thing that strikes me is about "International"; maybe Rome-Ciampino need not have "International" in its new name as per your original suggestion, much like Fellini probably doesn't need it! Anyway, by chance, I came across this page on the Italian-language Wikipedia, discussing airport naming conventions; the talk page has a relevant discussion where I think the accepted convention was to go for "*city* *locality* Airport". IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to attract facilitate greater participation for this multiple page move request Polyamorph (talk) 16:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Aviation has been notified of this discussion. Polyamorph (talk) 17:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Italy has been notified of this discussion. Polyamorph (talk) 17:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Final relist; more comments would be beneficial in assessing consensus of this multi-move request BilledMammal (talk) 06:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Why the dashes in "Rome–Ciampino" and "Rome–Fiumicino" when there are none in Milan Malpensa Airport, Venice Marco Polo Airport and so on? I see that the Italian names have either hyphens or dashes in all these cases, but on the English Wikipedia the dashes read like an application of MOS:ENBETWEEN. I would support Rome Fiumicino Airport. Rome Ciampino Airport seems preferable to Rome Ciampino International Airport, per IgnatiusofLondon above. Ham II (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  I am fine with all of these suggestions being incorporated when the discussion is closed. My dash usage does seem out of place and removing International is fine with me. Avgeekamfot (talk) 18:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. I've just found the page Rome–Fiumicino railway, which illustrates my point about MOS:ENBETWEEN: the dash there is justified because it does indeed mean "between Rome and Fiumicino", which would not be the case for Rome–Fiumicino Airport. I also support Milan Bergamo Airport and Palermo Airport. Ham II (talk) 09:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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